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ALL of this information needs to be sourced if it is wished to be added. Jimmio78 keeps attempting to add this info with the following sources: the track listing on iTunes, a Tidal link for All the Stars and a Tidal link for King's Dead. Not only are the Tidal links for only 2 of the tracks, there are no writing or producer credits anywhere on those links. Additionally, the iTunes link (which has since been included to source song times) also does not show writer or producer credits. Thus, all of these attempts still has not solved the issue at hand. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 00:48, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
The entire list of additional credits reeks of WP:INDISCRIMINATE details that are of no encyclopedic value to the lay reader. I can’t think of any of other project film or TV where we list the entire production credits.— TriiipleThreat ( talk) 00:28, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
this personnel section is the norm for albums of this kind, and must be includedNothing is ever a "must" with anything. Also, part of the point that Triiiple and I had with this is you would not have any type of list like this for a film production, listing all the crew who worked on the project. But per the discussion taking place at MOS:ALBUM talk, there seems to be some feeling to include SOME of this info: namely that that isn't already repeated in the track list table, and the info that is completely irrelevant to the average reader (ie the publicist). For this album, the liner notes are available online, so if a reader had this interest, they can follow the link to find the info themselves. Potentially the info as it was in this edit, with musicians, and maybe some notable people from the technical heading. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 17:10, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
I'm suggesting that this article, which is currently about two separate albums, to be split into two articles. The Kendrick Lamar/TDE album, Black Panther: The Album, stays under the article name
Black Panther (soundtrack) (since it's the soundtrack album) and the
Ludwig Göransson composed film score, Black Panther (Original Score), be split into a new article titled
Black Panther (film score). The Black Panther soundtrack album has garnered a lot of attention beyond what usual soundtrack albums do because of the artists involved, with
Billboard even calling it this year's second "
event album" following
Culture II. The infobox also clutters with the track list, not giving enough space for the article's content. There also seems to be a lot of editors who don't usually edit album articles trying to 'fix' the Kendrick Lamar section of the album, causing a lot of different revisions that aren't consistent with other album articles.
GodsPlaaaaan (
talk)
21:13, 13 February 2018 (UTC) (Striked out on 1 March 2018, see below)
I also wholeheartedly agree that editors not experienced with album pages are causing a plethora of issues with their editingis a very WP:OWN and WP:IDONTLIKEIT statement to say. We're all here trying to make positive contributions to Wikipedia. And frankly some of this thought of being rigid to a fault to what has worked for previous articles is a little concerning. Those can obviously be helpful guides to new articles along with the MOS, but they then don't have to be slave to that if another, more beneficial formatting can work better for the article. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 05:39, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
I have been working on a much expanded and re-organised version of this article in my sandbox. I am almost done with the work I am doing over there, and so will be looking to move the new version of the article here soon. I just thought I would leave a note about it first so that anybody watching the article isn't taken by surprise. Once the change has been made, I am of course happy to discuss any concerns that people have with it. - adamstom97 ( talk) 05:38, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
@ Jimmio78: The reason I am against the changes you made, is that I don't think this should be an album article, so to speak. Perhaps there should be an actual album article for Black Panther: The Album, and that can be discussed (again) if you want to. But when dealing with music for a film I don't think it makes sense to look at it in terms of the album release. The creation of the music for the film is much more significant than the way it happened to be released independently for a niche market to enjoy. That is why I have structured this article to be about the music, not the albums, with the album releases mentioned in a release section. - adamstom97 ( talk) 12:29, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
@ Favre1fan93: the reason I did not put the remix album where you have moved it is that its production is not covered in the main part of the body, so it doesn't make sense to me to put it in the release section for the actual soundtrack. Also, it is not actually part of the film's soundtrack it is just inspired by it. The reason it belongs here at all is because it is obviously based on the score, but I don't think that is enough of a connection to justify putting it there. - adamstom97 ( talk) 21:25, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
I read the previous debate about splitting this into two separate entries, and this article has been expanded since then. I can't think of any reason this should be one article. It's two very different collections of music; I do not want the score if I'm looking for the soundtrack. I also don't know very much about wikipedia's mechanics (as far as templates and markup) so I'm just leaving a comment here in the hopes someone else will see this. 130.45.43.153 ( talk) 09:24, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
An unofficial mixtape titled "Wakanda ForeverEver" by J.Period was included on the article. It cites two sources, from Vibe and DJBooth. Though it exists, I don't think it has enough notability to merit inclusion. I believe it should be removed per WP:UNDUE. The track list on the article also has stylizations not consistent with other album articles. Nice4What ( talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ♥) 20:02, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
You have removed established content from the article without consensus, which turns WP:BURDEN and WP:ONUS upside-down. Yes, I know the exact wording of BURDEN says it's about "unsourced" content, and not having checked the sources I can't say for certain that that is the case here, but the spirit of the policy is that the burden is always on the party wishing to include the content, and cannot be shifted onto the party seeking to remove the content. Hijiri 88 ( 聖 やや) 00:37, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
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To add later: https://www.soundonsound.com/techniques/inside-track-kendrick-lamar-black-panther-all-stars -- Dignitee ( talk) 05:47, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
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ALL of this information needs to be sourced if it is wished to be added. Jimmio78 keeps attempting to add this info with the following sources: the track listing on iTunes, a Tidal link for All the Stars and a Tidal link for King's Dead. Not only are the Tidal links for only 2 of the tracks, there are no writing or producer credits anywhere on those links. Additionally, the iTunes link (which has since been included to source song times) also does not show writer or producer credits. Thus, all of these attempts still has not solved the issue at hand. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 00:48, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
The entire list of additional credits reeks of WP:INDISCRIMINATE details that are of no encyclopedic value to the lay reader. I can’t think of any of other project film or TV where we list the entire production credits.— TriiipleThreat ( talk) 00:28, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
this personnel section is the norm for albums of this kind, and must be includedNothing is ever a "must" with anything. Also, part of the point that Triiiple and I had with this is you would not have any type of list like this for a film production, listing all the crew who worked on the project. But per the discussion taking place at MOS:ALBUM talk, there seems to be some feeling to include SOME of this info: namely that that isn't already repeated in the track list table, and the info that is completely irrelevant to the average reader (ie the publicist). For this album, the liner notes are available online, so if a reader had this interest, they can follow the link to find the info themselves. Potentially the info as it was in this edit, with musicians, and maybe some notable people from the technical heading. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 17:10, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
I'm suggesting that this article, which is currently about two separate albums, to be split into two articles. The Kendrick Lamar/TDE album, Black Panther: The Album, stays under the article name
Black Panther (soundtrack) (since it's the soundtrack album) and the
Ludwig Göransson composed film score, Black Panther (Original Score), be split into a new article titled
Black Panther (film score). The Black Panther soundtrack album has garnered a lot of attention beyond what usual soundtrack albums do because of the artists involved, with
Billboard even calling it this year's second "
event album" following
Culture II. The infobox also clutters with the track list, not giving enough space for the article's content. There also seems to be a lot of editors who don't usually edit album articles trying to 'fix' the Kendrick Lamar section of the album, causing a lot of different revisions that aren't consistent with other album articles.
GodsPlaaaaan (
talk)
21:13, 13 February 2018 (UTC) (Striked out on 1 March 2018, see below)
I also wholeheartedly agree that editors not experienced with album pages are causing a plethora of issues with their editingis a very WP:OWN and WP:IDONTLIKEIT statement to say. We're all here trying to make positive contributions to Wikipedia. And frankly some of this thought of being rigid to a fault to what has worked for previous articles is a little concerning. Those can obviously be helpful guides to new articles along with the MOS, but they then don't have to be slave to that if another, more beneficial formatting can work better for the article. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 05:39, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
I have been working on a much expanded and re-organised version of this article in my sandbox. I am almost done with the work I am doing over there, and so will be looking to move the new version of the article here soon. I just thought I would leave a note about it first so that anybody watching the article isn't taken by surprise. Once the change has been made, I am of course happy to discuss any concerns that people have with it. - adamstom97 ( talk) 05:38, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
@ Jimmio78: The reason I am against the changes you made, is that I don't think this should be an album article, so to speak. Perhaps there should be an actual album article for Black Panther: The Album, and that can be discussed (again) if you want to. But when dealing with music for a film I don't think it makes sense to look at it in terms of the album release. The creation of the music for the film is much more significant than the way it happened to be released independently for a niche market to enjoy. That is why I have structured this article to be about the music, not the albums, with the album releases mentioned in a release section. - adamstom97 ( talk) 12:29, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
@ Favre1fan93: the reason I did not put the remix album where you have moved it is that its production is not covered in the main part of the body, so it doesn't make sense to me to put it in the release section for the actual soundtrack. Also, it is not actually part of the film's soundtrack it is just inspired by it. The reason it belongs here at all is because it is obviously based on the score, but I don't think that is enough of a connection to justify putting it there. - adamstom97 ( talk) 21:25, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
I read the previous debate about splitting this into two separate entries, and this article has been expanded since then. I can't think of any reason this should be one article. It's two very different collections of music; I do not want the score if I'm looking for the soundtrack. I also don't know very much about wikipedia's mechanics (as far as templates and markup) so I'm just leaving a comment here in the hopes someone else will see this. 130.45.43.153 ( talk) 09:24, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
An unofficial mixtape titled "Wakanda ForeverEver" by J.Period was included on the article. It cites two sources, from Vibe and DJBooth. Though it exists, I don't think it has enough notability to merit inclusion. I believe it should be removed per WP:UNDUE. The track list on the article also has stylizations not consistent with other album articles. Nice4What ( talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ♥) 20:02, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
You have removed established content from the article without consensus, which turns WP:BURDEN and WP:ONUS upside-down. Yes, I know the exact wording of BURDEN says it's about "unsourced" content, and not having checked the sources I can't say for certain that that is the case here, but the spirit of the policy is that the burden is always on the party wishing to include the content, and cannot be shifted onto the party seeking to remove the content. Hijiri 88 ( 聖 やや) 00:37, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for speedy deletion:
You can see the reason for deletion at the file description page linked above. — Community Tech bot ( talk) 08:07, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
To add later: https://www.soundonsound.com/techniques/inside-track-kendrick-lamar-black-panther-all-stars -- Dignitee ( talk) 05:47, 10 September 2020 (UTC)