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While French may have gender English does not. This attempt to add gender when it doesn't exist is sexist. In every usage I have ever seen or heard there has never been a gender distinction. Sure I use blonde and I see blond occasionally but never has the distinction been other than local usage, laziness or America vs England. It is not gender based no matter what is used in France.
If you compare blond to blonde usage in American English, Blond is used half as often as Blonde. In England it is equal. Search Blond in books on Google and you get both male and female usage. If you search Blonde you get both used. Yes more Blondes are female but plenty are male. Blonde looks more feminine but it is not exclusively so. https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=blond%2Cblonde&year_start=1800&year_end=2000&corpus=17&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2Cblond%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Cblonde%3B%2Cc0
Please fix this. Blond (male), blonde (female) should be removed.
Ireland is a predominantly light-haired country! 36% have dark brown and darker hair, 31% have light brown hair, 10% have red hair, 23% have blonde hair mainly of golden shades. This translate that 64% have light hair (non-dark brown/black) is similar to that of Northern Germany. Furthermore more than 80% of Irish have blue or green eyes and 76% have very fair skin types (I/II). They are palest-skinned of all Europeans.
@ Editguy111: point out which specific text in Buddhacharita claims Brahmins were blonde and blue eyed.
@ Joshua Jonathan: can you address this issue? you have more knowledge about Buddhist texts. His source is from rather controversial figure Gendün Chöphel, who is not a historian.
What's the percentage of light brown/blond hair in Britain? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nero011 ( talk • contribs) 10:58, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
As blond hair tends to turn brunette with age, natural blond hair is rare. Natural blond hair is rare in adulthood, with claims of the world's population ranging from 2% naturally blond[35][self-published source] to 16 percent.[36]
I have searched and searched and cannot find a single source other than the article cited on this entry that shows up to 16% of the world being naturally blond in adulthood. Sixxgirl77 ( talk) 17:07, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
Since this article is about blond, I think the map should be removed; light brown counts as brown. Melaneas ( talk) 18:06, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
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I never thought I would be saying this, but this article clearly has way to many pictures of classical sculptures and paintings depicting blonds. There are thirteen rows of pictures. Over half the article is a photo gallery. I will be clearing out some of the less notable depictions and depictions where the blond hair is not clearly visible or easily discernable to the naked eye. -- Katolophyromai ( talk) 22:13, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
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Where it says "From the times of the Russian Tsardom of the 17th century through the Soviet Union rule in the 20th century, many ethnic Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians, Lithuanians, Latvians, Estonians, Poles, and Germans were settled in or exiled en masse to Siberia and Central Asia." please remove Ukrainians from the list. Why? Because Ukrainians are never blond/e. The only white people (w/ red, brown, blond/e hair that is) you may have seen whose nationality happens to be "Ukrainian" are either Poles, Russians, Hungarians, Jews or even Tatars. Ukrainians are descended from Turkic tribes, such as Cumans, Torks, Berendeis and Pechenegs, which were all brunet/te/s and of Mongoloid race. After the Holodomor many Russians were moved into Ukraine in order to replace the ones Stalin starved to death. Therefore all the blondes you see in Ukraine are not ethnically Ukrainian. You can see plenty of white people in Africa, for example, due to European colonialism, but that doesn't mean the minority of Caucasian settlers represent the entirety of the continent. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.134.31.86 ( talk • contribs)
"an idea I've come across before when listening to rabid Russian nationalists" I would actually argue that it was the Russian nationalists (read: imperialists) who invented this pan-Slavist racial ideology. The hypothesis suggesting the Chinese (Taklamakan Desert) origins of modern-day Ukrainians actually seems more grounded in reality than the fascist myth about Vikings/Scythians/Aryans and whatnot stormfront kiddies like you love sperging out whenever there's a discussion on the Internet about race, "white people" or an "International Jewish/Zionist NWO conspiracy". -- 212.111.202.6 ( talk) 09:58, 17 October 2017 (UTC) I know what I look like. I can easily tell the difference between an ethnic Ukrainian and Russian invaders from the north. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.134.31.86 ( talk • contribs)
You're not a real historian. Your diploma is fake. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.8.50.48 ( talk) 21:45, 18 November 2017 (UTC) |
It could be usefully explained that the perception of blondism is affected by the incidence of paler hair found in any population. Someone perceived as being blond in Tunisia might be described as brown-haired in Finland. Urselius ( talk) 10:02, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
In the section about Marilyn one should say, that in reality she was not naturally blonde, but dyed (like many other stars: Marlene Dietrich, Catherine Deneuve, Madonna...). Greetings,-- Marie Adelaide ( talk) 13:53, 28 April 2018 (UTC) Catherine Deneuve is a natural blonde. -- 212.111.202.6 ( talk) 11:54, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
This article makes a mistake in the blond hair in Asia section:
"Genetic research published in 2014, 2015 and 2016 found that Yamnaya Proto-Indo-Europeans, who migrated to Europe in the early Bronze Age were overwhelmingly dark-eyed (brown) and dark-haired, and had a skin colour that was moderately light, though somewhat darker than that of the average modern European.[34] While light pigmentation traits had already existed in pre-Indo-European Europeans (both farmers and hunter-gatherers), long-standing philological attempts to correlate them with the arrival of Indo-Europeans from the steppes were misguided.[35]
According to genetic studies, Yamnaya Proto-Indo-European migration to Europe led to Corded Ware culture, where Yamnaya Proto-Indo-Europeans mixed with "Scandinavian hunter-gatherer" women who carried genetic alleles HERC2/OCA2, which causes combination of blue eyes and blond hair.[56][57][33]"
First of all, the Yamna people are completely irrelevant here. There is new genetic evidence placing blond hair in central Asia prior to the existence of the Yamna people of the European steppe:
/info/en/?search=Afontova_Gora#Afontova_Gora_3
>Phenotypic analysis shows that Afontova Gora 3 carries the derived rs12821256 allele associated with blond hair color in Europeans, making Afontova Gora 3 the earliest individual known to carry this derived allele.[15]
So the oldest population in the world that was blond was from central Asia, not Scandinavia. It is now generally agreed upon that Scandinavian Hunter Gatheres had blond hair because they had admixture from Eastern Hunter Gatherers or Ancient North Eurasians.
This section of the article should mention the fact that the oldest evidence of blond hair anywhere in the world is found in central Asia not Europe, and that Scandinavian hunter gatherers likely inherited their blond hair from steppe populations. The blond hair gene in Europeans originated in the Ancient North Eurasians.
http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2017/05/european-blond-hair-may-have-originated.html
"The derived allele of the KITLG SNP rs12821256 that is associated with – and likely causal for – blond hair in Europeans [4,5] is present in one hunter-gatherer from each of Samara, Motala and Ukraine (I0124, I0014 and I1763), as well as several later individuals with Steppe ancestry. Since the allele is found in populations with EHG but not WHG ancestry, it suggests that its origin is in the Ancient North Eurasian (ANE) population. Consistent with this, we observe that earliest known individual with the derived allele is the [Siberian] ANE individual Afontova Gora 3 which is directly dated to 16130-15749 cal BCE (14710±60 BP, MAMS-27186: a previously unpublished date that we newly report here)."
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Ukrainian people are not white. I just want you to know that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.90.230.250 ( talk) 10:26, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
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Everybody knows that Ancient Egyptians were brown and the Byzantine Greeks were not real white people anyway. Enough with this Nazi horseshit already! Alright?! -- 81.90.230.250 ( talk) 12:37, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
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... then move the goddamn thing into the RED HAIR Wikipedia page then! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.90.230.250 ( talk) 10:56, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
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Which of these images seems best for the lead? -- Katolophyromai ( talk) 18:14, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
I have dug back through the entire history of this article and brought back all the previous lead images since 2007 that have been used for extended periods of time as possible options, in addition to the ones discussed above. Here they all are:
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also do find the child image unsavory, then that's rather my position also. —SerialNumber54129 paranoia / cheap sh*t room 12:08, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
Results. NICHOLAS NEEDLEHAM ( talk) 16:10, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
Assigning 3 marks for first choice, 2 for second choice and 1 for third choice results in:
It looks like Option C has the strongest support, judging from NICHOLAS NEEDLEHAM's tally above. -- Katolophyromai ( talk) 16:47, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
Note: File:Lucy Merriam.jpg is still in the Child model and Human hair color articles, and on various Wikipedias. I would hope that NICHOLAS NEEDLEHAM doesn't try to remove this WP:Featured image from all of those as well. What happens here does not mean that other articles or other Wikipedias must follow. They need not follow the odd reasoning here for excluding the image as a lead image. Furthermore, the image not being used for the lead of this article does not mean it cannot be used lower in the article. Indeed, since I'm comparing Wikipedias at the moment, I will also add that the image is used as the lead image or lower in the article at different Wikipedias. Flyer22 Reborn ( talk) 17:38, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
@ PericlesofAthens: I appreciate that you are trying to help by adding information to this article, but a person merely having blond hair does not make them warrant mention in this article. In order for a person to warrant mention in this article, that person must have significantly influenced perceptions of blond hair within his or her respective culture. Just having blond hair is not enough. So, for instance, you recently added mention of Sulla having blond hair. That would be noteworthy information to include in the article Sulla, but, unless Sulla completely revolutionized ancient Roman perceptions of blond hair (which I am pretty sure he did not), there is no good reason why we should talk about him in this article. Quite simply, we cannot possibly try to list every famous historical figure who happened to have blond hair. If we tried to do that, this article would be over a million kilobytes long and completely unreadable. I have left some of the others you added. I left Alexander the Great, for instance, because, while the sentence in the article does not make this clear, I could totally believe that Alexander the Great having blond hair would have made blond hair more popular. (After all, he popularized going clean-shaven.) I also left the mention of Lucius Verus because, while I am not convinced that he widely shaped Roman perceptions of blond hair, the famous story about him sprinkling his hair with gold dust does, I think, tell us something about what the Romans thought about blond hair. -- Katolophyromai ( talk) 02:16, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
"Blond hair, blonde hair, or fair hair (diverted from the French words "blond" and "blonde" for someone with a hair color resembling yellow) is a [[human hair color|hair color]] caused by very little [[pigment]] in [[melanin|eumelanin]]. Though the word has no exact translation in [[French language|French]], it might have developed from the French word "blanc" meaning white, or "blanche" for the feminine version of the word "white". Like the French language, it is spelled without the "e" for "blond" for a male and "blonde" for a female; due to the silent "e" making a word a feminine noun in the French language." for the beginning means nice to me. <3 ;) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.68.1.126 ( talk) 20:49, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
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This partial sentence caught my eye:
"...and is believed to have evolved to enable more efficient synthesis of vitamin D..."
Now, this is why we think northern Europeans lost most of their skin pigmentation - since that is where we synthesize vitamin D.
But not so much in the hair. It's dead, right?
So this needs more clarification if it is to remain - for instance, that the lower levels of skin pigment tended to reduce the levels of hair pigment as a by-product. Or just leave it out.
Huw Powell ( talk) 01:47, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
It is said in the article that Aphrodite hair color is blond. In some of the roman frescoes, Venus/Aphrodite it's depicted as brunette and generally as brown-haired. But this article shows only two images of Aphrodite/Venus as blonde, in which one it seems that it's just gold plaqued hair (Aphrodite was assosiaced with the color red, white and gold). It is backed up by greek and roman sources or it's just popular depiction? Another thing: It is said that "In human culture, blond hair has long been associated with female beauty". I don't think that asians, africans and native americans culture associate blondness with beauty. Simply because it's almost non existent (if non existent at all) in those regions. Except for the indo-iranians in central Asia. Thank you for your time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kleistinos ( talk • contribs) 15:37, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
English Wikipedia has an unfortunate tendency to turn short, comprehensible and cohesive articles into overly long and complicated ones.
The section on racism and eugenics is long and tendentious - this violates due weight rules - articles on hair should be on hair, not spend multiple paragraphs on a long and tendentious diatribe about whether modern scholars accept concepts of "race". This is a clear coatrack of one issue into an article about hair color.
The Maureen Ryan book is a collection of anecdotes published by a scientific publisher - anecdotes are one form of biased source. Also note from the book title that this is not a book on hair - the wikipedia editor has cherrypicked sections to suit their tendentious argumentation.
I'm going to cut down on this section on sentences unrelated to hair color. -- Callinus ( talk) 11:52, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
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Please change the following sentence: In human culture, blond hair has long been associated with female beauty. Aphrodite, the Greek goddess of love and beauty, was reputed to have blond hair.
To new proposed content In western culture, blond hair has long been associated with female beauty. Aphrodite, the Greek goddess of love and beauty, was reputed to have blond hair.
The remainder of the paragraph goes on to list numerous European cultures that revere blonde hair, to the exclusion of the rest of the world. Offers euro-centric point of view as humanity-wide. 2620:149:E0:5002:0:0:0:14E ( talk) 17:36, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
Before Madonna released True Blue, there was the album Blondes Have More Fun by Rod Stewart. Should this be added? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.25.190.226 ( talk) 07:51, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
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While French may have gender English does not. This attempt to add gender when it doesn't exist is sexist. In every usage I have ever seen or heard there has never been a gender distinction. Sure I use blonde and I see blond occasionally but never has the distinction been other than local usage, laziness or America vs England. It is not gender based no matter what is used in France.
If you compare blond to blonde usage in American English, Blond is used half as often as Blonde. In England it is equal. Search Blond in books on Google and you get both male and female usage. If you search Blonde you get both used. Yes more Blondes are female but plenty are male. Blonde looks more feminine but it is not exclusively so. https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=blond%2Cblonde&year_start=1800&year_end=2000&corpus=17&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2Cblond%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Cblonde%3B%2Cc0
Please fix this. Blond (male), blonde (female) should be removed.
Ireland is a predominantly light-haired country! 36% have dark brown and darker hair, 31% have light brown hair, 10% have red hair, 23% have blonde hair mainly of golden shades. This translate that 64% have light hair (non-dark brown/black) is similar to that of Northern Germany. Furthermore more than 80% of Irish have blue or green eyes and 76% have very fair skin types (I/II). They are palest-skinned of all Europeans.
@ Editguy111: point out which specific text in Buddhacharita claims Brahmins were blonde and blue eyed.
@ Joshua Jonathan: can you address this issue? you have more knowledge about Buddhist texts. His source is from rather controversial figure Gendün Chöphel, who is not a historian.
What's the percentage of light brown/blond hair in Britain? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nero011 ( talk • contribs) 10:58, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
As blond hair tends to turn brunette with age, natural blond hair is rare. Natural blond hair is rare in adulthood, with claims of the world's population ranging from 2% naturally blond[35][self-published source] to 16 percent.[36]
I have searched and searched and cannot find a single source other than the article cited on this entry that shows up to 16% of the world being naturally blond in adulthood. Sixxgirl77 ( talk) 17:07, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
Since this article is about blond, I think the map should be removed; light brown counts as brown. Melaneas ( talk) 18:06, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
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I never thought I would be saying this, but this article clearly has way to many pictures of classical sculptures and paintings depicting blonds. There are thirteen rows of pictures. Over half the article is a photo gallery. I will be clearing out some of the less notable depictions and depictions where the blond hair is not clearly visible or easily discernable to the naked eye. -- Katolophyromai ( talk) 22:13, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
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Where it says "From the times of the Russian Tsardom of the 17th century through the Soviet Union rule in the 20th century, many ethnic Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians, Lithuanians, Latvians, Estonians, Poles, and Germans were settled in or exiled en masse to Siberia and Central Asia." please remove Ukrainians from the list. Why? Because Ukrainians are never blond/e. The only white people (w/ red, brown, blond/e hair that is) you may have seen whose nationality happens to be "Ukrainian" are either Poles, Russians, Hungarians, Jews or even Tatars. Ukrainians are descended from Turkic tribes, such as Cumans, Torks, Berendeis and Pechenegs, which were all brunet/te/s and of Mongoloid race. After the Holodomor many Russians were moved into Ukraine in order to replace the ones Stalin starved to death. Therefore all the blondes you see in Ukraine are not ethnically Ukrainian. You can see plenty of white people in Africa, for example, due to European colonialism, but that doesn't mean the minority of Caucasian settlers represent the entirety of the continent. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.134.31.86 ( talk • contribs)
"an idea I've come across before when listening to rabid Russian nationalists" I would actually argue that it was the Russian nationalists (read: imperialists) who invented this pan-Slavist racial ideology. The hypothesis suggesting the Chinese (Taklamakan Desert) origins of modern-day Ukrainians actually seems more grounded in reality than the fascist myth about Vikings/Scythians/Aryans and whatnot stormfront kiddies like you love sperging out whenever there's a discussion on the Internet about race, "white people" or an "International Jewish/Zionist NWO conspiracy". -- 212.111.202.6 ( talk) 09:58, 17 October 2017 (UTC) I know what I look like. I can easily tell the difference between an ethnic Ukrainian and Russian invaders from the north. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.134.31.86 ( talk • contribs)
You're not a real historian. Your diploma is fake. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.8.50.48 ( talk) 21:45, 18 November 2017 (UTC) |
It could be usefully explained that the perception of blondism is affected by the incidence of paler hair found in any population. Someone perceived as being blond in Tunisia might be described as brown-haired in Finland. Urselius ( talk) 10:02, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
In the section about Marilyn one should say, that in reality she was not naturally blonde, but dyed (like many other stars: Marlene Dietrich, Catherine Deneuve, Madonna...). Greetings,-- Marie Adelaide ( talk) 13:53, 28 April 2018 (UTC) Catherine Deneuve is a natural blonde. -- 212.111.202.6 ( talk) 11:54, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
This article makes a mistake in the blond hair in Asia section:
"Genetic research published in 2014, 2015 and 2016 found that Yamnaya Proto-Indo-Europeans, who migrated to Europe in the early Bronze Age were overwhelmingly dark-eyed (brown) and dark-haired, and had a skin colour that was moderately light, though somewhat darker than that of the average modern European.[34] While light pigmentation traits had already existed in pre-Indo-European Europeans (both farmers and hunter-gatherers), long-standing philological attempts to correlate them with the arrival of Indo-Europeans from the steppes were misguided.[35]
According to genetic studies, Yamnaya Proto-Indo-European migration to Europe led to Corded Ware culture, where Yamnaya Proto-Indo-Europeans mixed with "Scandinavian hunter-gatherer" women who carried genetic alleles HERC2/OCA2, which causes combination of blue eyes and blond hair.[56][57][33]"
First of all, the Yamna people are completely irrelevant here. There is new genetic evidence placing blond hair in central Asia prior to the existence of the Yamna people of the European steppe:
/info/en/?search=Afontova_Gora#Afontova_Gora_3
>Phenotypic analysis shows that Afontova Gora 3 carries the derived rs12821256 allele associated with blond hair color in Europeans, making Afontova Gora 3 the earliest individual known to carry this derived allele.[15]
So the oldest population in the world that was blond was from central Asia, not Scandinavia. It is now generally agreed upon that Scandinavian Hunter Gatheres had blond hair because they had admixture from Eastern Hunter Gatherers or Ancient North Eurasians.
This section of the article should mention the fact that the oldest evidence of blond hair anywhere in the world is found in central Asia not Europe, and that Scandinavian hunter gatherers likely inherited their blond hair from steppe populations. The blond hair gene in Europeans originated in the Ancient North Eurasians.
http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2017/05/european-blond-hair-may-have-originated.html
"The derived allele of the KITLG SNP rs12821256 that is associated with – and likely causal for – blond hair in Europeans [4,5] is present in one hunter-gatherer from each of Samara, Motala and Ukraine (I0124, I0014 and I1763), as well as several later individuals with Steppe ancestry. Since the allele is found in populations with EHG but not WHG ancestry, it suggests that its origin is in the Ancient North Eurasian (ANE) population. Consistent with this, we observe that earliest known individual with the derived allele is the [Siberian] ANE individual Afontova Gora 3 which is directly dated to 16130-15749 cal BCE (14710±60 BP, MAMS-27186: a previously unpublished date that we newly report here)."
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Ukrainian people are not white. I just want you to know that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.90.230.250 ( talk) 10:26, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
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Everybody knows that Ancient Egyptians were brown and the Byzantine Greeks were not real white people anyway. Enough with this Nazi horseshit already! Alright?! -- 81.90.230.250 ( talk) 12:37, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
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... then move the goddamn thing into the RED HAIR Wikipedia page then! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.90.230.250 ( talk) 10:56, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
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Which of these images seems best for the lead? -- Katolophyromai ( talk) 18:14, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
I have dug back through the entire history of this article and brought back all the previous lead images since 2007 that have been used for extended periods of time as possible options, in addition to the ones discussed above. Here they all are:
Other users are welcome to offer additional proposals if they believe they are necessary. For the poll below, I recommend listing one's top three choices in ranked order, so we know which images generally tend to be favored. --
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also do find the child image unsavory, then that's rather my position also. —SerialNumber54129 paranoia / cheap sh*t room 12:08, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
Results. NICHOLAS NEEDLEHAM ( talk) 16:10, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
Assigning 3 marks for first choice, 2 for second choice and 1 for third choice results in:
It looks like Option C has the strongest support, judging from NICHOLAS NEEDLEHAM's tally above. -- Katolophyromai ( talk) 16:47, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
Note: File:Lucy Merriam.jpg is still in the Child model and Human hair color articles, and on various Wikipedias. I would hope that NICHOLAS NEEDLEHAM doesn't try to remove this WP:Featured image from all of those as well. What happens here does not mean that other articles or other Wikipedias must follow. They need not follow the odd reasoning here for excluding the image as a lead image. Furthermore, the image not being used for the lead of this article does not mean it cannot be used lower in the article. Indeed, since I'm comparing Wikipedias at the moment, I will also add that the image is used as the lead image or lower in the article at different Wikipedias. Flyer22 Reborn ( talk) 17:38, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
@ PericlesofAthens: I appreciate that you are trying to help by adding information to this article, but a person merely having blond hair does not make them warrant mention in this article. In order for a person to warrant mention in this article, that person must have significantly influenced perceptions of blond hair within his or her respective culture. Just having blond hair is not enough. So, for instance, you recently added mention of Sulla having blond hair. That would be noteworthy information to include in the article Sulla, but, unless Sulla completely revolutionized ancient Roman perceptions of blond hair (which I am pretty sure he did not), there is no good reason why we should talk about him in this article. Quite simply, we cannot possibly try to list every famous historical figure who happened to have blond hair. If we tried to do that, this article would be over a million kilobytes long and completely unreadable. I have left some of the others you added. I left Alexander the Great, for instance, because, while the sentence in the article does not make this clear, I could totally believe that Alexander the Great having blond hair would have made blond hair more popular. (After all, he popularized going clean-shaven.) I also left the mention of Lucius Verus because, while I am not convinced that he widely shaped Roman perceptions of blond hair, the famous story about him sprinkling his hair with gold dust does, I think, tell us something about what the Romans thought about blond hair. -- Katolophyromai ( talk) 02:16, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
"Blond hair, blonde hair, or fair hair (diverted from the French words "blond" and "blonde" for someone with a hair color resembling yellow) is a [[human hair color|hair color]] caused by very little [[pigment]] in [[melanin|eumelanin]]. Though the word has no exact translation in [[French language|French]], it might have developed from the French word "blanc" meaning white, or "blanche" for the feminine version of the word "white". Like the French language, it is spelled without the "e" for "blond" for a male and "blonde" for a female; due to the silent "e" making a word a feminine noun in the French language." for the beginning means nice to me. <3 ;) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.68.1.126 ( talk) 20:49, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
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This partial sentence caught my eye:
"...and is believed to have evolved to enable more efficient synthesis of vitamin D..."
Now, this is why we think northern Europeans lost most of their skin pigmentation - since that is where we synthesize vitamin D.
But not so much in the hair. It's dead, right?
So this needs more clarification if it is to remain - for instance, that the lower levels of skin pigment tended to reduce the levels of hair pigment as a by-product. Or just leave it out.
Huw Powell ( talk) 01:47, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
It is said in the article that Aphrodite hair color is blond. In some of the roman frescoes, Venus/Aphrodite it's depicted as brunette and generally as brown-haired. But this article shows only two images of Aphrodite/Venus as blonde, in which one it seems that it's just gold plaqued hair (Aphrodite was assosiaced with the color red, white and gold). It is backed up by greek and roman sources or it's just popular depiction? Another thing: It is said that "In human culture, blond hair has long been associated with female beauty". I don't think that asians, africans and native americans culture associate blondness with beauty. Simply because it's almost non existent (if non existent at all) in those regions. Except for the indo-iranians in central Asia. Thank you for your time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kleistinos ( talk • contribs) 15:37, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
English Wikipedia has an unfortunate tendency to turn short, comprehensible and cohesive articles into overly long and complicated ones.
The section on racism and eugenics is long and tendentious - this violates due weight rules - articles on hair should be on hair, not spend multiple paragraphs on a long and tendentious diatribe about whether modern scholars accept concepts of "race". This is a clear coatrack of one issue into an article about hair color.
The Maureen Ryan book is a collection of anecdotes published by a scientific publisher - anecdotes are one form of biased source. Also note from the book title that this is not a book on hair - the wikipedia editor has cherrypicked sections to suit their tendentious argumentation.
I'm going to cut down on this section on sentences unrelated to hair color. -- Callinus ( talk) 11:52, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
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Please change the following sentence: In human culture, blond hair has long been associated with female beauty. Aphrodite, the Greek goddess of love and beauty, was reputed to have blond hair.
To new proposed content In western culture, blond hair has long been associated with female beauty. Aphrodite, the Greek goddess of love and beauty, was reputed to have blond hair.
The remainder of the paragraph goes on to list numerous European cultures that revere blonde hair, to the exclusion of the rest of the world. Offers euro-centric point of view as humanity-wide. 2620:149:E0:5002:0:0:0:14E ( talk) 17:36, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
Before Madonna released True Blue, there was the album Blondes Have More Fun by Rod Stewart. Should this be added? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.25.190.226 ( talk) 07:51, 16 June 2019 (UTC)