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@ The Bushranger: redirected the article, stating, "following up on the consensus at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/USL Atlanta. Once the team is fully established this can be simply restored.]] and earlier, that it was WP:TOOSOON". I initially objected, twice, but that logic makes sense. More recently @ Jamesmiko: stated, "every other professional sports team has its own page. There's no good reason, nor WP rule, to remove this." However, not every other professional sports team has its own page, and this team isn't like every other sports team. For association football teams, the criteria is at Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Notability#Club notability states that "All teams that have played in the national cup (or the national level of the league structure in countries where no cup exists) are assumed to meet WP:N criteria. Teams that are not eligible for national cups must be shown to meet broader WP:N criteria." So, yes, there is a WP rule that states that the article should be a redirect. This team doesn't start play until 2020 and so it has not yet played for the Lamar Hunt trophy so it has to meet broader WP:N criteria, and with only two references, that's not happening. It is likely too soon as The Bushranger stated. If references can be supplied to meet WP:GNG, we can make a request to have the page unlocked, the redirect removed, and the article updated. Until that time, it should remain a redirect. Just to summarize, both a good reason and a rule do exist. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 15:59, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
All of the other expansion clubs in the United Soccer League page have their own page, so why is it that Birmingham doesn't? They got a website, they have staff, and even signed their players with the intent of starting in March of 2019. 22:46, 16 October 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.112.212.202 ( talk)
Dystopos the page you mention above as an example of something "non-notable" is, by definition noteworthy, as it treats comprehensively a particular branch of knowledge, that being a complete list of every episode of a comedy show that has been shown around the world; an "encyclopedic knowledge" of a world renowned subject. The show won so many awards they needed a separate page. Mark Dask 06:05, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
This whole situation is ridiculous and moving around in the shadows instead of being treated properly at WP:AFD and the like. First of all, an announced expansion team of a professional league clearly meets WP:GNG because it receives coverage from local reliable sources, like newspapers and TV stations, at every step of the process: awarding the franchise, naming the franchise, signing a manager and some players...it's all there.
I'll use New Mexico United as an example, since I'm more familiar with it. Here's a good half-dozen articles from the Albuquerque Journal, a reliable source, that follows the process I listed above. Just days ago, the team organized a friendly between Liga MX clubs and the in-depth article on the event also had details of the upcoming's clubs plans and ambitions. This is pretty much on par with an MLS expansion team's early coverage...which brings up the good point of why the USL clubs are alone in being deleted while teams like Inter Miami CF and Nashville MLS team (which lacks an official name) are allowed to stay up. Where do you draw the line? USL is a professional league and its clubs all have individual articles. Do we delete those too? Sounder Bruce 01:05, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
I'm sorry, what? This is absolutely ridiculous. Not only is this a massive break in precedent, but as SounderBruce has pointed out, there are reliable local sources that cover the announcements of these teams in addition to announcements made by the league itself. And this DEFINITELY should have been taken to AfD rather than just redirecting them. and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/USL Atlanta is as much a consensus as Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Minnesota United FC (MLS), which move in the opposite directions. Jay eyem ( talk) 20:50, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
How can I add the logo without opening up the page? When will the redirect come off? Roberto221 ( talk) 04:49, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
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@ The Bushranger: redirected the article, stating, "following up on the consensus at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/USL Atlanta. Once the team is fully established this can be simply restored.]] and earlier, that it was WP:TOOSOON". I initially objected, twice, but that logic makes sense. More recently @ Jamesmiko: stated, "every other professional sports team has its own page. There's no good reason, nor WP rule, to remove this." However, not every other professional sports team has its own page, and this team isn't like every other sports team. For association football teams, the criteria is at Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Notability#Club notability states that "All teams that have played in the national cup (or the national level of the league structure in countries where no cup exists) are assumed to meet WP:N criteria. Teams that are not eligible for national cups must be shown to meet broader WP:N criteria." So, yes, there is a WP rule that states that the article should be a redirect. This team doesn't start play until 2020 and so it has not yet played for the Lamar Hunt trophy so it has to meet broader WP:N criteria, and with only two references, that's not happening. It is likely too soon as The Bushranger stated. If references can be supplied to meet WP:GNG, we can make a request to have the page unlocked, the redirect removed, and the article updated. Until that time, it should remain a redirect. Just to summarize, both a good reason and a rule do exist. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 15:59, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
All of the other expansion clubs in the United Soccer League page have their own page, so why is it that Birmingham doesn't? They got a website, they have staff, and even signed their players with the intent of starting in March of 2019. 22:46, 16 October 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.112.212.202 ( talk)
Dystopos the page you mention above as an example of something "non-notable" is, by definition noteworthy, as it treats comprehensively a particular branch of knowledge, that being a complete list of every episode of a comedy show that has been shown around the world; an "encyclopedic knowledge" of a world renowned subject. The show won so many awards they needed a separate page. Mark Dask 06:05, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
This whole situation is ridiculous and moving around in the shadows instead of being treated properly at WP:AFD and the like. First of all, an announced expansion team of a professional league clearly meets WP:GNG because it receives coverage from local reliable sources, like newspapers and TV stations, at every step of the process: awarding the franchise, naming the franchise, signing a manager and some players...it's all there.
I'll use New Mexico United as an example, since I'm more familiar with it. Here's a good half-dozen articles from the Albuquerque Journal, a reliable source, that follows the process I listed above. Just days ago, the team organized a friendly between Liga MX clubs and the in-depth article on the event also had details of the upcoming's clubs plans and ambitions. This is pretty much on par with an MLS expansion team's early coverage...which brings up the good point of why the USL clubs are alone in being deleted while teams like Inter Miami CF and Nashville MLS team (which lacks an official name) are allowed to stay up. Where do you draw the line? USL is a professional league and its clubs all have individual articles. Do we delete those too? Sounder Bruce 01:05, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
I'm sorry, what? This is absolutely ridiculous. Not only is this a massive break in precedent, but as SounderBruce has pointed out, there are reliable local sources that cover the announcements of these teams in addition to announcements made by the league itself. And this DEFINITELY should have been taken to AfD rather than just redirecting them. and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/USL Atlanta is as much a consensus as Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Minnesota United FC (MLS), which move in the opposite directions. Jay eyem ( talk) 20:50, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
How can I add the logo without opening up the page? When will the redirect come off? Roberto221 ( talk) 04:49, 18 November 2018 (UTC)