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This article properly belongs at Chalkboard. The name blackboard is a misnomer because they are commonly dark green. 66.32.142.216 23:07, 19 May 2004 (UTC)
The problem for me with redirecting the blackboard page to chalkboard is that I can't see how to include a link to AI blackboards (which are definitely not called chalkboards). There is already a Wikipedia entry for AI blackboards (see Blackboard (computing)), but searching under "blackboard" does not currently find it. How do we fix this? Santaclaus 11:53, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
I agree that this page ought to be a disambiguation page. Blackboard technology was a major AI thrust and will continue to be of use. For instance, see KBE as an example.
The scratching of fingernails on a blackboard is a sound that is well-known for being extremely irritating.
It would be nice to add some psychological/physical information explaining what in the nature of this sound make it so irritating. SaintCahier 01:31, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
Reference added to BBTech as reminder of the history of and future use of this type of system. My thought is that Blackboard ought to be a disambiguation page. (jmswtlk)
indeed or whether it is even a valid point must be questioned. The point seems to to be mere opinion without any supporting evidence. —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
87.232.36.109 (
talk)
20:54, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
Maybe someone knows why chalkboards are especially being used in science&math disciplines (over whiteboards or whatever)? 85.65.54.142 12:22, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
I'm no expert, so I ask others to contribute along these lines. I came to this article looking to learn:
How is modern-day chalk made, and along those lines, how is the dye added? Alvis 03:56, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Why is yellow chalk so common? Cstaffa 02:10, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, and why is so many white? And also, maybe seeing as this article is so small, maybe it can merge with chalk?-- Nick54321blastoff ( talk) 10:49, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
Google:
Blackboard:
18,200,000 hits
Chalkboard:
3,460,000 hits
Yes yes, the Google test is not always a great indicator of what should be used (an argument I have used myself before), but that's only if there are other factors to consider. This is quite clear cut. Should be moved! Opinions, anyone? EuroSong talk 11:26, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
I almost always hear people calling them blackboards in the UK, almost never chalkboards, although anyone would understand you if you used either. -- Tango 17:48, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm from Canada, and I've always heard them refered to as blackboards. I had never encountered the term "chalkboard" until I looked for the Wikipedia article for "blackboard" and found the reference to "chalkboard" on the disambiguation page. I'm guessing "chalkboard" is used in the US and "blackboard" in the Commonwealth. AlexPlante ( talk) 09:06, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
Would it be worth noting that in the UK, possibly other English speaking countries I'm not sure, it is considered politically incorrect to call it a blackboard as the black part is considered racist? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.209.198.251 ( talk • contribs)
I'm removing this line from the article: "Some think that the term "chalkboard" is used rather than "blackboard" for reasons of political correctness.[2]" The bbc citation ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/1988952.stm) is not about chalkboards---the only relevant part of the linked page is in a user posted comment to the bbc article. Wpegden 20:20, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Just to make a point - political correctness has gone mad in London, and I can't speak for the rest of the UK, but I think its the same in most places. I've certainly been involved in an argument or two over the use of the term 'blackboard'. Also, I've heard of many London schools (and one in Kent) removing the word 'black' from the nursery rhyme 'Baa baa black sheep'. Its renamed things such as 'Baa baa rainbow sheep'. As I said - political correctness gone mad. It should definately be mentioned, even if its just in one brief sentence. -- Zestos 18:21, 19 December 2006 (GMT)
I take this whole thing with a pinch of salt. I've heard numerous people say that the word "Blackboard" is supposedly racist while clearly not agreeing that it is, yet I've NEVER heard anybody who actually DID think it was racist. And through my entire time at school and college in England from the 1980s to the 21st century I always heard it referred to as a blackboard and always thought the word Chalkboard was a an Americanism. (so it confuses me when people talk about this as a presumably mostly British problem when I'm under the impression that the supposedly PC variation is far more commonly used America)
Of course as I got older blackboards started to be replaced by whiteboards. Now first of all not only was the word WHITEboard specifically used in class (which, if the word BLACKboard really was racist then so too would the word WHITEboard be), but also one could take offence because the Whiteboards were taking over the role of Blackboards, presumably because they were better, and that could be seen as symbolic of 'Superior' Whites taking over 'Inferior' Blacks like some kind of European Empire. (Yes I know that sounds idiotic but I'm trying to apply the same warped logic that is supposedly behind the word Blackboard being somehow racist)
Furthermore according to this Wiki article the word "Chalkboard" originates from the 1930s, a time when there were far more important civil rights issues than the colour of a board for writing on.
Oh and let us not forget the obvious reason why I think the whole this is BS... THE COLOUR OF 'CHALK'BOARDS HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SKIN COLOUR OF PEOPLE WITH AFRICAN ANCESTRY!!!!
Presumably the name comes from the fact that not all Chalkboards are black and somebody added the PC bit later either as a joke or because they know nothing gets right-wing parties and newspapers support than an anti-PC crusade. To me the whole thing just sounds like "PC Gone Mad!" Gone Mad!!!
(Waiting for somebody to tell me I can't use the word crusade in 4... 3... 2...)
- Rich 23:59 08 May 2007
User:82.20.11.157 changed all the "chalkboards" to "blackboard". I'm leaving it like that for the moment so I can get people's reactions to it. Personally I like chalkboard better. They don't need to be black (can be dark blue, dark green or even a dark magenta), so chalkboard is a more general term. If the consensus is for chalkboard, then just undo those edits. But if the consensus here is for blackboard, then the page should probably be renamed (moved) to blackboard. -- h2g2bob 17:47, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Now the article uses "chalkboard" half of the time and "blackboard" half of the time, as if it can't make up its mind which word it's going to use. It makes the article read kind of oddly. :: Travis Evans 08:16, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
The article says: "The chalk marks can be quickly and easily wiped off with a damp cloth". Doesn't this ruin chalkboards? - Rolypolyman 16:33, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
Being little more than a politically motivated rant the reference for the following is hardly valid "In the United Kingdom, several local authorities have instructed to schools that blackboards should be reffered to as chalkboards for political correctness reasons, amid fears that the word "blackboard" is offensive towards black pupils." It looks more like Daily Mail-esque scaremongering rather than a genuine local authority directive. To remain it needs legimtate citations. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.151.154.226 ( talk) 14:55, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
This is ridiculous seeing how political correctness is seeping into our education systems. I myself am regarded as a "black student" despite being south Asian; none of my fellow south Asian or black friends find it offensive in anyway to mention words such as black coffee, blackboard or black market. This political correctness is merely a liberal agenda PR technique promulgated to the public to hide the true nature of racism in first world countries. What ever happened to common sense? Please revert it back to blackboard.
124.185.145.183 ( talk) 08:15, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
Good grief. I come here to see if there's any reason that blackboards are often green these days and find that very modern equivalent of "fingernail scratching on blackboards".
People, the reason blackboards are called blackboards is because they were most often made from very dark slate, so that chalk marks would show up well. They were referred to by their most outstanding characteristics - dark and flat - 'blackboard'.
Just so you know, the first appearance of this article was as (duh) Blackboard back in May 2003. And that was fine for over two years. Then one IP editor took exception to the article name, started a discussion with "but I see green ones", didn't listen to some negative opinions, and unilaterally changed pages and redirects around back in October 2005.
The posited back formation that blackboards should be called 'chalkboards' because you put chalk on them as a means to write/draw simply demands the question: why not inksheet for paper? Why is a Wax tablet not "bee-house-scratcheroo"? I have to assume (and hope) that if I unilaterally switched around whiteboard and markerboard that people would object. And yet it has the exact parallel to this change. In my experience it was called a markerboard. In the IP's experience they saw green boards.
This change, rather than being due to the even more fallacious PC skittishness, was due to the limited experience and world view of the IP editor. They were fixated on what they saw - color. They didn't know the history or background behind the word and just couldn't accept the use of that word 'blackboard' as a neutral noun.
Oh, wait, that does definitely remind one of PC ...
Removing some advertising (a particulary good example of this style can be found at [1]) which links to http://www.loulabellechalkboards.co.uk/ - please excuse my lack of correct formatting 203.123.84.51 ( talk) 06:44, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
Slates and chalkboards are not the same thing.Both can be written on, and the writing later erased. So can pencil writing on paper. They don't need to be combined just because they serve similar functions in some respects. In others they do NOT - the slate is portable, has a much longer history (by a few thousand years), almost totally substituted for paper for many of those (and for generations of barely-literate pupils), and has given rise to several well known sayings. Burying it as a minor section in Chalkboard would also bury its historical importance in the getting of literacy by millions. Ever heard of someone being given the chance to "start with a clean chalkboard"??? If anything, the Slate article needs some historic uses sections added. - KoolerStill ( talk) 20:20, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
Can ever such a mundane article have been illustrated by so many prosaic photos. Suggest deletion of whole section, perhaps retaining the 1900 image in the body of the text, although even that is 100 years behind anything historically relevant, according to the article. -- Kevin McE ( talk) 09:25, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
Imagine you are writing with white chalk on a black chalkboard. Draw a small circle. Blacken the circle. What color is it? Hmm... AlexPlante ( talk) 09:15, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
Should this article use "chalkboard" or "blackboard", and what should it be titled? 00:50, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
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Use Blackboard
Use Chalkboard
Why would one use Chalkboard and ban blackboard? only reason I can see is that said person is a fucking idiot that thinks its racist to call a board what is(black or white)
the board is not a being, its a piece of fucking material that you write on.
First of all the article's globally-recognised name which was in place originally should never have been allowed to be hijacked. Anyway, I've been doing some research on the two terms and without a doubt the vast majority of world-wide search engine hits use the term 'blackboard', the origins of the word 'chalkboard' seem to be based out of Memphis starting in 1935 thereafter around 1941 referred to as an 'Americanism'. The fact that 'chalkboard' is a local geographic word to describe the global term blackboard demands that the global word is re-applied to the article's name. Until article name resolution I have included both words in the piece. Twobells ( talk) 11:58, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
It is thoroughly inconsistent to argue for a vocabulary in the article that is not accepted for the title of the article. Any such change should only be enacted after a successful Requested Move discussion. Kevin McE ( talk) 17:51, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
{{
Redirect|Chalkboard}}
Coastside ( talk) 00:02, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
So start the RM: that's what I had suggested to Twobells. Kevin McE ( talk) 06:24, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
Are the dates certain about the "invention" date? I find the claim a bit dubious, especially considering the speed of which it was also allegedly adopted in the US of America — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.228.182.191 ( talk) 20:00, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
I would prefer a phrasing like "the invention is attributed to James Pillan." As far as I know, he claims to to have invented the blackboard and the colored chalk to teach Geography in his book "Physical and Classical Geography" (1854). No date is given. George Baron is credited for the first use of the blackboard in teaching (West Point, 1801). It wasn't used in public schools in the US before 1809 (first in Philadelphia, see http://www.personal.psu.edu/mas53/timln800.html). Pillans graduated with degree of M.A. in 1801 (!), was a private tutor on graduation until he became Rector at the High School in Edinburgh in 1809 (according to http://archiveshub.ac.uk/data/gb237coll-343). Doesn't seem to fit well with the data on the usage in the US. Lars ( talk) 15:31, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
I've added a reference that makes the blackboard clearly in use by 1814. Also James Pillans now exists. Charles Matthews ( talk) 17:58, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
Would a reference to the scene in Jaws done by actor Robert Shaw be relevant and appropriate?? or is it too limited in scope?
'Quint : [Quint first scratches the chalk board to get everyone's attention] Y'all know me. Know how I earn a livin'. I'll catch this bird for you, but it ain't gonna be easy. Bad fish....' — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:CF99:2080:497D:264:E2B0:F46 ( talk) 16:15, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
I've changed the references to a "blackboard" to "chalkboard". As much as I may detest the political correctness in the UK, the article is entitled "chalkboard". In addition, as noted both in the article lead and above, chalkboards may be of different colours. Please keep consistent in the article. 79.79.72.105 ( talk) 18:59, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
Nooo that’s not right — Preceding
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82.132.221.105 (
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20:29, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved per request. Favonian ( talk) 15:13, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
Chalkboard → Blackboard – The word "blackboard" has more commonality than "chalkboard", which is chiefly used in the US and Canada. Also, the original article was written using the term "blackboard" throughout, and the article was titled "Blackboard." Someone inappropriately moved the article to "Chalkboard" on October 19, 2005, and this RM reverses that move. Coastside ( talk) 08:05, 2 July 2012 (UTC) Coastside ( talk) 08:05, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
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Wikipedia's policy on article titles.Some statistics: Google Ngrams for worldwide English, American English both significantly favour blackboard. Brigham Young Uni Corpus of Contemporary American English has 498 for chalkboard and 910 for blackboard. Time Magazine Corpus has 19 for chalkboard (mostly 1990s) and 325 for blackboard (significantly tailing off in 1990s and 2000s). Article traffic statistics are not very useful here as many readers may arrive through links from other articles, particularly Classroom. Hope that helps. Spinning Spark 20:48, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
The term "blackboard" is politically incorrect and deemed racist by many people with low intelligence. Generally, most schools call it a "Blackboard" or a "Whiteboard". The word blackboard is perfectly fine to use, and anyone who does assume it is racist to state what said object is, is a complete idiot. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.228.134.97 ( talk) 22:07, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
Agreed. It brings to mind the era when ordering 'black' or 'white' tea was deemed racist, and it should be with/without milk'. I consider myself a feminist, anti-fascist & ant-racist, but for pity's sake... Ride the Hurricane ( talk) 19:31, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
What is a blackboard made of 223.239.24.108 ( talk) 11:11, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
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This article properly belongs at Chalkboard. The name blackboard is a misnomer because they are commonly dark green. 66.32.142.216 23:07, 19 May 2004 (UTC)
The problem for me with redirecting the blackboard page to chalkboard is that I can't see how to include a link to AI blackboards (which are definitely not called chalkboards). There is already a Wikipedia entry for AI blackboards (see Blackboard (computing)), but searching under "blackboard" does not currently find it. How do we fix this? Santaclaus 11:53, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
I agree that this page ought to be a disambiguation page. Blackboard technology was a major AI thrust and will continue to be of use. For instance, see KBE as an example.
The scratching of fingernails on a blackboard is a sound that is well-known for being extremely irritating.
It would be nice to add some psychological/physical information explaining what in the nature of this sound make it so irritating. SaintCahier 01:31, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
Reference added to BBTech as reminder of the history of and future use of this type of system. My thought is that Blackboard ought to be a disambiguation page. (jmswtlk)
indeed or whether it is even a valid point must be questioned. The point seems to to be mere opinion without any supporting evidence. —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
87.232.36.109 (
talk)
20:54, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
Maybe someone knows why chalkboards are especially being used in science&math disciplines (over whiteboards or whatever)? 85.65.54.142 12:22, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
I'm no expert, so I ask others to contribute along these lines. I came to this article looking to learn:
How is modern-day chalk made, and along those lines, how is the dye added? Alvis 03:56, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Why is yellow chalk so common? Cstaffa 02:10, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, and why is so many white? And also, maybe seeing as this article is so small, maybe it can merge with chalk?-- Nick54321blastoff ( talk) 10:49, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
Google:
Blackboard:
18,200,000 hits
Chalkboard:
3,460,000 hits
Yes yes, the Google test is not always a great indicator of what should be used (an argument I have used myself before), but that's only if there are other factors to consider. This is quite clear cut. Should be moved! Opinions, anyone? EuroSong talk 11:26, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
I almost always hear people calling them blackboards in the UK, almost never chalkboards, although anyone would understand you if you used either. -- Tango 17:48, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm from Canada, and I've always heard them refered to as blackboards. I had never encountered the term "chalkboard" until I looked for the Wikipedia article for "blackboard" and found the reference to "chalkboard" on the disambiguation page. I'm guessing "chalkboard" is used in the US and "blackboard" in the Commonwealth. AlexPlante ( talk) 09:06, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
Would it be worth noting that in the UK, possibly other English speaking countries I'm not sure, it is considered politically incorrect to call it a blackboard as the black part is considered racist? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.209.198.251 ( talk • contribs)
I'm removing this line from the article: "Some think that the term "chalkboard" is used rather than "blackboard" for reasons of political correctness.[2]" The bbc citation ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/1988952.stm) is not about chalkboards---the only relevant part of the linked page is in a user posted comment to the bbc article. Wpegden 20:20, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Just to make a point - political correctness has gone mad in London, and I can't speak for the rest of the UK, but I think its the same in most places. I've certainly been involved in an argument or two over the use of the term 'blackboard'. Also, I've heard of many London schools (and one in Kent) removing the word 'black' from the nursery rhyme 'Baa baa black sheep'. Its renamed things such as 'Baa baa rainbow sheep'. As I said - political correctness gone mad. It should definately be mentioned, even if its just in one brief sentence. -- Zestos 18:21, 19 December 2006 (GMT)
I take this whole thing with a pinch of salt. I've heard numerous people say that the word "Blackboard" is supposedly racist while clearly not agreeing that it is, yet I've NEVER heard anybody who actually DID think it was racist. And through my entire time at school and college in England from the 1980s to the 21st century I always heard it referred to as a blackboard and always thought the word Chalkboard was a an Americanism. (so it confuses me when people talk about this as a presumably mostly British problem when I'm under the impression that the supposedly PC variation is far more commonly used America)
Of course as I got older blackboards started to be replaced by whiteboards. Now first of all not only was the word WHITEboard specifically used in class (which, if the word BLACKboard really was racist then so too would the word WHITEboard be), but also one could take offence because the Whiteboards were taking over the role of Blackboards, presumably because they were better, and that could be seen as symbolic of 'Superior' Whites taking over 'Inferior' Blacks like some kind of European Empire. (Yes I know that sounds idiotic but I'm trying to apply the same warped logic that is supposedly behind the word Blackboard being somehow racist)
Furthermore according to this Wiki article the word "Chalkboard" originates from the 1930s, a time when there were far more important civil rights issues than the colour of a board for writing on.
Oh and let us not forget the obvious reason why I think the whole this is BS... THE COLOUR OF 'CHALK'BOARDS HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SKIN COLOUR OF PEOPLE WITH AFRICAN ANCESTRY!!!!
Presumably the name comes from the fact that not all Chalkboards are black and somebody added the PC bit later either as a joke or because they know nothing gets right-wing parties and newspapers support than an anti-PC crusade. To me the whole thing just sounds like "PC Gone Mad!" Gone Mad!!!
(Waiting for somebody to tell me I can't use the word crusade in 4... 3... 2...)
- Rich 23:59 08 May 2007
User:82.20.11.157 changed all the "chalkboards" to "blackboard". I'm leaving it like that for the moment so I can get people's reactions to it. Personally I like chalkboard better. They don't need to be black (can be dark blue, dark green or even a dark magenta), so chalkboard is a more general term. If the consensus is for chalkboard, then just undo those edits. But if the consensus here is for blackboard, then the page should probably be renamed (moved) to blackboard. -- h2g2bob 17:47, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Now the article uses "chalkboard" half of the time and "blackboard" half of the time, as if it can't make up its mind which word it's going to use. It makes the article read kind of oddly. :: Travis Evans 08:16, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
The article says: "The chalk marks can be quickly and easily wiped off with a damp cloth". Doesn't this ruin chalkboards? - Rolypolyman 16:33, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
Being little more than a politically motivated rant the reference for the following is hardly valid "In the United Kingdom, several local authorities have instructed to schools that blackboards should be reffered to as chalkboards for political correctness reasons, amid fears that the word "blackboard" is offensive towards black pupils." It looks more like Daily Mail-esque scaremongering rather than a genuine local authority directive. To remain it needs legimtate citations. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.151.154.226 ( talk) 14:55, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
This is ridiculous seeing how political correctness is seeping into our education systems. I myself am regarded as a "black student" despite being south Asian; none of my fellow south Asian or black friends find it offensive in anyway to mention words such as black coffee, blackboard or black market. This political correctness is merely a liberal agenda PR technique promulgated to the public to hide the true nature of racism in first world countries. What ever happened to common sense? Please revert it back to blackboard.
124.185.145.183 ( talk) 08:15, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
Good grief. I come here to see if there's any reason that blackboards are often green these days and find that very modern equivalent of "fingernail scratching on blackboards".
People, the reason blackboards are called blackboards is because they were most often made from very dark slate, so that chalk marks would show up well. They were referred to by their most outstanding characteristics - dark and flat - 'blackboard'.
Just so you know, the first appearance of this article was as (duh) Blackboard back in May 2003. And that was fine for over two years. Then one IP editor took exception to the article name, started a discussion with "but I see green ones", didn't listen to some negative opinions, and unilaterally changed pages and redirects around back in October 2005.
The posited back formation that blackboards should be called 'chalkboards' because you put chalk on them as a means to write/draw simply demands the question: why not inksheet for paper? Why is a Wax tablet not "bee-house-scratcheroo"? I have to assume (and hope) that if I unilaterally switched around whiteboard and markerboard that people would object. And yet it has the exact parallel to this change. In my experience it was called a markerboard. In the IP's experience they saw green boards.
This change, rather than being due to the even more fallacious PC skittishness, was due to the limited experience and world view of the IP editor. They were fixated on what they saw - color. They didn't know the history or background behind the word and just couldn't accept the use of that word 'blackboard' as a neutral noun.
Oh, wait, that does definitely remind one of PC ...
Removing some advertising (a particulary good example of this style can be found at [1]) which links to http://www.loulabellechalkboards.co.uk/ - please excuse my lack of correct formatting 203.123.84.51 ( talk) 06:44, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
Slates and chalkboards are not the same thing.Both can be written on, and the writing later erased. So can pencil writing on paper. They don't need to be combined just because they serve similar functions in some respects. In others they do NOT - the slate is portable, has a much longer history (by a few thousand years), almost totally substituted for paper for many of those (and for generations of barely-literate pupils), and has given rise to several well known sayings. Burying it as a minor section in Chalkboard would also bury its historical importance in the getting of literacy by millions. Ever heard of someone being given the chance to "start with a clean chalkboard"??? If anything, the Slate article needs some historic uses sections added. - KoolerStill ( talk) 20:20, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
Can ever such a mundane article have been illustrated by so many prosaic photos. Suggest deletion of whole section, perhaps retaining the 1900 image in the body of the text, although even that is 100 years behind anything historically relevant, according to the article. -- Kevin McE ( talk) 09:25, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
Imagine you are writing with white chalk on a black chalkboard. Draw a small circle. Blacken the circle. What color is it? Hmm... AlexPlante ( talk) 09:15, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
Should this article use "chalkboard" or "blackboard", and what should it be titled? 00:50, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
Please sign your name using four tildes under the position you support, and please add a (hopefully brief and well thought out) comment. If you are happy with more than one possibility, you may wish to sign your names to more than one place. Extended commentary should be placed below, in the section marked "Discussion", though brief commentary can be interspersed.
Use Blackboard
Use Chalkboard
Why would one use Chalkboard and ban blackboard? only reason I can see is that said person is a fucking idiot that thinks its racist to call a board what is(black or white)
the board is not a being, its a piece of fucking material that you write on.
First of all the article's globally-recognised name which was in place originally should never have been allowed to be hijacked. Anyway, I've been doing some research on the two terms and without a doubt the vast majority of world-wide search engine hits use the term 'blackboard', the origins of the word 'chalkboard' seem to be based out of Memphis starting in 1935 thereafter around 1941 referred to as an 'Americanism'. The fact that 'chalkboard' is a local geographic word to describe the global term blackboard demands that the global word is re-applied to the article's name. Until article name resolution I have included both words in the piece. Twobells ( talk) 11:58, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
It is thoroughly inconsistent to argue for a vocabulary in the article that is not accepted for the title of the article. Any such change should only be enacted after a successful Requested Move discussion. Kevin McE ( talk) 17:51, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
{{
Redirect|Chalkboard}}
Coastside ( talk) 00:02, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
So start the RM: that's what I had suggested to Twobells. Kevin McE ( talk) 06:24, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
Are the dates certain about the "invention" date? I find the claim a bit dubious, especially considering the speed of which it was also allegedly adopted in the US of America — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.228.182.191 ( talk) 20:00, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
I would prefer a phrasing like "the invention is attributed to James Pillan." As far as I know, he claims to to have invented the blackboard and the colored chalk to teach Geography in his book "Physical and Classical Geography" (1854). No date is given. George Baron is credited for the first use of the blackboard in teaching (West Point, 1801). It wasn't used in public schools in the US before 1809 (first in Philadelphia, see http://www.personal.psu.edu/mas53/timln800.html). Pillans graduated with degree of M.A. in 1801 (!), was a private tutor on graduation until he became Rector at the High School in Edinburgh in 1809 (according to http://archiveshub.ac.uk/data/gb237coll-343). Doesn't seem to fit well with the data on the usage in the US. Lars ( talk) 15:31, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
I've added a reference that makes the blackboard clearly in use by 1814. Also James Pillans now exists. Charles Matthews ( talk) 17:58, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
Would a reference to the scene in Jaws done by actor Robert Shaw be relevant and appropriate?? or is it too limited in scope?
'Quint : [Quint first scratches the chalk board to get everyone's attention] Y'all know me. Know how I earn a livin'. I'll catch this bird for you, but it ain't gonna be easy. Bad fish....' — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:CF99:2080:497D:264:E2B0:F46 ( talk) 16:15, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
I've changed the references to a "blackboard" to "chalkboard". As much as I may detest the political correctness in the UK, the article is entitled "chalkboard". In addition, as noted both in the article lead and above, chalkboards may be of different colours. Please keep consistent in the article. 79.79.72.105 ( talk) 18:59, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
Nooo that’s not right — Preceding
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The result of the move request was: moved per request. Favonian ( talk) 15:13, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
Chalkboard → Blackboard – The word "blackboard" has more commonality than "chalkboard", which is chiefly used in the US and Canada. Also, the original article was written using the term "blackboard" throughout, and the article was titled "Blackboard." Someone inappropriately moved the article to "Chalkboard" on October 19, 2005, and this RM reverses that move. Coastside ( talk) 08:05, 2 July 2012 (UTC) Coastside ( talk) 08:05, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
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Wikipedia's policy on article titles.Some statistics: Google Ngrams for worldwide English, American English both significantly favour blackboard. Brigham Young Uni Corpus of Contemporary American English has 498 for chalkboard and 910 for blackboard. Time Magazine Corpus has 19 for chalkboard (mostly 1990s) and 325 for blackboard (significantly tailing off in 1990s and 2000s). Article traffic statistics are not very useful here as many readers may arrive through links from other articles, particularly Classroom. Hope that helps. Spinning Spark 20:48, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
The term "blackboard" is politically incorrect and deemed racist by many people with low intelligence. Generally, most schools call it a "Blackboard" or a "Whiteboard". The word blackboard is perfectly fine to use, and anyone who does assume it is racist to state what said object is, is a complete idiot. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.228.134.97 ( talk) 22:07, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
Agreed. It brings to mind the era when ordering 'black' or 'white' tea was deemed racist, and it should be with/without milk'. I consider myself a feminist, anti-fascist & ant-racist, but for pity's sake... Ride the Hurricane ( talk) 19:31, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
What is a blackboard made of 223.239.24.108 ( talk) 11:11, 13 January 2023 (UTC)