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The bikini tan section was removed, and I restored it. The bikini tan is valid, common and established concept. I see no reason for its removal. If anyone finds a reason, please, discuss. If that reason is valid, it may be removed again. Aditya( talk • contribs) 10:20, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
The Commons have some good diagrams of waxing styles. Highly usable. Aditya( talk • contribs) 11:34, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
BASF's bikini was a failed prototype. Day-Glo was not used. Sunblock factor was not variable. Sanctuary's polymer was not used for bikinis. 1991 invention was not cited in 1983 book. So, the final paragraph was almost entirely incorrect. Let's improve a Good Article by leaving out the bogus info! — Patrug ( talk) 06:33, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
Also: The 2009 product was a trivial variation of the 1969 innovation. UVC radiation doesn't reach the earth's surface. 1993–2008 medical references are superseded by 2011–2015. Hope this helps. — Patrug ( talk) 06:50, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
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Not gonna change it without consensus, but is that lead image REALLY the best lead image? You can barely see the bikini in it, it's so tiny. It seems to be more the sort of picture that a sex-starved drooling teenage boy would choose for personal pleasure, than a serious encyclopaedic image. Personally, I thought the original lede image was far better - it's far more realistic and representative, and definitely less blatantly exploitative. Mabalu ( talk) 00:06, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
Peter, you keep removing a higher quality photograph for a lower quality one, claiming the latter is more neutral, which I think just means you prefer it. But the former is a perfectly valid image of bikinis; it's just not sexual in any way. And you're moving the New Jersey image into "Outside the Western world." SarahSV (talk) 22:56, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
I don't think you can underplay tankinis and monokinis in a section about bikini variants. Too much of that decisions comes from "eye candy" and not enough from mainstream and/or academic sources. Aditya( talk • contribs) 12:59, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
Detailed information about bikini waxing in this article is highly questionable. A brief mention of the phenomenon may be warranted, but extensive information, along with illustrations of actual pubic hair styles is clearly WP:UNDUE. Pubic hair removal is about specific ideals related to women's bodies which is a separate topic.
The issue of women's pubic hair removal is not even specifically tied to just bikinis, but any similarly designed swimsuit bottoms and underwear in general. It's not much more relevant here than in any article on women's garments. It's pretty much the equivalent of expounding on topics like whale tail or camel toe.
Peter Isotalo 08:12, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
A section on bikini waxing clearly belongs in an article titled "Bikini." As for how much should be in the section, the section should comply with WP:Summary style. It should be an adequate summary of the Bikini waxing article. Flyer22 Reborn ( talk) 23:37, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
Now you are angry. By the way, I had figured out the context already. Though I didn't know that it had such a discussion. Anyways, even a "remove all images unclothed women" approach can not hold. Because, it had only diagrams, not really unclothed women. We can take this to the community, of which S39 is also a part. Aditya( talk • contribs) 10:34, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
SlimVirgin, regarding this, I don't think the slimmed down version is a better lead. This is a big article, and the former lead summarized the most important aspects well. Furthermore, as has been a matter of dispute at this article before (see Talk:Bikini/Archive 2#Men's bikinis), the term bikini can also refer to a man's swimsuit, which is why the word usually was there in the lead sentence, and a hidden note that I created stated the following: NOTE: The term "usually" is used because "bikini" can also refer to a man's swimsuit."
It's also why the following was included later in the lead: "A man's brief swimsuit may also be referred to as a bikini." The "Bikini underwear" section discusses men's wear in addition to women's wear, and there is a Men's bikini section right after that. So to not state anything about men's wear in the lead seems off.
Sure, Aditya Kabir added a lot to the article, but it's a topic that covers a lot, and Aditya Kabir did a nice job bringing the article to WP:GA status. Flyer22 Reborn ( talk) 06:42, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
Merriam-Webster is generally considered a pretty reliable source. -- GRuban ( talk) 23:34, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
Graham11, regarding this tag you added, what parts of the lead contain information that is not included elsewhere in the article? Or did you rather mean to add a tag requesting that the lead be expanded? Flyer22 Reborn ( talk) 23:05, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
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How is this still classified as a good article if there is a notice on top regarding the lead section needing improvement? Tinton5 ( talk) 01:28, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
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The file Tan lines .jpg on Wikimedia Commons has been nominated for speedy deletion. View the deletion reason at the Commons file description page. Community Tech bot ( talk) 16:21, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
The following projects have been remvoed by the same editor, and reinstated by me. Why should they be remvoed - they seem valid, and the only justification so far is an edit summary of "Bikinis are sometimes worn by preteens" which is utterly irrelevant to the topic. An obvious response is - why does this justify removal from the projects?
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I'll not be reverting again in order to avoid editwarring, but I see no reason for the removal so far. Repeated removal would be disruptive. Chaheel Riens ( talk) 19:11, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
I was viewing Pinterest, Shutterstock, and Google and other social media sites and saw a lot social media snaps/videos of various women riding skateboards in their bikinis. Considering that we have mentioned surfing in a bikini, I was thinking of showcasing other sports as well because it would be great to promote the article from a good article to a featured article. I am not a skateboarder myself, but a lot of my friends used to be, so hence why I have some decent knowledge on that subject and want to contribute to spruce the article up with some updated information as a lot of them seem outdated to standards. Hope that is ok :). I always want to ask before commmencing action. Trying this new BDR method. If its a problem, please let me know but I like to do my part to help out. Majority of images have not been replaced -- EurovisionNim (talk to me) (see my edits) 03:27, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
If I read reference 8 (Agrawala, P.K. (1983)) correctly, Mellaart is actually talking about the site Hacilar, not Çatalhöyük. 37.138.65.238 ( talk) 15:25, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
There are around 43 images in this article at the moment. I think it can be just as well represented with less. Do others have an opinion?
Hmmmm...pictures make the article better so no... Elmortisproe ( talk) 15:22, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
There is already an image captioned "A woman wearing a purple bikini at the beach" near the top of the article. What benefit does adding a similar image captioned "American fitness model Jennifer Nicole Lee in red bikini" have? Useight ( talk) 15:28, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
Australian Paula Stafford designed and released the bikini in 1943 at the Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia. This is 3 years before Jacques Heim released his design in France. See [1] Ptilinopus ( talk) 09:02, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
What about the postcard that inspired Arthur Kniebler to create men’s briefs in 1935? It featured a French man in a bikini brief style bathing suit, supposedly Blu Moon ( talk) 21:36, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
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The present article states "In 1907, Australian swimmer and performer Annette Kellermann was arrested on a Boston beach for wearing form-fitting sleeveless one-piece knitted swimming tights that covered her from neck to toe, a costume she adopted from England,". In fact, no such arrest took place. There are no contemporary news reports of it or police records corroborating the event. Kellermann herself did not tell the story until the 1920s. Many accounts give a different location (such as New Jersey) or different dates. Several histories of bathing suits agree that the story (even though attested to by Kellermann herself) is not true. I agree -- I researched this for my book Lost Wonderland, which covers Kellermann's visit to Revere (which took place in 1908, not 1907). -- Stephen R. Wilk Stephen Wilk ( talk) 13:14, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
"Meanwhile, the bikini had become the most popular beachwear around the globe." I assume this should read "... the most popular woman's beachwear ...." And I wonder if it is even correct for women, considering the beachwear in India, the Koreas, Iran, and the many women and girls in Western countries who wear one-piece swimsuits. Kdammers ( talk) 18:43, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
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The bikini tan section was removed, and I restored it. The bikini tan is valid, common and established concept. I see no reason for its removal. If anyone finds a reason, please, discuss. If that reason is valid, it may be removed again. Aditya( talk • contribs) 10:20, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
The Commons have some good diagrams of waxing styles. Highly usable. Aditya( talk • contribs) 11:34, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
BASF's bikini was a failed prototype. Day-Glo was not used. Sunblock factor was not variable. Sanctuary's polymer was not used for bikinis. 1991 invention was not cited in 1983 book. So, the final paragraph was almost entirely incorrect. Let's improve a Good Article by leaving out the bogus info! — Patrug ( talk) 06:33, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
Also: The 2009 product was a trivial variation of the 1969 innovation. UVC radiation doesn't reach the earth's surface. 1993–2008 medical references are superseded by 2011–2015. Hope this helps. — Patrug ( talk) 06:50, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
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Not gonna change it without consensus, but is that lead image REALLY the best lead image? You can barely see the bikini in it, it's so tiny. It seems to be more the sort of picture that a sex-starved drooling teenage boy would choose for personal pleasure, than a serious encyclopaedic image. Personally, I thought the original lede image was far better - it's far more realistic and representative, and definitely less blatantly exploitative. Mabalu ( talk) 00:06, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
Peter, you keep removing a higher quality photograph for a lower quality one, claiming the latter is more neutral, which I think just means you prefer it. But the former is a perfectly valid image of bikinis; it's just not sexual in any way. And you're moving the New Jersey image into "Outside the Western world." SarahSV (talk) 22:56, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
I don't think you can underplay tankinis and monokinis in a section about bikini variants. Too much of that decisions comes from "eye candy" and not enough from mainstream and/or academic sources. Aditya( talk • contribs) 12:59, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
Detailed information about bikini waxing in this article is highly questionable. A brief mention of the phenomenon may be warranted, but extensive information, along with illustrations of actual pubic hair styles is clearly WP:UNDUE. Pubic hair removal is about specific ideals related to women's bodies which is a separate topic.
The issue of women's pubic hair removal is not even specifically tied to just bikinis, but any similarly designed swimsuit bottoms and underwear in general. It's not much more relevant here than in any article on women's garments. It's pretty much the equivalent of expounding on topics like whale tail or camel toe.
Peter Isotalo 08:12, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
A section on bikini waxing clearly belongs in an article titled "Bikini." As for how much should be in the section, the section should comply with WP:Summary style. It should be an adequate summary of the Bikini waxing article. Flyer22 Reborn ( talk) 23:37, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
Now you are angry. By the way, I had figured out the context already. Though I didn't know that it had such a discussion. Anyways, even a "remove all images unclothed women" approach can not hold. Because, it had only diagrams, not really unclothed women. We can take this to the community, of which S39 is also a part. Aditya( talk • contribs) 10:34, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
SlimVirgin, regarding this, I don't think the slimmed down version is a better lead. This is a big article, and the former lead summarized the most important aspects well. Furthermore, as has been a matter of dispute at this article before (see Talk:Bikini/Archive 2#Men's bikinis), the term bikini can also refer to a man's swimsuit, which is why the word usually was there in the lead sentence, and a hidden note that I created stated the following: NOTE: The term "usually" is used because "bikini" can also refer to a man's swimsuit."
It's also why the following was included later in the lead: "A man's brief swimsuit may also be referred to as a bikini." The "Bikini underwear" section discusses men's wear in addition to women's wear, and there is a Men's bikini section right after that. So to not state anything about men's wear in the lead seems off.
Sure, Aditya Kabir added a lot to the article, but it's a topic that covers a lot, and Aditya Kabir did a nice job bringing the article to WP:GA status. Flyer22 Reborn ( talk) 06:42, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
Merriam-Webster is generally considered a pretty reliable source. -- GRuban ( talk) 23:34, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
Graham11, regarding this tag you added, what parts of the lead contain information that is not included elsewhere in the article? Or did you rather mean to add a tag requesting that the lead be expanded? Flyer22 Reborn ( talk) 23:05, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
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The following projects have been remvoed by the same editor, and reinstated by me. Why should they be remvoed - they seem valid, and the only justification so far is an edit summary of "Bikinis are sometimes worn by preteens" which is utterly irrelevant to the topic. An obvious response is - why does this justify removal from the projects?
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I'll not be reverting again in order to avoid editwarring, but I see no reason for the removal so far. Repeated removal would be disruptive. Chaheel Riens ( talk) 19:11, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
I was viewing Pinterest, Shutterstock, and Google and other social media sites and saw a lot social media snaps/videos of various women riding skateboards in their bikinis. Considering that we have mentioned surfing in a bikini, I was thinking of showcasing other sports as well because it would be great to promote the article from a good article to a featured article. I am not a skateboarder myself, but a lot of my friends used to be, so hence why I have some decent knowledge on that subject and want to contribute to spruce the article up with some updated information as a lot of them seem outdated to standards. Hope that is ok :). I always want to ask before commmencing action. Trying this new BDR method. If its a problem, please let me know but I like to do my part to help out. Majority of images have not been replaced -- EurovisionNim (talk to me) (see my edits) 03:27, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
If I read reference 8 (Agrawala, P.K. (1983)) correctly, Mellaart is actually talking about the site Hacilar, not Çatalhöyük. 37.138.65.238 ( talk) 15:25, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
There are around 43 images in this article at the moment. I think it can be just as well represented with less. Do others have an opinion?
Hmmmm...pictures make the article better so no... Elmortisproe ( talk) 15:22, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
There is already an image captioned "A woman wearing a purple bikini at the beach" near the top of the article. What benefit does adding a similar image captioned "American fitness model Jennifer Nicole Lee in red bikini" have? Useight ( talk) 15:28, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
Australian Paula Stafford designed and released the bikini in 1943 at the Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia. This is 3 years before Jacques Heim released his design in France. See [1] Ptilinopus ( talk) 09:02, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
What about the postcard that inspired Arthur Kniebler to create men’s briefs in 1935? It featured a French man in a bikini brief style bathing suit, supposedly Blu Moon ( talk) 21:36, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
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The present article states "In 1907, Australian swimmer and performer Annette Kellermann was arrested on a Boston beach for wearing form-fitting sleeveless one-piece knitted swimming tights that covered her from neck to toe, a costume she adopted from England,". In fact, no such arrest took place. There are no contemporary news reports of it or police records corroborating the event. Kellermann herself did not tell the story until the 1920s. Many accounts give a different location (such as New Jersey) or different dates. Several histories of bathing suits agree that the story (even though attested to by Kellermann herself) is not true. I agree -- I researched this for my book Lost Wonderland, which covers Kellermann's visit to Revere (which took place in 1908, not 1907). -- Stephen R. Wilk Stephen Wilk ( talk) 13:14, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
"Meanwhile, the bikini had become the most popular beachwear around the globe." I assume this should read "... the most popular woman's beachwear ...." And I wonder if it is even correct for women, considering the beachwear in India, the Koreas, Iran, and the many women and girls in Western countries who wear one-piece swimsuits. Kdammers ( talk) 18:43, 16 September 2022 (UTC)