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What is the policy with using $? Shouldn't it be US$? After all a lot of other countries use $, even though the US may be the largest. PseudoEdit 20:53, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
This article, backed by a BBC news citation, says the Merchant Royal gold was stolen from the Spanish. Merchant Royal says that it was being carried to Antwerp for the Gold's owners after the original carrier caught fire. A Google search reveals a number of different theories? Does anyone know is any of these are backed up by Primary sources? Kaid100 23:00, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
I imagine "colonial era" is a term used in the US to refer to the period before the American revolution. But has this ship got anything to do with North America? The link behind colonial era doesn't really help much either. Surely '17th century' (or whatever) would be more useful. Jooler 07:56, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
I understand that caution is a good thing, so it's wise to say that there is a range of valuations. However, wouldn't it also be appropriate to say what the range is, and that the upper figure could rank it as the richest-ever shipwreck recovery? It's important context that is noticeable by its absence. Canuckle 23:35, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
The article currently states:
"The recovery entered the public domain on May 18, 2007 when the company flew 17 tons[2] of coins, mostly silver, from Gibraltar to a secure location of unknown address in Florida, USA. The company has not yet released the type, date or nationality of the coins."
What does "entered the public domain" mean? Became public knowledge? Can this be reworded to be clearer? Ruyn 14:33, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
I think its fine to briefly describe Gibraltar's status in the article, but shouldn't it be on the first mention of Gibraltar? Gibmetal 77 talk 08:20, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
For the record, Gibraltar is not a colony. That term was dropped long ago by the FCO. -- Chris B • talk 14:06, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
I just watched the Discovery Channel episode, and it was stated repeatedly that there were coins dated from the 19th century. Our article states that the wreck could be an "English merchant ship Merchant Royal, which sank on 23 September 1641". I think that section should be removed. Any views on this proposal? Meishern ( talk) 22:27, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
Particularly noting this phrase:
"In January 2011, it was revealed throught Wikileaks memos that the US State Department had been involved with negotiations to assist the Spanish government in receiving the treasure, in exchange for the return of allegedly stolen artwork to a US private citizen. [20]"
The information presented here is misleading According to the cited source, it has only been suggested, by the salvage company, that such a deal exists/existed.
Furthermore, the NPOV of this site is highly questionable, as the general tone of the article appears (to me at least) to somewhat favor the salvage company in question.
As a side note, this article could — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ironlion45 ( talk • contribs) 06:18, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
The article has been revised to more fully explain what happened. Since the allegations are public, the response to them should be as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thetruthisoutthere33 ( talk • contribs) 21:33, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
"Black Swan" was a codename chosen by Odyssey for the allegeedly unidentified shipwreck. Nowadays it has been proved beyond any doubt that the shipwreck belongs to the Spanish frigate Nuestra Señora de las Mercedes. Furthermore, Odyssey has no "project" any more regarding this shipwreck, and the treasure is in the hands of Spanish museums.
I therefore propose to change the article's title. I can think of several options:
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So sad the way this turned out. Odyssey did all that work to find the coins, only to have Spain steal it from them using lawyers. 47.40.40.122 ( talk) 20:30, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
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What is the policy with using $? Shouldn't it be US$? After all a lot of other countries use $, even though the US may be the largest. PseudoEdit 20:53, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
This article, backed by a BBC news citation, says the Merchant Royal gold was stolen from the Spanish. Merchant Royal says that it was being carried to Antwerp for the Gold's owners after the original carrier caught fire. A Google search reveals a number of different theories? Does anyone know is any of these are backed up by Primary sources? Kaid100 23:00, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
I imagine "colonial era" is a term used in the US to refer to the period before the American revolution. But has this ship got anything to do with North America? The link behind colonial era doesn't really help much either. Surely '17th century' (or whatever) would be more useful. Jooler 07:56, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
I understand that caution is a good thing, so it's wise to say that there is a range of valuations. However, wouldn't it also be appropriate to say what the range is, and that the upper figure could rank it as the richest-ever shipwreck recovery? It's important context that is noticeable by its absence. Canuckle 23:35, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
The article currently states:
"The recovery entered the public domain on May 18, 2007 when the company flew 17 tons[2] of coins, mostly silver, from Gibraltar to a secure location of unknown address in Florida, USA. The company has not yet released the type, date or nationality of the coins."
What does "entered the public domain" mean? Became public knowledge? Can this be reworded to be clearer? Ruyn 14:33, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
I think its fine to briefly describe Gibraltar's status in the article, but shouldn't it be on the first mention of Gibraltar? Gibmetal 77 talk 08:20, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
For the record, Gibraltar is not a colony. That term was dropped long ago by the FCO. -- Chris B • talk 14:06, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
I just watched the Discovery Channel episode, and it was stated repeatedly that there were coins dated from the 19th century. Our article states that the wreck could be an "English merchant ship Merchant Royal, which sank on 23 September 1641". I think that section should be removed. Any views on this proposal? Meishern ( talk) 22:27, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
Particularly noting this phrase:
"In January 2011, it was revealed throught Wikileaks memos that the US State Department had been involved with negotiations to assist the Spanish government in receiving the treasure, in exchange for the return of allegedly stolen artwork to a US private citizen. [20]"
The information presented here is misleading According to the cited source, it has only been suggested, by the salvage company, that such a deal exists/existed.
Furthermore, the NPOV of this site is highly questionable, as the general tone of the article appears (to me at least) to somewhat favor the salvage company in question.
As a side note, this article could — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ironlion45 ( talk • contribs) 06:18, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
The article has been revised to more fully explain what happened. Since the allegations are public, the response to them should be as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thetruthisoutthere33 ( talk • contribs) 21:33, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
"Black Swan" was a codename chosen by Odyssey for the allegeedly unidentified shipwreck. Nowadays it has been proved beyond any doubt that the shipwreck belongs to the Spanish frigate Nuestra Señora de las Mercedes. Furthermore, Odyssey has no "project" any more regarding this shipwreck, and the treasure is in the hands of Spanish museums.
I therefore propose to change the article's title. I can think of several options:
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So sad the way this turned out. Odyssey did all that work to find the coins, only to have Spain steal it from them using lawyers. 47.40.40.122 ( talk) 20:30, 7 August 2021 (UTC)