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The consensus is that this video:
- Kelly, Brian (14 July 2018). "VIDEO:Coinbase just announced they could add five new coins to their platform". CNBC. Retrieved 14 July 2018.
cannot be used to cite the statement:
Bitcoin Cash is sometimes also referred to as Bcash.
Editors found that although the word "Bcash" is likely said at the beginning of the video, there is no mention of "Bitcoin Cash" in the video so the video does not support the statement.
The statement currently is sourced to 12 sources. The consensus is to remove this source as one of the citations for the statement.
One of the sources cited to confirm the claim is this video. [1] Does the cited source confirm the claim? Ladislav Mecir ( talk) 23:30, 2 November 2019 (UTC)Bitcoin Cash is sometimes also referred to as Bcash.
References
@ Ladislav Mecir: you reverted content to add wiki-linked Lightning Network content from this article here [3]. Please explain the removal of cited content. Note you are also removing Lightning Network content from the Bitcoin article, under discussion here Talk:Bitcoin#Lightning_Network, and have proposed Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lightning Network as well. Please explain, seems like a lot of anti-lightning network edits. Jtbobwaysf ( talk) 12 December 2019 (UTC)
I see that you edited the text. There are several issues with the wording though:
The source cited is a The Verge article authored by Adrianne Jeffries. [1] The alternative formulations are:
Some Bitcoin supporters like to call Bitcoin Cash "Bcash," "Btrash," or simply a scam, while Bitcoin Cash advocates insist that their implementation is the pure form of Bitcoin.
Bitcoin Cash detractors call the cryptocurrency "Bcash," "Btrash," or "a scam", while its supporters maintain that "it is the pure form of bitcoin".
Which one of these alternatives is supported by the cited source? Ladislav Mecir ( talk) 16:29, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
#2 The formulation #1 claims that 'Bitcoin supporters like to call Bitcoin Cash "Bcash," ...', while there is no such claim in the cited article. Such a change of the meaning is not supported by WP:RS requiring the source to directly support the information. As opposed to that, there is no doubt that formulation #2 is directly supported by the cited source. Ladislav Mecir ( talk) 16:29, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
#2 (if I must choose) ("Bitcoin supporters" ≈ "Bitcoin Cash detractors"), so #1 would be acceptable. However, #2 the better choice of the two because it refrains from making a judgement on whether Bitcoin Cash or Bitcoin is The Real Bitcoin. However, I think a third proposal would better capture the intent of #1:
* #3: "Bitcoin Cash detractors call the cryptocurrency "Bcash," "Btrash," or "a scam", while Bitcoin Cash advocates insist that their implementation is the pure form of Bitcoin".
(This also helps with parallelism).
Mdaniels5757 (
talk)
01:08, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
#2 Not very excited about this, but 2 should do. JonRichfield ( talk) 06:08, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
#2 Agree with the above. #2 follows the article more accurately and gives both the supporter and detractor sides. Cook907 ( talk) 20:39, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
&2 & strike bcash term "Bitcoin Cash detractors call the cryptocurrency "Btrash," or "a scam", while Bitcoin Cash advocates insist that their implementation is the pure form of Bitcoin." Note it is neeeded to strike the POV that detractors call the token Bcash, as we have only one source making that claim, while about a dozen that make no distinction of use of the bcash term. [2] Thanks! Jtbobwaysf ( talk) 09:28, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
#2, which accurately describes what the article says. It isn't up to the voice of Wikipedia to assess where the scams really are. Robert McClenon ( talk) 05:04, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
2 (summoned by bot) because of WP:V. However it needs to be either quoted and attributed, or paraphrased, because the proposed text is copy/pasted from the source. Alexbrn ( talk) 08:09, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
Question Issue is part of this directly conflicts with the huge number of sources that support the Bcash use already on the article. Is this mini-rfc here is if the source supports the btrash comment? Or am I missing something? Jtbobwaysf ( talk) 02:34, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
Comment to "&2 & strike bcash term" The source directly says it. Such a "strike" would be a misrepresentation of the source. Also, looking at "the dozen" mentioned above, I see that between them is the source you propose to misrepresent. Another one is the source that is a subject of the previous RfC. Ladislav Mecir ( talk) 06:30, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
References
Ladislav, in this edit [4] you removed a source and cited an RfC. Was there an RfC to remove a source? If so, which one? Jtbobwaysf ( talk) 06:38, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
This
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Change block reward from 12.5 to 6.25 (do this after block 630000). No.1simplified ( talk) 11:35, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
Humm what the hell - Search up anything abt Bitcoin cash halving and it would come up - Are you serious? WOW!
Please provide a specific description of the edit requestand
Please provide reliable sources if appropriate. All information in Wikipedia articles should be verifiable from reliable sources which are independent of the subject.– Jonesey95 ( talk) 14:20, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
I propose removing the mention of the Fortune article that incorrectly refers to Roger as a co-creator of Bitcoin Cash. Roger has stated that he was not involved in its creation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlAMpzDQoqk&t=614 76.28.240.101 ( talk) 21:59, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
Here is a reddit thread describing the changes. LaceyUF ( talk) 18:47, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
If you think I'm putting in nonsense or otherwise incorrect information, then delete my contributions. If you think it merely requires a citation, then please leave it and say so. The idea that current events in crypto are going to have great neutral point of view articles in the mainstream media is not tenable. Remaining extremely skeptical of the crypto centric press is also quite reasonable. Huckfinne ( talk) 02:39, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
NASDAQ News appears to be entirely reprints. Sourcing policy is to treat reprints as having the reliability of the original source - so if it's a crypto blog, it's treated as unreliable. If it's CoinDesk, it's explicitly noted as unreliable in WP:RSP.
Discussion started at Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#NASDAQ_News - David Gerard ( talk) 00:26, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
I'd like to contribute a fact that Bitcoin Cash is arguably one of the most adopted cryptocurrencies to date. This fact should be updated into the article. Some sources:
-- Hieutvan ( talk) 03:45, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Bitcoin Cash is sometimes also referred to as Bcash.
One of the sources cited to confirm the claim is [1]. Does the source confirm the claim? Ladislav Mecir ( talk) 11:41, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
References
This
edit request to
Bitcoin Cash has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Replace the implementation Bitcoin ABC with Bitcoin Cash Node -- Bitcoin ABC is no longer developing for the Bitcoin Cash blockchain, but instead for the Bitcoin ABC blockchain. This can be seen on the header paragraph on Bitcoin ABCs homepage [1]. I suggest it be replaced with Bitcoin Cash Node, as Bitcoin Cash Node is a fork of the Bitcoin ABC project, however is intended to stay on the BCH blockchain. Also, if needed, we could include Bitcoin ABC with something that says "formerly", or something similar. RealSwiftCoderJoe ( talk) 15:58, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
References
bitcoin cash is not referred to as bcash. That's a putdown term. It's like calling bitcoin core - bcore. please remove! thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.223.183.89 ( talk) 02:24, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
the information conveyed is already noted under controversy; this is arguably not the preferred nomenclature of bitcoin cash users. — Preceding
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See attached article which shows the split between Bitcoin Cash: lead implementation BCHN and Bitcoin Cash ABC: lead implementation Bitcoin ABC (which implemented a 8% block reward redirect) on Nov 15, 2020, mining SHA256. https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2020/11/13/2126220/0/en/Bitcoin-Cash-Undergoes-Hard-Fork.html Mazdamiata200 ( talk) 19:35, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
Ladislav, you removed the text from the lede per the RFC close here, and I added it back & moved it down to the controversy section. First, you deleted a large number of sources. Second it seems one of the sources ("vergeone") state the word is being used to as a detractor, yet there are other list of sources that seem to indicate the bcash term is neutrally. The closing editor confirmed here that the close did not call for removal of content. I dont have a position on the btrash name, it seems clearly that is meant to detract. Maybe you or someone else could propose some text on how to unify the two statements. Thanks! Jtbobwaysf ( talk) 08:39, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
@ Ladislav Mecir: you again removed sources on the article.
Thanks! Jtbobwaysf ( talk) 16:16, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 | ← | Archive 5 | Archive 6 | Archive 7 | Archive 8 | Archive 9 |
The consensus is that this video:
- Kelly, Brian (14 July 2018). "VIDEO:Coinbase just announced they could add five new coins to their platform". CNBC. Retrieved 14 July 2018.
cannot be used to cite the statement:
Bitcoin Cash is sometimes also referred to as Bcash.
Editors found that although the word "Bcash" is likely said at the beginning of the video, there is no mention of "Bitcoin Cash" in the video so the video does not support the statement.
The statement currently is sourced to 12 sources. The consensus is to remove this source as one of the citations for the statement.
One of the sources cited to confirm the claim is this video. [1] Does the cited source confirm the claim? Ladislav Mecir ( talk) 23:30, 2 November 2019 (UTC)Bitcoin Cash is sometimes also referred to as Bcash.
References
@ Ladislav Mecir: you reverted content to add wiki-linked Lightning Network content from this article here [3]. Please explain the removal of cited content. Note you are also removing Lightning Network content from the Bitcoin article, under discussion here Talk:Bitcoin#Lightning_Network, and have proposed Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lightning Network as well. Please explain, seems like a lot of anti-lightning network edits. Jtbobwaysf ( talk) 12 December 2019 (UTC)
I see that you edited the text. There are several issues with the wording though:
The source cited is a The Verge article authored by Adrianne Jeffries. [1] The alternative formulations are:
Some Bitcoin supporters like to call Bitcoin Cash "Bcash," "Btrash," or simply a scam, while Bitcoin Cash advocates insist that their implementation is the pure form of Bitcoin.
Bitcoin Cash detractors call the cryptocurrency "Bcash," "Btrash," or "a scam", while its supporters maintain that "it is the pure form of bitcoin".
Which one of these alternatives is supported by the cited source? Ladislav Mecir ( talk) 16:29, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
#2 The formulation #1 claims that 'Bitcoin supporters like to call Bitcoin Cash "Bcash," ...', while there is no such claim in the cited article. Such a change of the meaning is not supported by WP:RS requiring the source to directly support the information. As opposed to that, there is no doubt that formulation #2 is directly supported by the cited source. Ladislav Mecir ( talk) 16:29, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
#2 (if I must choose) ("Bitcoin supporters" ≈ "Bitcoin Cash detractors"), so #1 would be acceptable. However, #2 the better choice of the two because it refrains from making a judgement on whether Bitcoin Cash or Bitcoin is The Real Bitcoin. However, I think a third proposal would better capture the intent of #1:
* #3: "Bitcoin Cash detractors call the cryptocurrency "Bcash," "Btrash," or "a scam", while Bitcoin Cash advocates insist that their implementation is the pure form of Bitcoin".
(This also helps with parallelism).
Mdaniels5757 (
talk)
01:08, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
#2 Not very excited about this, but 2 should do. JonRichfield ( talk) 06:08, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
#2 Agree with the above. #2 follows the article more accurately and gives both the supporter and detractor sides. Cook907 ( talk) 20:39, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
&2 & strike bcash term "Bitcoin Cash detractors call the cryptocurrency "Btrash," or "a scam", while Bitcoin Cash advocates insist that their implementation is the pure form of Bitcoin." Note it is neeeded to strike the POV that detractors call the token Bcash, as we have only one source making that claim, while about a dozen that make no distinction of use of the bcash term. [2] Thanks! Jtbobwaysf ( talk) 09:28, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
#2, which accurately describes what the article says. It isn't up to the voice of Wikipedia to assess where the scams really are. Robert McClenon ( talk) 05:04, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
2 (summoned by bot) because of WP:V. However it needs to be either quoted and attributed, or paraphrased, because the proposed text is copy/pasted from the source. Alexbrn ( talk) 08:09, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
Question Issue is part of this directly conflicts with the huge number of sources that support the Bcash use already on the article. Is this mini-rfc here is if the source supports the btrash comment? Or am I missing something? Jtbobwaysf ( talk) 02:34, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
Comment to "&2 & strike bcash term" The source directly says it. Such a "strike" would be a misrepresentation of the source. Also, looking at "the dozen" mentioned above, I see that between them is the source you propose to misrepresent. Another one is the source that is a subject of the previous RfC. Ladislav Mecir ( talk) 06:30, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
References
Ladislav, in this edit [4] you removed a source and cited an RfC. Was there an RfC to remove a source? If so, which one? Jtbobwaysf ( talk) 06:38, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
This
edit request to
Bitcoin Cash has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Change block reward from 12.5 to 6.25 (do this after block 630000). No.1simplified ( talk) 11:35, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
Humm what the hell - Search up anything abt Bitcoin cash halving and it would come up - Are you serious? WOW!
Please provide a specific description of the edit requestand
Please provide reliable sources if appropriate. All information in Wikipedia articles should be verifiable from reliable sources which are independent of the subject.– Jonesey95 ( talk) 14:20, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
I propose removing the mention of the Fortune article that incorrectly refers to Roger as a co-creator of Bitcoin Cash. Roger has stated that he was not involved in its creation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlAMpzDQoqk&t=614 76.28.240.101 ( talk) 21:59, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
Here is a reddit thread describing the changes. LaceyUF ( talk) 18:47, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
If you think I'm putting in nonsense or otherwise incorrect information, then delete my contributions. If you think it merely requires a citation, then please leave it and say so. The idea that current events in crypto are going to have great neutral point of view articles in the mainstream media is not tenable. Remaining extremely skeptical of the crypto centric press is also quite reasonable. Huckfinne ( talk) 02:39, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
NASDAQ News appears to be entirely reprints. Sourcing policy is to treat reprints as having the reliability of the original source - so if it's a crypto blog, it's treated as unreliable. If it's CoinDesk, it's explicitly noted as unreliable in WP:RSP.
Discussion started at Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#NASDAQ_News - David Gerard ( talk) 00:26, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
I'd like to contribute a fact that Bitcoin Cash is arguably one of the most adopted cryptocurrencies to date. This fact should be updated into the article. Some sources:
-- Hieutvan ( talk) 03:45, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Bitcoin Cash is sometimes also referred to as Bcash.
One of the sources cited to confirm the claim is [1]. Does the source confirm the claim? Ladislav Mecir ( talk) 11:41, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
References
This
edit request to
Bitcoin Cash has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Replace the implementation Bitcoin ABC with Bitcoin Cash Node -- Bitcoin ABC is no longer developing for the Bitcoin Cash blockchain, but instead for the Bitcoin ABC blockchain. This can be seen on the header paragraph on Bitcoin ABCs homepage [1]. I suggest it be replaced with Bitcoin Cash Node, as Bitcoin Cash Node is a fork of the Bitcoin ABC project, however is intended to stay on the BCH blockchain. Also, if needed, we could include Bitcoin ABC with something that says "formerly", or something similar. RealSwiftCoderJoe ( talk) 15:58, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
References
bitcoin cash is not referred to as bcash. That's a putdown term. It's like calling bitcoin core - bcore. please remove! thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.223.183.89 ( talk) 02:24, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
the information conveyed is already noted under controversy; this is arguably not the preferred nomenclature of bitcoin cash users. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Mazdamiata200 (
talk •
contribs)
15:16, 13 January 2021 (UTC) sockpuppetry
This
edit request to
Bitcoin Cash has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
See attached article which shows the split between Bitcoin Cash: lead implementation BCHN and Bitcoin Cash ABC: lead implementation Bitcoin ABC (which implemented a 8% block reward redirect) on Nov 15, 2020, mining SHA256. https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2020/11/13/2126220/0/en/Bitcoin-Cash-Undergoes-Hard-Fork.html Mazdamiata200 ( talk) 19:35, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
Ladislav, you removed the text from the lede per the RFC close here, and I added it back & moved it down to the controversy section. First, you deleted a large number of sources. Second it seems one of the sources ("vergeone") state the word is being used to as a detractor, yet there are other list of sources that seem to indicate the bcash term is neutrally. The closing editor confirmed here that the close did not call for removal of content. I dont have a position on the btrash name, it seems clearly that is meant to detract. Maybe you or someone else could propose some text on how to unify the two statements. Thanks! Jtbobwaysf ( talk) 08:39, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
@ Ladislav Mecir: you again removed sources on the article.
Thanks! Jtbobwaysf ( talk) 16:16, 14 March 2021 (UTC)