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An attempt at an objective overview of the arguments so far. Please see discussion and edit the overview if necessary. Madeinsane 00:33, 13 December 2006 (UTC) For the merger:
Against the merger:
Suggested solutions:Either: |
It's suggested that BINGO be merged here. See Talk:BINGO for discussion. Elf | Talk 17:54, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
The many pages that link to bingo as a game should either link to the Category:Bingo page or one of the specific bingo pages, like Bingo (US) or Housie, where appropriate. Linking to the disambiguation page will be confusing. (i.e. The Keno page links to the disambiguation to show a similarity to bingo, but this page just links right back to keno. Nothing is learnt.) -- FeldBum 03:42, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Bingo (disambiguation) → Bingo … Rationale: We should not redirect to the dab. … Please share your opinion at Talk:Bingo (disambiguation). Vegaswikian 17:50, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
To make clear what I mean, I propose the following entry:
Bingo
Bingo is a popular game of chance played under slightly different rules in the US and the UK. In OZ and NZ, the UK version is played under the name Housie. Bingo is also closely related to other games played worldwide, such as Loteria in MX.
Then Rules section, then US Bingo section, then UK Bingo/Housie section, then Other Variants section, all with "Main article" headers where applicable. This solves a lot of the fragmentization and redundancy that's going on right now. ~ trialsanderrors 21:50, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
As no action has yet been taken, and no exact consensus has been reached, I have drawn the attention of users participating in similar talks on Talk:Housie and Talk:Bingo (US)to this, more central, discusson, and put relevant banners on the pages. For clarity, there is an overview of the argument at the top of this page. Madeinsane 00:41, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
I would argue that, in the UK in particular, something more significant than differences in game play, is that bingo has developed into a common passtime with a national identity, glamourised by a change in marketing strategy and popularised by comedians (such as in, That Peter Kay Thing, Eyes Down) and as such could be discussed as a cultural phenomenon not relevant to any other part of the world. Some of the content already conatained in the Housie article, such as the business aspect section is also relevant to this modern phenomenon, and should not be included in any generic article. Some other cultural aspects such as calling nicknames, but particularly their usage and the trivia section are also particularly relevant to this modern phenomenon.
My suggested solution therefore is closest to option (a) above:
Introduction basic rules with no regional bias using neutral voabulary History of the game (a similar game existed in Roman times),
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There would be no additional articles unless they could be justified for reasons such as those I have argued above in the case of the UK.
Madeinsane
23:51, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
I agree, the original generic article was confusing, but the current layout with two articles linked from a disambiguation page could be very off-putting for users who are unfamiliar with basic game rules, let alone regional differences. The problem is that the games do have a lot in common in terms of their shared histories and basic rules (see overview above for examples); and the amount of content repeated over the two articles only serves to emphasise this point. Also in one club I worked in in the UK, we played "American Bingo", with a 5x5 ticket, in addition to the ordinary 3x15 ticket. The biggest differences are therefore not in game play, so a generic article could more effectively highlight these differences and similarities. If a separate article is needed to explain atmosphere etc, then this could be developed later, if there is enough content. Madeinsane 14:29, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
As there hasn't been much objection over the issue this time round I'm going to go ahead with the merger of the two pages as I explained above. Madeinsane 06:57, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
I was pointed towards your article about bingo by the BBC and would like to let you know that UK bingo has very different antecedent to the US game. As one of your corespondents noted bingo in the UK has a particular and significant cultural aspects that the commercial game has not destroyed in the way that has occurred in the US. The British game also has a long history and is part of a continuing tradition of random numbers games played by the British, especially by working class women. I think what would be best is an article on bingo that had a separate section on the history and culture of British bingo. Carolyn Downs 12:03, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
The whole shebang is fairly static and will hardly ever require any serius updates. It is not that yankee bingo and pommie bingo require frequent work, which could be halve by amalgamation.
I have just used it and was happy with it just the way it is. No mental work needed for sorting out terms and abberations, etc.. Just simply reading the article and getting the idea.
Don't waste any energy here - look for typos if need be. Wikipedia has tons of them to offer ;) Shout out loudly "Bingo!" once you have found one. Oalexander-En 15:12, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Doesn't the US military also use this term to indicate the minimum fuel status at which an aircraft or vessel can still return to a base? -- BrokenSphere Msg me 18:25, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
안녕하세요. 내 숙제를 좀 대답해주고 도와줄 사람이 있어요? 🥹 117.111.12.86 ( talk) 04:03, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
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An attempt at an objective overview of the arguments so far. Please see discussion and edit the overview if necessary. Madeinsane 00:33, 13 December 2006 (UTC) For the merger:
Against the merger:
Suggested solutions:Either: |
It's suggested that BINGO be merged here. See Talk:BINGO for discussion. Elf | Talk 17:54, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
The many pages that link to bingo as a game should either link to the Category:Bingo page or one of the specific bingo pages, like Bingo (US) or Housie, where appropriate. Linking to the disambiguation page will be confusing. (i.e. The Keno page links to the disambiguation to show a similarity to bingo, but this page just links right back to keno. Nothing is learnt.) -- FeldBum 03:42, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Bingo (disambiguation) → Bingo … Rationale: We should not redirect to the dab. … Please share your opinion at Talk:Bingo (disambiguation). Vegaswikian 17:50, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
To make clear what I mean, I propose the following entry:
Bingo
Bingo is a popular game of chance played under slightly different rules in the US and the UK. In OZ and NZ, the UK version is played under the name Housie. Bingo is also closely related to other games played worldwide, such as Loteria in MX.
Then Rules section, then US Bingo section, then UK Bingo/Housie section, then Other Variants section, all with "Main article" headers where applicable. This solves a lot of the fragmentization and redundancy that's going on right now. ~ trialsanderrors 21:50, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
As no action has yet been taken, and no exact consensus has been reached, I have drawn the attention of users participating in similar talks on Talk:Housie and Talk:Bingo (US)to this, more central, discusson, and put relevant banners on the pages. For clarity, there is an overview of the argument at the top of this page. Madeinsane 00:41, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
I would argue that, in the UK in particular, something more significant than differences in game play, is that bingo has developed into a common passtime with a national identity, glamourised by a change in marketing strategy and popularised by comedians (such as in, That Peter Kay Thing, Eyes Down) and as such could be discussed as a cultural phenomenon not relevant to any other part of the world. Some of the content already conatained in the Housie article, such as the business aspect section is also relevant to this modern phenomenon, and should not be included in any generic article. Some other cultural aspects such as calling nicknames, but particularly their usage and the trivia section are also particularly relevant to this modern phenomenon.
My suggested solution therefore is closest to option (a) above:
Introduction basic rules with no regional bias using neutral voabulary History of the game (a similar game existed in Roman times),
|
There would be no additional articles unless they could be justified for reasons such as those I have argued above in the case of the UK.
Madeinsane
23:51, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
I agree, the original generic article was confusing, but the current layout with two articles linked from a disambiguation page could be very off-putting for users who are unfamiliar with basic game rules, let alone regional differences. The problem is that the games do have a lot in common in terms of their shared histories and basic rules (see overview above for examples); and the amount of content repeated over the two articles only serves to emphasise this point. Also in one club I worked in in the UK, we played "American Bingo", with a 5x5 ticket, in addition to the ordinary 3x15 ticket. The biggest differences are therefore not in game play, so a generic article could more effectively highlight these differences and similarities. If a separate article is needed to explain atmosphere etc, then this could be developed later, if there is enough content. Madeinsane 14:29, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
As there hasn't been much objection over the issue this time round I'm going to go ahead with the merger of the two pages as I explained above. Madeinsane 06:57, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
I was pointed towards your article about bingo by the BBC and would like to let you know that UK bingo has very different antecedent to the US game. As one of your corespondents noted bingo in the UK has a particular and significant cultural aspects that the commercial game has not destroyed in the way that has occurred in the US. The British game also has a long history and is part of a continuing tradition of random numbers games played by the British, especially by working class women. I think what would be best is an article on bingo that had a separate section on the history and culture of British bingo. Carolyn Downs 12:03, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
The whole shebang is fairly static and will hardly ever require any serius updates. It is not that yankee bingo and pommie bingo require frequent work, which could be halve by amalgamation.
I have just used it and was happy with it just the way it is. No mental work needed for sorting out terms and abberations, etc.. Just simply reading the article and getting the idea.
Don't waste any energy here - look for typos if need be. Wikipedia has tons of them to offer ;) Shout out loudly "Bingo!" once you have found one. Oalexander-En 15:12, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Doesn't the US military also use this term to indicate the minimum fuel status at which an aircraft or vessel can still return to a base? -- BrokenSphere Msg me 18:25, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
안녕하세요. 내 숙제를 좀 대답해주고 도와줄 사람이 있어요? 🥹 117.111.12.86 ( talk) 04:03, 11 December 2023 (UTC)