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Please add new archivals to Talk:Bigfoot/Archive04. (See Wikipedia:How to archive a talk page.) Thank you. DreamGuy 17:32, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
As respected Wikians, please add to the intro statement that the alleged Bigfoot has many regional names, and that the alleged Bigfoot is seen and reported (allegedly) in China,,Russia, Australia and South America. (Ref. Green, --146,147) this book is in the sources list below in article.
Your goal,I think, is to improve the article and not just be a "reverter".
Bunchofraisins
Thanks for putting together something cogent. — Bunchofgrapes ( talk) 19:18, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
There is very little. No bones, no body. Just tracks, hairs, human contacts. I can add paranormal accounts, but wiki opponents should NOT take these as proof, since they are not offered as proof. It must be remembered that this is a SOFT SUBJECT, and unproven, and we investigators are trying to make sense of it, such as theory on Bigfoot People with NO knowledge of this topic,keep your sticky hands off the page.
beckjord Beckjord 17:47, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
Go to this link: Malaysian Bigfoot This is a link from a UPI article about a Bigfoot or related creature seen in Malaysia. Martial Law 09:55, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
Is this credible ? Should I add this to the links section ? Martial Law 10:13, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
beckjord Beckjord 17:49, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
Martial Law 10:23, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
Can't comfirm this, nor deny it, just seen it on the Fox News Network a while back. Martial Law 10:28, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
If this article is protected, why is there no protected tag on it? I assume it's sprotected? User:Zoe| (talk) 21:30, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
Ah there are more from Johor, Malaysia, my hometown! look at this from The star dated May 25:
"He said two teams of 10 experts from different fields would be tasked to search for the mythical creature.
“Since talk of the Bigfoot started, we have been compiling additional information for the past three months,” said Abdul Ghani after launching the Johor Baru International Orchid Show 2006 at Danga Bay yesterday.
When asked about the publication of books on the existence of the Bigfoot, he said the state government did not prohibit such work.
One of the upcoming books would be by local biodiversity and environment expert Vincent Chow collaborating with other writers.
However, Abdul Ghani said the state government is gathering information from more reliable sources. "
Awesome huh!
Is this what you're referring to ? Bigfoot on Animal X
More data to follow. Just remaim civil, User:Beckjord. Android79, this link appears to be zoological in nature. Is it safe to add to the other links ? Martial Law 22:27, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
What of the Cryptozoology link, which is Cryptozoology Homepage ? Martial Law 22:41, 26 January 2006 (UTC) By the way, that was my wallet throwing up, not me. Appreciate the assisstance. Martial Law 22:43, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
Once again, much of the article lacks reliable sources.
I added {{ totallydisputed-section}} to the section on UFO speculation. Unfortunately, I don't have time to comb through the rest of the article; I suggest a liberal sprinkling of {{ fact}} tags, and then we can go through them a section at a time. android 79 22:21, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
User:Beckjord may have a point about the alien bigfoot. Just done a Google Search: Bigfoot and Wormholes. There are nearly 10,000 websites and data sites concerning this matter. Three or four are claims made by User:Beckjord, the others are from websites that have independent info. about this matter. Am investigating this one. Martial Law 22:52, 26 January 2006 (UTC) :o
There are exactly 9,310 websites and data sites about this subject. Martial Law 22:56, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
Have you seen the show Sliders ? Martial Law 23:34, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
Yes, it is. Allegedly, it is based on Michio Kaku's work. Go to Michio Kaku's Website for more. Just trying to find out what User:Beckjord is trying to state. Martial Law 01:58, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
>>>>No,no, no.... Sliders and a current series that has people jumping thru a round circle of water like material, (forgot name) are fiction that is based on the wormhole THEORY.(Transverse wormholes) (not proven fact.) What is wrong with that? There are also movies based on the Theory of Time travel. So what?
Joe S.
..>>>>>> no, since it is not, since Bigfoot does not stand around waiting for instrumentrs to be set up. But it is a good indicator that the creature went somewhere, not on this Earth, unles it has hidden wings, or a totally silent CIA helicopter. Int is an INDICATOR of possible wormhole travel. What Kaku says about ufos using WH is that it is speculation,
He never said it was proven. You idiots. If it were proven, nobody wouod bnother reading it HERE, they would see in the NY Times.
beckjord Beckjord 06:36, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
ho ho ho>
AND WHERE DID I SAY IT WAS SETTLED?
Get outdoors, do research, then open your mouth. 50% of all skeptics who went Bigfoot hunting became believers.
Beckjord Beckjord 06:36, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
EB has evidence to support his theory. This is in the form of:
1) disappearances in front of witnesses, including separately, EB himself (reference,
Thom Powell in The Locals, listed in the sources area of the Bigfoot article.
2) Tracks that end in snow, as documented by researcher Brian Smith on video, as referenced by the on-agfain, off-again external link disappearing tracks
(also witnessed in separate events by EB, and researcher Shelly Binkleley, and WASH State Highway Patrolman Mark Pittenger (retired).)
3) It is unfortunate that Android and Dreamguy are both non-readers and are knee-jerk skeptics. Their relentless persecution of this article is amazing, based on their total LACK of any reading on the topic. A major flaw in Wiki. The gross bias, (see above comments by Android) is remarkable. They could not be more biased and ignorant if they had tried. Perhaps a year of so in a Jr College? I wonder if they have even read ANY of EB's website, [1] which gets 1000 hits a day, one of the highest of all the Bigfoot websites not counting one run by a fraud artist and hoaxer who happens to be tops in I.T. Run a google search, Android, on Beckjord and you will find thousands of references, some critical, and some fraudulant but most favorable.
Joe Stalinheart of the editing committee on Bigfoot
Just did a Google Search on "Bigfoot and UFOs". there are 660,000 websites and data sites that discuss Bigfoot and UFOs. Martial Law 23:46, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
Both Google Searches even indicate that religious fundamentalists believe that these are demons and/or "of The Devil", while the New Age movement says that these are Spirit Guides. It is surprising what is found. Martial Law 23:58, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
But consider the story of the campers along with it. "Wet dog" smell is often found when people begin to tell Bigfoot stories.
Joe Stalinheart
See the Wikipedia article: Demon, Re.:Demons in the Hebrew Bible, 2nd paragraph, 13th word in italics, the word se'irim, which means "Hairy Beings". It that a Bigfoot ? Martial Law 04:33, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
This website favors the position that this creature may be a demon and/or "of The Devil. It is Bible Life Homepage. Martial Law 19:23, 28 January 2006 (UTC) Here, it is Bible Life's position on Bigfoot Martial Law 19:25, 28 January 2006 (UTC) This link has secondary links to other Biblical sites as well. Martial Law 19:33, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
It is vital you grasp that I do not say nor claim that Bigfoot is real, nor that it exists as a physical zoological thing. And most field workers also do not claim that Bigfoot is a proven fact. Nor do we say it in the Bigfoot article. (npov) right?
We are TRYING TO FIND OUT what it is. We talk about our searches and our speculations.
By so talking, we do not violate npov.We speculate, we make hypotheses, we make theories. We do NOT state anything is proven.
Do you understand this??????????????
It is all imho, or ioho and fwiw.
Do you get it?
We have never stated in the article that Bigfoot exists, nor that it is a proven fact.
Because it is not proven. We know that. We are working to find proof.
DO-YOU-GET-THAT?
PLEASE REPLY HERE SO WE KNOW YOU GRASP THIS CONCEPT. You think we are trying to force Bigfoot on the readers as a proven thing. This is NOT true. Bigfoot is NOT proven.
Beckjord 205.208.227.49 09:47, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
I am trying to reach two people, maybe you too, to show them that their feeling that I was trying to sneak in some feeling that Bigfoot was a proven fact, is not correct. I never asked them to use that paragraph IN the article. It is overview, for their brains to absorb. You also.
I think there should be a mandatory and proven educational level required to edit. No BA,no edit. Paper bought degrees not allowed.
beckjord Beckjord 21:34, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
They need independent evidence, yet favorable to your position on Bigfoot. My Google search has revealed this evidence. Martial Law 20:57, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
Since you and your personnel are here, User:Beckjord, do a Google Search on the creature, wormholes, UFOs, religion, Interdimensional, and you'll see what I've found. 3 or 4 data sites refer to your website, yet the rest are from other sources. Martial Law 21:08, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
Got it?
Beckjord Beckjord 21:36, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
Who or what is "the Edit Committee" ? Martial Law 21:26, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
>>>Ruby, DG, why in God's Heaven should I care what you think?
Beckjord Beckjord 06:21, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
First independent evidence of what User:Beckjord is stating ? First independent evidence of Bigfoot using a wormhole ?! Martial Law 01:07, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
Paranormal News Homepage Martial Law 23:59, 28 January 2006 (UTC) Applicable link is this one: Paranoemal News section: Cryptozoology Martial Law 00:01, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
WHAT is a beeping Bigfoot ? Sounds like it is a robot or a automatonic device. Martial Law 02:31, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
noT PROVEN, but researcher Shelly Binkeley of OR, reports it with witnesses, around her camp, and next day BF tracks found in mud, which vanished with no hard ground to jump to. BIRO has copies of sound, which are similar to a backing up truck, but no such trucks can get up a mountan trail.
vincent K
Maybe the truck was dropped by helo. That's no stranger than wormhole theories. Ruby 22:23, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
I have added the link to Beckjord's website since he seems dead set on having it there. He emailed me and asked that I do a number of things but this is the only one I'm doing. If anyone else thinks it doesn't belong here, then expain why and take it out...it appears to be pure speculation, but has a few images of interest to some. What we won't do is support Beckjord using his own article to add information to this page in the article area as that would violate WP:NOR...but his website is only a bit more POV than some of the others listed here.-- MONGO 09:12, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
Have to go report the same bug again. This thing causes registered users to appear to have sockpuppets. Heading to WP:AN and WP:BUG again. Martial Law 09:19, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
PLease add as you wish to Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Beckjord/Evidence. I already spammed a few on their talk pages, so let's get this over with please.-- MONGO 13:23, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
This article needs some cleaning up, particularly per MOS and OMLTARTTC.
There is also a fair amount of redlinks, which should be removed. I was going to do it myself but noticed some redlinks like John Napier were formatted as if someone was going to go and write an article about the individual but never got around to it.
In any case, I just thought I’d give a heads up and some time for anyone who wants to start an article for any of the redlinks before they’re removed. Regards, -- Every1blowz 16:18, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
He was supposed to be employed by the NY Museum of Natural History, but they never heard of him. SIR John Napier is dead. Someone add edit "the late Sir John Napoer" also "the late Dr. Grover Krantz of WSU". It is important to let readers know who is current and who is DEAD.
PLEASE ADD EDITS.
felix
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'What is a "talking Bigfoot" and who are these "Skeptics of Bigfoot" ? Martial Law 00:42, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
There are a group of serious researchers out there who are trying to do serious research and studies into this subject of bigfoot. There is evidence out there, if you are willing to look for it, of the possible existence of a animal called Bigfoot or Sasquatch.
But after 5 yrs, I learned that their POV was untenable. Other alternatives became more tenable.
And Marcus -- 99% of those people DO NOT GO OUT OF THE HOUSE. I know them. 90% of them. And of those who do go out, 99% never saw Bigfoot, ever. Call me and I will explain. 415-289-=2277.
Beckjord Beckjord 07:09, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
There are those who believe and have accepted that it is a flesh and blood animal.
They HAVE NO BASIS. Show me a dead body.
Beckjord Beckjord 07:09, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
Not like some who believe it is a alien, a robot, or even a shapeshifter. I believe that where this line of "research" comes from is a mixture of misunderstanding and misinterpretation of facts and what is seen and not seen.
I have not misunderstood anything, nor have my associates of like mind. And they have names, unlike you.
beckjord Beckjord 07:09, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
People start looking into the native american legends and lore and see or read more into it than what it really means.
Research shows the Indians are largely correct.
Beckjord Beckjord 07:09, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
We apply the standards of today into something that you must put into perspective of the time it was written. People thought and spoke differently than what we do now.
They say the same in 2006.
beckjord Beckjord 07:09, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
They tried to make sense out of what they saw with the limited knowledge and understanding of the incident.
They were largely accurate. I tested it. What right have you to "talk down" to my Indian friends?
Beckjord Beckjord 07:09, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
What our friend EB is trying to do present a side of the story that is not widely accepted by most of serious researchers out there.
What is a =SERIOUS RESEARCHER= ?
Someone who never saw a Bigfoot, usually.
This is getting amusing.
beckjord Beckjord 07:09, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
It is hard to argue with someone who believes rather than someone who is skeptical of the topic at hand.
..>>>>> i NEVER SAID I "believe". I simply offered a theory.
You do not read what I say correctly.
beckjord Beckjord 07:20, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
always was, and found the zoological idea was NO GOOD.
Have you ever talked to me? Hey? Do you know me? No.
Call me and discuss. 510-633-2526. Got BASIC BALLS TO TALK ON PHONE? Most do not, are afraid to even say who they are. Only 2% of all wikians list their real name.
beckjord Beckjord 07:09, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
I think the Admin's here are doing a fine job in trying to keep a neutral point of view here.
They do not understrand NPOV at all. Cannot apply it, cannot read it where it rises. beckjord Beckjord 07:09, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
That is what is needed because the average reader can draw their own conclusions or seek the information elsewhere. MarcusTCicero 03:46, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
User:Beckjord, you and your people will have to be civil. Some of the editors on here are women, such as User:Ruby, and they don't need to see that kind of language. You're too much of a gentleman and a MENSA member to be using uncivil language. I'm only being truthful, no more, no less. Martial Law 05:05, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
You and your people should apologise to these editors, and you and your people need to refrain from using vulger language like that. A apology now could go a long way here. Martial Law 06:28, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
These are:
New Bigfoot website. Martial Law 05:49, 30 January 2006 (UTC) Sasquatch , Bigfoot Sounds
Thought I had seen it all. I was incorrect. Martial Law 06:12, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
I've finally read these items, and I find the so-called violations by me, are really minor errors on wording, such as how one must say (says NPOV)
"except to say, "So-and-so argues that ____________, and therefore, ___________." This can be done with a straight face, with no moral compunctions, because you are attributing the claim to "
So, I'll try it. (just one of many points I will raise)
I can say: "Beckjord (using 3rd person, as per NPOV) argues that the so-called Bigfoot may be a strange life-form and not a zoological species, and that therefore both skeptics and zoological adhereents may be incorrect as to what these creatures may be."
I can then quote from one of the publications or websites where this is published, as a source.
This is legit.
Further, since none of the editors who appear here are credible,and have no open names, nor degrees, none can decide what publications are reputable or credible, except experts like myself or others who may appear, with names and credibility and degrees.
Note from Wikipedia:encyclopedia
"However Wikipedia's articles are not necessarily peer reviewed and many of those articles are of a trivial nature. Legitimate concerns have been raised as to the (validity of the writing)."
Further, "Traditional encyclopedias are written by a number of employed text writers, usually people with an academic degree, "
NOTE: ACADEMIC DEGREE. Not high school drop-outs and pizza boys with no names.
and the interactive aspect of the Net does not, does not,
make it OK for just anyone to edit. That is a major, bigtime fallacy of Wikipedia. Most of you do not know beans about the Bigfoot topic, and you ought to back off. Especially DG and Android who show, imho, a biased and mal*cious intent, perhaps misguided.
IMHO, you people do not understand NPOV nor NOR. Maybe I did not either, but now I am rewriting my edits so they fit into NPOV. And yes, I CAN quote my own research, as long as I quote a spource where it was published, in print or on the web.
Once again, DreamGuy and Android79, get the H*ll out.
Now, re experts:
Wikipedia says:
QUOTE:
"Experts:
The role of expert editors "No original research" does not mean that experts on a specific topic cannot contribute to Wikipedia. On the contrary, Wikipedia welcomes experts. We assume, however, that someone is an expert not only because of their personal and direct knowledge of a topic, but because of their knowledge of published sources on a topic. This policy prohibits expert editors from drawing on their personal and direct knowledge if such knowledge is unverifiable. If an expert editor has published the results of his or her research elsewhere, in a reputable publication, the editor can cite that source while writing in the third person and complying with our NPOV policy. They must cite publications, and may not use their unpublished knowledge as a source of information (which would be impossible to verify). "
So, I, as an expert (30 yrs) CAN quote my work if it is "verifiable", which means written down somewhere in a journal, a newsletter, in private communication to another expert, or a website, INCLUDING MY OWN. All I need to do is use 3rd person.
GOT IT?
beckjord Beckjord 06:50, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
will look. Now, Marcus, go visit http://www.bigfoot.org OK? \
beckjord
Beckjord
07:25, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
If you lay off the obscene language, follow Wikipedia protocol, this link is for you: Sasquatch Research Center. This links to other Bigfoot links. I may also use this as a external link, once I get it checked out as well. Martial Law 08:35, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
and any that list Coleman have to be bad.
98% of all BF sites have NO AUTHOR.
Trust no one who does not exist. Even ML. Mongo has email, why not ML?
edit committee.
Can I get this link checked ? It is Native American Designations for Bigfoot/Sasquatch Martial Law 08:54, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
Site is this John Green's Bigfoot Information Project Can I get someone to examine this site as well ? Martial Law 09:53, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
User:Beckjord, This appears to be John Green's website. Enjoy. Martial Law 09:56, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
He is quoted there, but it is run by total newbies who do not do field work. Their owner is a guy in UK who deletes aLL TALK OF ANY ALTERNATIVE THEORIES from his forum. No advanced post-1968 thinking at all.
95% of all BF websites are run by anonymous nobodies who do not do research. This is not a field like beer making or steel making. It is a weird field full of idiot teenagers. Virtually none have any competence. Learn this, ML.
Jackson __________________________________
If this is a bad link, Google search: Sasquatch/John Green. There is a lot of Bigfoot info there you may be interested in. Martial Law 10:20, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
I've fixed this link for you man. As earlier stated, my E-mail is OUT OF ORDER. The link above is a real bombshell. Martial Law 10:25, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
>>>>>ML - stop the l*es. You can make a new email in 45 sec with Hotmail or Yahoo. Stop lying. Mongo and Zoe can email to people, so can you.
Jackson
This has to be Brian Brown called Bipto, who does no field work. He is an IT guy in Minneapolis, and the fact you know him is meaningless. He lets newbies run riot on his forum and intellectuals are pilloried.
Marcus, you may mean well, but you are deluded by the wrong people, and you actually think the __majority__ has to be right. The majority does not leave the house! Personally, Brian Brown is an uptight j**k like the bad guys on this page. His forum is a huge exercise in repression. Don't care how nice he is to you over coffee, on the net he becomes a Hitl*r.
Jackson
and who is that? We know the major players, and 90% of them do not respect him. Also, 98% of the ACTUAL researchrs, not just emailers, have NEVER SEEN BIGFOOT.
I think I know you, from Bipto's forum. You like to talk about the "Research Community" as if every kid with email meant anything. There are only about 150 or less people who do any research at all. The 3000 kids on Bipto's forum are NOT a research community.
Jackson
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1. http://www.bfro.net/gdb/ 2. http://www.rfthomas.clara.net/papers/zhou.html 3. http://www.rfthomas.clara.net/papers/groves.html 4. http://www.rfthomas.clara.net/papers/abominable.html 5. http://www.bigfootencounters.com/sbs/sbs.html 6. http://www.bigfootencounters.com/sbs/other.html
I've begun adding {{ fact}} to statements that don't have sources (and, in some cases, to statements that did have sources, but were unclear). I've focused on statements that are probably the most contentious; ideally, every statement would have a reference, but some of the more "obvious" or common-knowledge facts can do without for now.
I did this up until the "Evidence" section. This section needs a major re-write, as does most of the rest of the article from that section on. It reads far too much like a point-counterpoint between skeptics and believers. Instead of offering "for" arguments and then countering them with "against" arguments for each separate concept, we should synthesize the arguments from both sides into a coherent paragraph or two. Thoughts?
We should also decide on a consistent method/style of citing sources. As it stands now, there are footnotes and references and several different styles of citing both.
android
79
14:55, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
Uhh, this cleanup I just did was completely nullified by Every1Blowz, who apparently was working off of an older version of the article; this went so far as to reinstate the sprotected tag. Please try to reconcile your changes with mine. android 79 15:45, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
For "Researchers point out that these common factors indicate patterns of a living species occupying an ecological niche, as opposed to hoaxed sightings" under eyewitness reports - http://www.texasbigfoot.com/habitat.html
For the odor citation and description/appearance citation: http://www.bfro.net/gdb/show_FAQ.asp?id=585
For the vocalizations citation: http://www.texasbigfoot.com/vocalizations.html
Once again, Beckjord has blind-reverted all changes back to a preferred version, with the edit summary "Newbies to Bigfoot should discuss their edit issues with me before going ahead. In email, or talk page. I am not going away, face it, and I am the only expert in Wiki on this." Beckjord, along with a few edits you may have found objectionable, you also reverted countless formatting and spelling corrections. You do not own this article. android 79 20:18, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
" I only revert when uninformed people revert first, as Android did. It is HE who wasted the other people's work. Basically, EDIT, do not revert. (Bonk!)
I assume some of you work on good faith. I believe a few of you do not.
You know who you are. It pains me to see the edits of good faith editors
get ruined by reverts by the bad guys, who are just flat-222 lazy and
find a total revert just easy to use.
I want to work with the good faith people, and if they have some edit issue, why not discuss it HERE, as we are supposed to do, or else email me, as Mongo does, at rudy@stealthaccess.net . I am not against aLL new edits. Some are good.
But I will ask you this: "If you do a lot of work, edits, and then find ten in later somebody with no expertise in the topic, (an encyclopedist is SUPPOSED TO BE AN EXPERT, not just anyone) has doine a total revert back to __his__ version, well, what is one likely to do? Let it be? No way, Jose. So reverting like that is simply an invitation to revert back.
>>>>>>Got it?<<<<<<<<<<
So let the two j*rks here memorize that.
I am a professional, I am an expert of sorts, I have 30 years in this topic as a field worker, I run sevceral websites and discussion groiups on this topic, I am published, and you would be best advised to work with me, because
So discuss issues here, or in email. Reverting is an insult. - EB "
sent by Jim Jackson
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He says Wiki says:
"Hyperlinking between conceptually related items is also a significant benefit. On-line encyclopedias offer the additional advantage of being (potentially) dynamic: new information can be presented almost immediately, rather than waiting for the next release of a static format (as with a disk- or paper-based publication)."
This means websites can be listed as references. As for a "mill", you have no expertise to decide that. Get a name, (and a life) first. Your statements and judgments have no merit. I do not accept you as an authority on anything."
so sayeth the master.
Jackson
there is no working things out with you maniacs.
We on the commitee will return in rotating shifts, and undo all you did. Over and over and over. You will "win" only five in or 30 min at a time. then, BINGO, back it goes.
Make edit suggestions in talk pages, and we may approve some. Then WE will put them in. And yes, we do own this article.
Jackson
In that case, I have semi-protected this article. android 79 22:22, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
Wikipia is a general encyclopedia, not a scientific journal and not a scholarly encyclopedia.
This the reputability of references is not as strict.
Remember this Android79.
Paul Jones
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Lost your E-mail user:Beckjord. Martial Law 00:09, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
Semi-protected again ?! I need a tylenol the size of Bigfoot. Martial Law 01:24, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
Call off this new war, or the Admins may permanently lock down the article. This is the Wikipedia version of Martial Law. In this, only the Admins may edit this article, and other editors, such as myself will have to beg them to accept any suggestions, and hope that they'll add them to the article. Martial Law 01:49, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
The anti-"Troll" law may be in effect. Rumor has it that a $250,000 fine is imposed, and/or a two year prison sentence is also imposed. Do a Google search: Anti-Troll Law. Am investigating this matter. Martial Law 03:35, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
This is NOT a rumor. wikipedia has material on the article Internet troll. Being a troll is now a FEDERAL criminal offense, and a felony. Martial Law 03:40, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
Still investigating. Martial Law 03:41, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
Hey, I did some poking around to figure out what school was meant by "University of Maryland" (there are five schools with this name). It turns out, nobody at any of the five has any record of this person as either faculty or student. Further, when I clicked the citation, it went to a 404. I strongly suggest this reference be removed as it is, unequivocally, bogus. - James Howard ( talk/ web) 03:47, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
1970s anthro professor at U MD College Park. He did work with Ellis Kerly.
see website magazine article that Bishonen keeps deleting.
http://www.beckjord.com/bigfoot/b&h.html Frontiers of Science Magazine re BF hairs.
zuzy q
BF tried to break into a house, broke a window and cut himself, and left hair as well.
zuzie
"Introduction to the primates, living and fossil"
Prentice Hall, 1974,
zoozie
Insiders view of Wikipedia.
http://www.network54.com/hide/forum/170755
GIve your views.
Kent
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?! Martial Law 06:52, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
Since the US military controls several kilo-hectares of land, don't like any intruders, are there any military related encounters on record ? Martial Law 06:52, 1 February 2006 (UTC)`
Found this: Soldier's Bigfoot account in Viet Nam War Martial Law 04:09, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
Where do I place military personnel's encounters w/ Bigfoot in the article ? Martial Law 04:20, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
Had a keypad glitch. Martial Law 07:23, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
Can this be inserted ?
Not the NY Times, but they may sell the NY Times next to the Weekly World News. The NY Times have been scandalized. Martial Law 00:32, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
LA Wookie 1 LA Wookie 2 Listed as the Honey Island Swamp Monster and/or as the Louisiana Wookie LA Wookie 3
Since this creature is in this area, figured that these should have a look at this. NO offense, apologise if I had been in error. Martial Law 04:30, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
Special note: The location has alligators, poisonous snakes, other hazards. Martial Law 04:33, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
Tons of Newspaper and Magazine articles about this thing. Can this be placed ? Martial Law 08:02, 2 February 2006 (UTC) :)
Please see this link: Answers.com and Bigfoot
This is all about the creature, even has a section as to what to do if YOU spot one.
Can I get this link, the military links, the newspaper links examined, persuant to the s-protect protocol ? Martial Law 02:12, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
Can the www.answers.com/topic/bigfoot link be placed in the article ?
Martial Law
02:18, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
Can it be stated that if the reader has seen one, smelled one, they can use the external links ? Martial Law 07:31, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
Witnesses can contact the BIRO group, at http://www.bigfoot.org which is a No-kill group.
Admins are asked to restore this link. In fact, ML should add this link himself. You do not need to kiss anyone's @@@ here. Be your own man.
After all, "Wikipedia, the encyclopedia that anyone can edit." Right? Jump in, get your feet wet, you know as much as anyone here on edits. Go,ML, go !
bozo2
Not true. Martial Law can edit.
When others ignore you, or do a bad job, then do it yourself! Beckjord
What is "BIRO" ? This is for the record, no more, no less. Martial Law 09:42, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
Bigfoot Researchers & Investigators Org.
BIRO.
Bigfoot.org is short and simple. You just click on link inside. Then you get to Bigfoot Heaven.
If your time is so valuable, why come here to view something that can never be proven?
Now if you indeed have done some 2000-3000 edits, I'd say your time is going cheap.
Never forget that Wikipedia is NOT a scholarly pedia. It is a general pedia.
Still, it is better than Encarta and on Bigfoot, it is better than Britannica. Grant ya that.
I finally located the fact that Stephen Rosen was an associate professor of anthropology at the University of Maryland... [9] and that he did publish a book titled "Introduction to the Primates - Living and Fossil"...I need Beckjord to no explain to me what is in this book that is significant to Bigfoot, before I spend my money and buy it...it is not in print anymore...so it'll be used.-- MONGO 10:20, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
Glad to see you finally found that Dr Rosen is real. :-) His book was cited to let you know he is an author and respected by others in his field. He has more hits in Google due to his Bigfoot hair analysis,using hairs I provided, than anything else he ever did. He is now retired.
Beckjord,Jon-Erik "The Bigfoot Evidence", pp22-29, Frontiers of Science Magazine,Vol. III,no.3,May 1981. Also Beckjord,Jon-Erik, "Bigfoot's Weird Blood",pp92-96, FATE Magazine, Aug 1989, ISBN 0014-8776.
In summary, a blood sample taken from the Lummi Indian Res. was analyzed by Dr. Vincent Sarich, UC Berkeley, and found to be "unknown higher primate". Hairs found with blood were analyzed by Drs Rosen and Kerley, Univ. of Md. and found to be "unknown higher primate" and were further found to match three other sets of unknowns forom OR,CA,&MD. These did not match any of the knowns in master set owned by Rosen, and were close to bear, gorilla and human, but were not either of those. These findings were also corroborated by forensic analyst Tom Moore of the Wyoming Fish and Game Lab. Similar work has continued with Dr. Henner Fahrenbach of the Oregon Regional Primate Center, Beaverton,OR.
Appearantly, I cannot quote my own work, even if published, but other people can quote it. So please do.
Fate Magazine exists today. Frontiers of Science is out of print. These are not on the internet as articles, but FATE has a website. Come to my house and read the articles in person. There is life outside the internet. Not finding a print article on the internet is no valid reason to deny a reference.
"Wickipedia, the encyclopedia that anyone can, but shouldn't, edit."
Listen Beckjord, if you want to edit the article at least edit it correctly. For one thing, your referencing format is an ugly mess, and it isn’t even compatible or consistent with the rest of the article, not to mention with Wikipedia guidelines. And it’s hard to read. Here’s what you’ve added repeatedly before it’s been deleted…
Beckjord, seriously, can’t you at least even bother to put in spaces when needed and use the appropriate Harvard referencing format? Is that really too much to ask? Would using two parentheses on either side really kill you? Or are you just too lazy to do it yourself and expect others to clean up the formatting for you?
If that’s the way you think and behave Beckjord than frankly none of your “contributions” are really needed.
Anyway, this time I went ahead and kept what you wrote except formatted it correctly. Do us all a favor and go read Wikipedia:Citing sources for next time, okay?
Also, I’ve temporarily removed…
Because I’m not sure what it’s supposed to reference and you didn’t bothered to clarify yourself when you edited the article. Tell me what those two contributions reference and I’ll add them back if other Wikipedians don't mind.
Secondly, I went ahead and removed your website from the external links section. Why? Because it was nothing short of your POV ramblings and it didn’t even have very good photos of an alleged Sasquatch like it promised (hardly a gallery), which is very misleading to anyone who’d actually visit the site. -- Every1blowz 20:44, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
I'm busy watching the superbowl, but I was told of this by you and I send in this comment:
1) I do years of research and I do not need to learn the Harvard system of referenceing as well, so it is very nice when you take the time to use your expertise in that to clean up. Thanks.
Posted by sam —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.69.139.148 ( talk • contribs) 02:51, February 6, 2006 (UTC)
I haven't found much...but here is essentially what I have been able to dig up. Vincent Sarich was a Professor at UC Berkley...I can find no reference that he ever met Erik Beckjord aside from what Erik has told me. Beckjord claims that Sarich anaylized blood retrived from a
[piece of glass from an Indian house window on the Lummi Indian} (edit)
reservation. According to Beckjord, Sarich identified the blood as being that from an "unknown higher primate". Beckjord then had a Dr. Stephen Rosen and a Dr. Ellis R. Kerley (both at the University of Maryland) examine hair samples associated with the same blood as well as unknown hair samples from at least 3 other locations and they, according to Beckjord, attributed them to "unknown primate". Tom Moore of the Wyoming Fish and Game lab also identified the hair samples as coming from an unknown primate. Without trying to, in any way, insult Beckjord, I need more than a link to Fate magazine..
{whatdo you expect after 20 years? Kerley is dead already.)
[indeed happen?] I do not
fabricate data.
and that hopefully somehwere in a more mainstream source, the findings were published. I am looking into this as I studied under Dr. Kerley at the University of Maryland, and know that he is one of the founding fathers, per se, of modern forensic anthropology. Dr. Kerley is deceased and Tom Moore retired from the Wyoming job he held for 4 decades just last year...I am not sure of Sarich or Rosen, but Rosen did leave the University of Maryland in the mid 1970's. I am attempting to contact Tom Moore as he was apparently also going to present his findings at a sort of Bigfoot conference, but was "ordered" to not do so by his superiors with the state of Wyoming. In a nutshell, I see no reason that this may be a true series of events, though they do not in themselves prove of the existence of Bigfoot, or of anything. But we are talking about mainstream, reputable scientists that certainly have weight in their professions. Beckjord, would it be possible for you to scan into your computer and then email me the front cover and idex page of the copy of Fate magazine and the other one you mention, along with the text of the articles that you wrote? I will continue to try and track down more information on these events as they are noteworthy in article space I believe, but I need more evidence.--
MONGO
06:45, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
I'm not lying. Sarich lives 10 miles from me now. He never put his findings into writing to keep HIS job, but he stated it to me, in his lab, in 1977. You had best learn now that these people __do not__ put such things on paper for fear of job loss.
But they said they wouid stand by it if anyone called them,etc. They never backed out.
Now, I can MAIL YOU, EGADS!!! Copies of the articles. Later, I can make jpgs of the pages. But hell, you can call up FATE MAG and ask them.
What is implied here is that you have to get more proof to see if I am lying. I do not lie about such things. I have my Eagle Scout rep. to uphold. Article has been on my site ten yrs. Send me a fax number and I will fax you the front pages. I see nothing sacred about the "privacy of the internet"... Re people have phone and fax. DO YOU?
Email me your fax.
Call me at 415-289-2277.
BTW.. there are no "mainstream" sources. The Mainstream is very careful to NOT TOUCH BIGFOOT WITH A 50 FT POLE. Dig? Ditto ufos. Dig??? Got it??? I was damn lucky to get those scientists to speak at all.
Want copy of artricles?
Send large SASE to me at box 9502,Berkeley,CA 94709.
THIS IS HOW RESEARCH IS DONE, not google.
Even if we can verify what Beckjord says is true I wouldn't add it in. The only problem we'd have here is that other Wikipedia readers who try to verify the material would have a lot of trouble, and probably even remove it when they think it's bogus. I'm not saying Beckjord is lying, it's just that it's not good to write about stuff that hasn't been peer-reviewed and can't be verified by others independently. -- Every1blowz 09:58, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
User:Beckjord, can you place all of your contact info here ? You said that people should contact you IF they had a run-in with a Bigfoot,UFO, that sort of thing. Martial Law 22:14, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
Should I place your link as a link supporting one of the Alternative Theories concerning Bigfoot ? I've heard of a UFO sighting in which bigfoot was actually seen with a UFO, and the thing was seen leaving the UFO. Martial Law 22:20, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
At 0200 hrs, EST, on 2-7-06, the History Channel has presented some material concerning Bigfoot and other monsters. Go to this link: Decoding The Past: Monsters The featured creatures incl. Bigfoot. Thought you guys may want to know this. Martial Law 07:04, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
One link says that a Bigfoot attacked 3 people, killing one, the other is for the Gulf Coast Bigfoot Research Organization. These are: This link says Bigfoot attacked 3, kills one. Also says it may be a animal.
Gulf Coast Bigfoot research Organization Martial Law 07:31, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
Forensic doc says Bigfoot is real !. Can this link be used ? Martial Law 07:49, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
From a Hunting Magazine: Hunting Bigfoot Martial Law 07:58, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
Martial Law 08:05, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
This link appears to be that of a really BAD joke involving a Bigfoot hoaxer. Let that person try that where I'm currently @. People here will kill tresspassers. Re.: Hunting/Sporting magazine link. Martial Law 08:19, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
You have really 3 links to "vet". Martial Law 08:19, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
Maybe I could place this in the hoax catagory ? Martial Law 08:21, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
I am not sure why you have links to Greg Long on this article but I think they would belong more with the Patterson-Gimlin film page. Since that book was more about that film. MarcusTCicero 10:38, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
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Please add new archivals to Talk:Bigfoot/Archive04. (See Wikipedia:How to archive a talk page.) Thank you. DreamGuy 17:32, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
As respected Wikians, please add to the intro statement that the alleged Bigfoot has many regional names, and that the alleged Bigfoot is seen and reported (allegedly) in China,,Russia, Australia and South America. (Ref. Green, --146,147) this book is in the sources list below in article.
Your goal,I think, is to improve the article and not just be a "reverter".
Bunchofraisins
Thanks for putting together something cogent. — Bunchofgrapes ( talk) 19:18, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
There is very little. No bones, no body. Just tracks, hairs, human contacts. I can add paranormal accounts, but wiki opponents should NOT take these as proof, since they are not offered as proof. It must be remembered that this is a SOFT SUBJECT, and unproven, and we investigators are trying to make sense of it, such as theory on Bigfoot People with NO knowledge of this topic,keep your sticky hands off the page.
beckjord Beckjord 17:47, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
Go to this link: Malaysian Bigfoot This is a link from a UPI article about a Bigfoot or related creature seen in Malaysia. Martial Law 09:55, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
Is this credible ? Should I add this to the links section ? Martial Law 10:13, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
beckjord Beckjord 17:49, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
Martial Law 10:23, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
Can't comfirm this, nor deny it, just seen it on the Fox News Network a while back. Martial Law 10:28, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
If this article is protected, why is there no protected tag on it? I assume it's sprotected? User:Zoe| (talk) 21:30, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
Ah there are more from Johor, Malaysia, my hometown! look at this from The star dated May 25:
"He said two teams of 10 experts from different fields would be tasked to search for the mythical creature.
“Since talk of the Bigfoot started, we have been compiling additional information for the past three months,” said Abdul Ghani after launching the Johor Baru International Orchid Show 2006 at Danga Bay yesterday.
When asked about the publication of books on the existence of the Bigfoot, he said the state government did not prohibit such work.
One of the upcoming books would be by local biodiversity and environment expert Vincent Chow collaborating with other writers.
However, Abdul Ghani said the state government is gathering information from more reliable sources. "
Awesome huh!
Is this what you're referring to ? Bigfoot on Animal X
More data to follow. Just remaim civil, User:Beckjord. Android79, this link appears to be zoological in nature. Is it safe to add to the other links ? Martial Law 22:27, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
What of the Cryptozoology link, which is Cryptozoology Homepage ? Martial Law 22:41, 26 January 2006 (UTC) By the way, that was my wallet throwing up, not me. Appreciate the assisstance. Martial Law 22:43, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
Once again, much of the article lacks reliable sources.
I added {{ totallydisputed-section}} to the section on UFO speculation. Unfortunately, I don't have time to comb through the rest of the article; I suggest a liberal sprinkling of {{ fact}} tags, and then we can go through them a section at a time. android 79 22:21, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
User:Beckjord may have a point about the alien bigfoot. Just done a Google Search: Bigfoot and Wormholes. There are nearly 10,000 websites and data sites concerning this matter. Three or four are claims made by User:Beckjord, the others are from websites that have independent info. about this matter. Am investigating this one. Martial Law 22:52, 26 January 2006 (UTC) :o
There are exactly 9,310 websites and data sites about this subject. Martial Law 22:56, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
Have you seen the show Sliders ? Martial Law 23:34, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
Yes, it is. Allegedly, it is based on Michio Kaku's work. Go to Michio Kaku's Website for more. Just trying to find out what User:Beckjord is trying to state. Martial Law 01:58, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
>>>>No,no, no.... Sliders and a current series that has people jumping thru a round circle of water like material, (forgot name) are fiction that is based on the wormhole THEORY.(Transverse wormholes) (not proven fact.) What is wrong with that? There are also movies based on the Theory of Time travel. So what?
Joe S.
..>>>>>> no, since it is not, since Bigfoot does not stand around waiting for instrumentrs to be set up. But it is a good indicator that the creature went somewhere, not on this Earth, unles it has hidden wings, or a totally silent CIA helicopter. Int is an INDICATOR of possible wormhole travel. What Kaku says about ufos using WH is that it is speculation,
He never said it was proven. You idiots. If it were proven, nobody wouod bnother reading it HERE, they would see in the NY Times.
beckjord Beckjord 06:36, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
ho ho ho>
AND WHERE DID I SAY IT WAS SETTLED?
Get outdoors, do research, then open your mouth. 50% of all skeptics who went Bigfoot hunting became believers.
Beckjord Beckjord 06:36, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
EB has evidence to support his theory. This is in the form of:
1) disappearances in front of witnesses, including separately, EB himself (reference,
Thom Powell in The Locals, listed in the sources area of the Bigfoot article.
2) Tracks that end in snow, as documented by researcher Brian Smith on video, as referenced by the on-agfain, off-again external link disappearing tracks
(also witnessed in separate events by EB, and researcher Shelly Binkleley, and WASH State Highway Patrolman Mark Pittenger (retired).)
3) It is unfortunate that Android and Dreamguy are both non-readers and are knee-jerk skeptics. Their relentless persecution of this article is amazing, based on their total LACK of any reading on the topic. A major flaw in Wiki. The gross bias, (see above comments by Android) is remarkable. They could not be more biased and ignorant if they had tried. Perhaps a year of so in a Jr College? I wonder if they have even read ANY of EB's website, [1] which gets 1000 hits a day, one of the highest of all the Bigfoot websites not counting one run by a fraud artist and hoaxer who happens to be tops in I.T. Run a google search, Android, on Beckjord and you will find thousands of references, some critical, and some fraudulant but most favorable.
Joe Stalinheart of the editing committee on Bigfoot
Just did a Google Search on "Bigfoot and UFOs". there are 660,000 websites and data sites that discuss Bigfoot and UFOs. Martial Law 23:46, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
Both Google Searches even indicate that religious fundamentalists believe that these are demons and/or "of The Devil", while the New Age movement says that these are Spirit Guides. It is surprising what is found. Martial Law 23:58, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
But consider the story of the campers along with it. "Wet dog" smell is often found when people begin to tell Bigfoot stories.
Joe Stalinheart
See the Wikipedia article: Demon, Re.:Demons in the Hebrew Bible, 2nd paragraph, 13th word in italics, the word se'irim, which means "Hairy Beings". It that a Bigfoot ? Martial Law 04:33, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
This website favors the position that this creature may be a demon and/or "of The Devil. It is Bible Life Homepage. Martial Law 19:23, 28 January 2006 (UTC) Here, it is Bible Life's position on Bigfoot Martial Law 19:25, 28 January 2006 (UTC) This link has secondary links to other Biblical sites as well. Martial Law 19:33, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
It is vital you grasp that I do not say nor claim that Bigfoot is real, nor that it exists as a physical zoological thing. And most field workers also do not claim that Bigfoot is a proven fact. Nor do we say it in the Bigfoot article. (npov) right?
We are TRYING TO FIND OUT what it is. We talk about our searches and our speculations.
By so talking, we do not violate npov.We speculate, we make hypotheses, we make theories. We do NOT state anything is proven.
Do you understand this??????????????
It is all imho, or ioho and fwiw.
Do you get it?
We have never stated in the article that Bigfoot exists, nor that it is a proven fact.
Because it is not proven. We know that. We are working to find proof.
DO-YOU-GET-THAT?
PLEASE REPLY HERE SO WE KNOW YOU GRASP THIS CONCEPT. You think we are trying to force Bigfoot on the readers as a proven thing. This is NOT true. Bigfoot is NOT proven.
Beckjord 205.208.227.49 09:47, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
I am trying to reach two people, maybe you too, to show them that their feeling that I was trying to sneak in some feeling that Bigfoot was a proven fact, is not correct. I never asked them to use that paragraph IN the article. It is overview, for their brains to absorb. You also.
I think there should be a mandatory and proven educational level required to edit. No BA,no edit. Paper bought degrees not allowed.
beckjord Beckjord 21:34, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
They need independent evidence, yet favorable to your position on Bigfoot. My Google search has revealed this evidence. Martial Law 20:57, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
Since you and your personnel are here, User:Beckjord, do a Google Search on the creature, wormholes, UFOs, religion, Interdimensional, and you'll see what I've found. 3 or 4 data sites refer to your website, yet the rest are from other sources. Martial Law 21:08, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
Got it?
Beckjord Beckjord 21:36, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
Who or what is "the Edit Committee" ? Martial Law 21:26, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
>>>Ruby, DG, why in God's Heaven should I care what you think?
Beckjord Beckjord 06:21, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
First independent evidence of what User:Beckjord is stating ? First independent evidence of Bigfoot using a wormhole ?! Martial Law 01:07, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
Paranormal News Homepage Martial Law 23:59, 28 January 2006 (UTC) Applicable link is this one: Paranoemal News section: Cryptozoology Martial Law 00:01, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
WHAT is a beeping Bigfoot ? Sounds like it is a robot or a automatonic device. Martial Law 02:31, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
noT PROVEN, but researcher Shelly Binkeley of OR, reports it with witnesses, around her camp, and next day BF tracks found in mud, which vanished with no hard ground to jump to. BIRO has copies of sound, which are similar to a backing up truck, but no such trucks can get up a mountan trail.
vincent K
Maybe the truck was dropped by helo. That's no stranger than wormhole theories. Ruby 22:23, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
I have added the link to Beckjord's website since he seems dead set on having it there. He emailed me and asked that I do a number of things but this is the only one I'm doing. If anyone else thinks it doesn't belong here, then expain why and take it out...it appears to be pure speculation, but has a few images of interest to some. What we won't do is support Beckjord using his own article to add information to this page in the article area as that would violate WP:NOR...but his website is only a bit more POV than some of the others listed here.-- MONGO 09:12, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
Have to go report the same bug again. This thing causes registered users to appear to have sockpuppets. Heading to WP:AN and WP:BUG again. Martial Law 09:19, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
PLease add as you wish to Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Beckjord/Evidence. I already spammed a few on their talk pages, so let's get this over with please.-- MONGO 13:23, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
This article needs some cleaning up, particularly per MOS and OMLTARTTC.
There is also a fair amount of redlinks, which should be removed. I was going to do it myself but noticed some redlinks like John Napier were formatted as if someone was going to go and write an article about the individual but never got around to it.
In any case, I just thought I’d give a heads up and some time for anyone who wants to start an article for any of the redlinks before they’re removed. Regards, -- Every1blowz 16:18, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
He was supposed to be employed by the NY Museum of Natural History, but they never heard of him. SIR John Napier is dead. Someone add edit "the late Sir John Napoer" also "the late Dr. Grover Krantz of WSU". It is important to let readers know who is current and who is DEAD.
PLEASE ADD EDITS.
felix
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'What is a "talking Bigfoot" and who are these "Skeptics of Bigfoot" ? Martial Law 00:42, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
There are a group of serious researchers out there who are trying to do serious research and studies into this subject of bigfoot. There is evidence out there, if you are willing to look for it, of the possible existence of a animal called Bigfoot or Sasquatch.
But after 5 yrs, I learned that their POV was untenable. Other alternatives became more tenable.
And Marcus -- 99% of those people DO NOT GO OUT OF THE HOUSE. I know them. 90% of them. And of those who do go out, 99% never saw Bigfoot, ever. Call me and I will explain. 415-289-=2277.
Beckjord Beckjord 07:09, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
There are those who believe and have accepted that it is a flesh and blood animal.
They HAVE NO BASIS. Show me a dead body.
Beckjord Beckjord 07:09, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
Not like some who believe it is a alien, a robot, or even a shapeshifter. I believe that where this line of "research" comes from is a mixture of misunderstanding and misinterpretation of facts and what is seen and not seen.
I have not misunderstood anything, nor have my associates of like mind. And they have names, unlike you.
beckjord Beckjord 07:09, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
People start looking into the native american legends and lore and see or read more into it than what it really means.
Research shows the Indians are largely correct.
Beckjord Beckjord 07:09, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
We apply the standards of today into something that you must put into perspective of the time it was written. People thought and spoke differently than what we do now.
They say the same in 2006.
beckjord Beckjord 07:09, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
They tried to make sense out of what they saw with the limited knowledge and understanding of the incident.
They were largely accurate. I tested it. What right have you to "talk down" to my Indian friends?
Beckjord Beckjord 07:09, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
What our friend EB is trying to do present a side of the story that is not widely accepted by most of serious researchers out there.
What is a =SERIOUS RESEARCHER= ?
Someone who never saw a Bigfoot, usually.
This is getting amusing.
beckjord Beckjord 07:09, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
It is hard to argue with someone who believes rather than someone who is skeptical of the topic at hand.
..>>>>> i NEVER SAID I "believe". I simply offered a theory.
You do not read what I say correctly.
beckjord Beckjord 07:20, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
always was, and found the zoological idea was NO GOOD.
Have you ever talked to me? Hey? Do you know me? No.
Call me and discuss. 510-633-2526. Got BASIC BALLS TO TALK ON PHONE? Most do not, are afraid to even say who they are. Only 2% of all wikians list their real name.
beckjord Beckjord 07:09, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
I think the Admin's here are doing a fine job in trying to keep a neutral point of view here.
They do not understrand NPOV at all. Cannot apply it, cannot read it where it rises. beckjord Beckjord 07:09, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
That is what is needed because the average reader can draw their own conclusions or seek the information elsewhere. MarcusTCicero 03:46, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
User:Beckjord, you and your people will have to be civil. Some of the editors on here are women, such as User:Ruby, and they don't need to see that kind of language. You're too much of a gentleman and a MENSA member to be using uncivil language. I'm only being truthful, no more, no less. Martial Law 05:05, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
You and your people should apologise to these editors, and you and your people need to refrain from using vulger language like that. A apology now could go a long way here. Martial Law 06:28, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
These are:
New Bigfoot website. Martial Law 05:49, 30 January 2006 (UTC) Sasquatch , Bigfoot Sounds
Thought I had seen it all. I was incorrect. Martial Law 06:12, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
I've finally read these items, and I find the so-called violations by me, are really minor errors on wording, such as how one must say (says NPOV)
"except to say, "So-and-so argues that ____________, and therefore, ___________." This can be done with a straight face, with no moral compunctions, because you are attributing the claim to "
So, I'll try it. (just one of many points I will raise)
I can say: "Beckjord (using 3rd person, as per NPOV) argues that the so-called Bigfoot may be a strange life-form and not a zoological species, and that therefore both skeptics and zoological adhereents may be incorrect as to what these creatures may be."
I can then quote from one of the publications or websites where this is published, as a source.
This is legit.
Further, since none of the editors who appear here are credible,and have no open names, nor degrees, none can decide what publications are reputable or credible, except experts like myself or others who may appear, with names and credibility and degrees.
Note from Wikipedia:encyclopedia
"However Wikipedia's articles are not necessarily peer reviewed and many of those articles are of a trivial nature. Legitimate concerns have been raised as to the (validity of the writing)."
Further, "Traditional encyclopedias are written by a number of employed text writers, usually people with an academic degree, "
NOTE: ACADEMIC DEGREE. Not high school drop-outs and pizza boys with no names.
and the interactive aspect of the Net does not, does not,
make it OK for just anyone to edit. That is a major, bigtime fallacy of Wikipedia. Most of you do not know beans about the Bigfoot topic, and you ought to back off. Especially DG and Android who show, imho, a biased and mal*cious intent, perhaps misguided.
IMHO, you people do not understand NPOV nor NOR. Maybe I did not either, but now I am rewriting my edits so they fit into NPOV. And yes, I CAN quote my own research, as long as I quote a spource where it was published, in print or on the web.
Once again, DreamGuy and Android79, get the H*ll out.
Now, re experts:
Wikipedia says:
QUOTE:
"Experts:
The role of expert editors "No original research" does not mean that experts on a specific topic cannot contribute to Wikipedia. On the contrary, Wikipedia welcomes experts. We assume, however, that someone is an expert not only because of their personal and direct knowledge of a topic, but because of their knowledge of published sources on a topic. This policy prohibits expert editors from drawing on their personal and direct knowledge if such knowledge is unverifiable. If an expert editor has published the results of his or her research elsewhere, in a reputable publication, the editor can cite that source while writing in the third person and complying with our NPOV policy. They must cite publications, and may not use their unpublished knowledge as a source of information (which would be impossible to verify). "
So, I, as an expert (30 yrs) CAN quote my work if it is "verifiable", which means written down somewhere in a journal, a newsletter, in private communication to another expert, or a website, INCLUDING MY OWN. All I need to do is use 3rd person.
GOT IT?
beckjord Beckjord 06:50, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
will look. Now, Marcus, go visit http://www.bigfoot.org OK? \
beckjord
Beckjord
07:25, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
If you lay off the obscene language, follow Wikipedia protocol, this link is for you: Sasquatch Research Center. This links to other Bigfoot links. I may also use this as a external link, once I get it checked out as well. Martial Law 08:35, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
and any that list Coleman have to be bad.
98% of all BF sites have NO AUTHOR.
Trust no one who does not exist. Even ML. Mongo has email, why not ML?
edit committee.
Can I get this link checked ? It is Native American Designations for Bigfoot/Sasquatch Martial Law 08:54, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
Site is this John Green's Bigfoot Information Project Can I get someone to examine this site as well ? Martial Law 09:53, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
User:Beckjord, This appears to be John Green's website. Enjoy. Martial Law 09:56, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
He is quoted there, but it is run by total newbies who do not do field work. Their owner is a guy in UK who deletes aLL TALK OF ANY ALTERNATIVE THEORIES from his forum. No advanced post-1968 thinking at all.
95% of all BF websites are run by anonymous nobodies who do not do research. This is not a field like beer making or steel making. It is a weird field full of idiot teenagers. Virtually none have any competence. Learn this, ML.
Jackson __________________________________
If this is a bad link, Google search: Sasquatch/John Green. There is a lot of Bigfoot info there you may be interested in. Martial Law 10:20, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
I've fixed this link for you man. As earlier stated, my E-mail is OUT OF ORDER. The link above is a real bombshell. Martial Law 10:25, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
>>>>>ML - stop the l*es. You can make a new email in 45 sec with Hotmail or Yahoo. Stop lying. Mongo and Zoe can email to people, so can you.
Jackson
This has to be Brian Brown called Bipto, who does no field work. He is an IT guy in Minneapolis, and the fact you know him is meaningless. He lets newbies run riot on his forum and intellectuals are pilloried.
Marcus, you may mean well, but you are deluded by the wrong people, and you actually think the __majority__ has to be right. The majority does not leave the house! Personally, Brian Brown is an uptight j**k like the bad guys on this page. His forum is a huge exercise in repression. Don't care how nice he is to you over coffee, on the net he becomes a Hitl*r.
Jackson
and who is that? We know the major players, and 90% of them do not respect him. Also, 98% of the ACTUAL researchrs, not just emailers, have NEVER SEEN BIGFOOT.
I think I know you, from Bipto's forum. You like to talk about the "Research Community" as if every kid with email meant anything. There are only about 150 or less people who do any research at all. The 3000 kids on Bipto's forum are NOT a research community.
Jackson
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1. http://www.bfro.net/gdb/ 2. http://www.rfthomas.clara.net/papers/zhou.html 3. http://www.rfthomas.clara.net/papers/groves.html 4. http://www.rfthomas.clara.net/papers/abominable.html 5. http://www.bigfootencounters.com/sbs/sbs.html 6. http://www.bigfootencounters.com/sbs/other.html
I've begun adding {{ fact}} to statements that don't have sources (and, in some cases, to statements that did have sources, but were unclear). I've focused on statements that are probably the most contentious; ideally, every statement would have a reference, but some of the more "obvious" or common-knowledge facts can do without for now.
I did this up until the "Evidence" section. This section needs a major re-write, as does most of the rest of the article from that section on. It reads far too much like a point-counterpoint between skeptics and believers. Instead of offering "for" arguments and then countering them with "against" arguments for each separate concept, we should synthesize the arguments from both sides into a coherent paragraph or two. Thoughts?
We should also decide on a consistent method/style of citing sources. As it stands now, there are footnotes and references and several different styles of citing both.
android
79
14:55, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
Uhh, this cleanup I just did was completely nullified by Every1Blowz, who apparently was working off of an older version of the article; this went so far as to reinstate the sprotected tag. Please try to reconcile your changes with mine. android 79 15:45, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
For "Researchers point out that these common factors indicate patterns of a living species occupying an ecological niche, as opposed to hoaxed sightings" under eyewitness reports - http://www.texasbigfoot.com/habitat.html
For the odor citation and description/appearance citation: http://www.bfro.net/gdb/show_FAQ.asp?id=585
For the vocalizations citation: http://www.texasbigfoot.com/vocalizations.html
Once again, Beckjord has blind-reverted all changes back to a preferred version, with the edit summary "Newbies to Bigfoot should discuss their edit issues with me before going ahead. In email, or talk page. I am not going away, face it, and I am the only expert in Wiki on this." Beckjord, along with a few edits you may have found objectionable, you also reverted countless formatting and spelling corrections. You do not own this article. android 79 20:18, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
" I only revert when uninformed people revert first, as Android did. It is HE who wasted the other people's work. Basically, EDIT, do not revert. (Bonk!)
I assume some of you work on good faith. I believe a few of you do not.
You know who you are. It pains me to see the edits of good faith editors
get ruined by reverts by the bad guys, who are just flat-222 lazy and
find a total revert just easy to use.
I want to work with the good faith people, and if they have some edit issue, why not discuss it HERE, as we are supposed to do, or else email me, as Mongo does, at rudy@stealthaccess.net . I am not against aLL new edits. Some are good.
But I will ask you this: "If you do a lot of work, edits, and then find ten in later somebody with no expertise in the topic, (an encyclopedist is SUPPOSED TO BE AN EXPERT, not just anyone) has doine a total revert back to __his__ version, well, what is one likely to do? Let it be? No way, Jose. So reverting like that is simply an invitation to revert back.
>>>>>>Got it?<<<<<<<<<<
So let the two j*rks here memorize that.
I am a professional, I am an expert of sorts, I have 30 years in this topic as a field worker, I run sevceral websites and discussion groiups on this topic, I am published, and you would be best advised to work with me, because
So discuss issues here, or in email. Reverting is an insult. - EB "
sent by Jim Jackson
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He says Wiki says:
"Hyperlinking between conceptually related items is also a significant benefit. On-line encyclopedias offer the additional advantage of being (potentially) dynamic: new information can be presented almost immediately, rather than waiting for the next release of a static format (as with a disk- or paper-based publication)."
This means websites can be listed as references. As for a "mill", you have no expertise to decide that. Get a name, (and a life) first. Your statements and judgments have no merit. I do not accept you as an authority on anything."
so sayeth the master.
Jackson
there is no working things out with you maniacs.
We on the commitee will return in rotating shifts, and undo all you did. Over and over and over. You will "win" only five in or 30 min at a time. then, BINGO, back it goes.
Make edit suggestions in talk pages, and we may approve some. Then WE will put them in. And yes, we do own this article.
Jackson
In that case, I have semi-protected this article. android 79 22:22, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
Wikipia is a general encyclopedia, not a scientific journal and not a scholarly encyclopedia.
This the reputability of references is not as strict.
Remember this Android79.
Paul Jones
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lost your E-mail user:Beckjord. Martial Law 00:09, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
Semi-protected again ?! I need a tylenol the size of Bigfoot. Martial Law 01:24, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
Call off this new war, or the Admins may permanently lock down the article. This is the Wikipedia version of Martial Law. In this, only the Admins may edit this article, and other editors, such as myself will have to beg them to accept any suggestions, and hope that they'll add them to the article. Martial Law 01:49, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
The anti-"Troll" law may be in effect. Rumor has it that a $250,000 fine is imposed, and/or a two year prison sentence is also imposed. Do a Google search: Anti-Troll Law. Am investigating this matter. Martial Law 03:35, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
This is NOT a rumor. wikipedia has material on the article Internet troll. Being a troll is now a FEDERAL criminal offense, and a felony. Martial Law 03:40, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
Still investigating. Martial Law 03:41, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
Hey, I did some poking around to figure out what school was meant by "University of Maryland" (there are five schools with this name). It turns out, nobody at any of the five has any record of this person as either faculty or student. Further, when I clicked the citation, it went to a 404. I strongly suggest this reference be removed as it is, unequivocally, bogus. - James Howard ( talk/ web) 03:47, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
1970s anthro professor at U MD College Park. He did work with Ellis Kerly.
see website magazine article that Bishonen keeps deleting.
http://www.beckjord.com/bigfoot/b&h.html Frontiers of Science Magazine re BF hairs.
zuzy q
BF tried to break into a house, broke a window and cut himself, and left hair as well.
zuzie
"Introduction to the primates, living and fossil"
Prentice Hall, 1974,
zoozie
Insiders view of Wikipedia.
http://www.network54.com/hide/forum/170755
GIve your views.
Kent
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?! Martial Law 06:52, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
Since the US military controls several kilo-hectares of land, don't like any intruders, are there any military related encounters on record ? Martial Law 06:52, 1 February 2006 (UTC)`
Found this: Soldier's Bigfoot account in Viet Nam War Martial Law 04:09, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
Where do I place military personnel's encounters w/ Bigfoot in the article ? Martial Law 04:20, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
Had a keypad glitch. Martial Law 07:23, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
Can this be inserted ?
Not the NY Times, but they may sell the NY Times next to the Weekly World News. The NY Times have been scandalized. Martial Law 00:32, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
LA Wookie 1 LA Wookie 2 Listed as the Honey Island Swamp Monster and/or as the Louisiana Wookie LA Wookie 3
Since this creature is in this area, figured that these should have a look at this. NO offense, apologise if I had been in error. Martial Law 04:30, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
Special note: The location has alligators, poisonous snakes, other hazards. Martial Law 04:33, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
Tons of Newspaper and Magazine articles about this thing. Can this be placed ? Martial Law 08:02, 2 February 2006 (UTC) :)
Please see this link: Answers.com and Bigfoot
This is all about the creature, even has a section as to what to do if YOU spot one.
Can I get this link, the military links, the newspaper links examined, persuant to the s-protect protocol ? Martial Law 02:12, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
Can the www.answers.com/topic/bigfoot link be placed in the article ?
Martial Law
02:18, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
Can it be stated that if the reader has seen one, smelled one, they can use the external links ? Martial Law 07:31, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
Witnesses can contact the BIRO group, at http://www.bigfoot.org which is a No-kill group.
Admins are asked to restore this link. In fact, ML should add this link himself. You do not need to kiss anyone's @@@ here. Be your own man.
After all, "Wikipedia, the encyclopedia that anyone can edit." Right? Jump in, get your feet wet, you know as much as anyone here on edits. Go,ML, go !
bozo2
Not true. Martial Law can edit.
When others ignore you, or do a bad job, then do it yourself! Beckjord
What is "BIRO" ? This is for the record, no more, no less. Martial Law 09:42, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
Bigfoot Researchers & Investigators Org.
BIRO.
Bigfoot.org is short and simple. You just click on link inside. Then you get to Bigfoot Heaven.
If your time is so valuable, why come here to view something that can never be proven?
Now if you indeed have done some 2000-3000 edits, I'd say your time is going cheap.
Never forget that Wikipedia is NOT a scholarly pedia. It is a general pedia.
Still, it is better than Encarta and on Bigfoot, it is better than Britannica. Grant ya that.
I finally located the fact that Stephen Rosen was an associate professor of anthropology at the University of Maryland... [9] and that he did publish a book titled "Introduction to the Primates - Living and Fossil"...I need Beckjord to no explain to me what is in this book that is significant to Bigfoot, before I spend my money and buy it...it is not in print anymore...so it'll be used.-- MONGO 10:20, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
Glad to see you finally found that Dr Rosen is real. :-) His book was cited to let you know he is an author and respected by others in his field. He has more hits in Google due to his Bigfoot hair analysis,using hairs I provided, than anything else he ever did. He is now retired.
Beckjord,Jon-Erik "The Bigfoot Evidence", pp22-29, Frontiers of Science Magazine,Vol. III,no.3,May 1981. Also Beckjord,Jon-Erik, "Bigfoot's Weird Blood",pp92-96, FATE Magazine, Aug 1989, ISBN 0014-8776.
In summary, a blood sample taken from the Lummi Indian Res. was analyzed by Dr. Vincent Sarich, UC Berkeley, and found to be "unknown higher primate". Hairs found with blood were analyzed by Drs Rosen and Kerley, Univ. of Md. and found to be "unknown higher primate" and were further found to match three other sets of unknowns forom OR,CA,&MD. These did not match any of the knowns in master set owned by Rosen, and were close to bear, gorilla and human, but were not either of those. These findings were also corroborated by forensic analyst Tom Moore of the Wyoming Fish and Game Lab. Similar work has continued with Dr. Henner Fahrenbach of the Oregon Regional Primate Center, Beaverton,OR.
Appearantly, I cannot quote my own work, even if published, but other people can quote it. So please do.
Fate Magazine exists today. Frontiers of Science is out of print. These are not on the internet as articles, but FATE has a website. Come to my house and read the articles in person. There is life outside the internet. Not finding a print article on the internet is no valid reason to deny a reference.
"Wickipedia, the encyclopedia that anyone can, but shouldn't, edit."
Listen Beckjord, if you want to edit the article at least edit it correctly. For one thing, your referencing format is an ugly mess, and it isn’t even compatible or consistent with the rest of the article, not to mention with Wikipedia guidelines. And it’s hard to read. Here’s what you’ve added repeatedly before it’s been deleted…
Beckjord, seriously, can’t you at least even bother to put in spaces when needed and use the appropriate Harvard referencing format? Is that really too much to ask? Would using two parentheses on either side really kill you? Or are you just too lazy to do it yourself and expect others to clean up the formatting for you?
If that’s the way you think and behave Beckjord than frankly none of your “contributions” are really needed.
Anyway, this time I went ahead and kept what you wrote except formatted it correctly. Do us all a favor and go read Wikipedia:Citing sources for next time, okay?
Also, I’ve temporarily removed…
Because I’m not sure what it’s supposed to reference and you didn’t bothered to clarify yourself when you edited the article. Tell me what those two contributions reference and I’ll add them back if other Wikipedians don't mind.
Secondly, I went ahead and removed your website from the external links section. Why? Because it was nothing short of your POV ramblings and it didn’t even have very good photos of an alleged Sasquatch like it promised (hardly a gallery), which is very misleading to anyone who’d actually visit the site. -- Every1blowz 20:44, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
I'm busy watching the superbowl, but I was told of this by you and I send in this comment:
1) I do years of research and I do not need to learn the Harvard system of referenceing as well, so it is very nice when you take the time to use your expertise in that to clean up. Thanks.
Posted by sam —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.69.139.148 ( talk • contribs) 02:51, February 6, 2006 (UTC)
I haven't found much...but here is essentially what I have been able to dig up. Vincent Sarich was a Professor at UC Berkley...I can find no reference that he ever met Erik Beckjord aside from what Erik has told me. Beckjord claims that Sarich anaylized blood retrived from a
[piece of glass from an Indian house window on the Lummi Indian} (edit)
reservation. According to Beckjord, Sarich identified the blood as being that from an "unknown higher primate". Beckjord then had a Dr. Stephen Rosen and a Dr. Ellis R. Kerley (both at the University of Maryland) examine hair samples associated with the same blood as well as unknown hair samples from at least 3 other locations and they, according to Beckjord, attributed them to "unknown primate". Tom Moore of the Wyoming Fish and Game lab also identified the hair samples as coming from an unknown primate. Without trying to, in any way, insult Beckjord, I need more than a link to Fate magazine..
{whatdo you expect after 20 years? Kerley is dead already.)
[indeed happen?] I do not
fabricate data.
and that hopefully somehwere in a more mainstream source, the findings were published. I am looking into this as I studied under Dr. Kerley at the University of Maryland, and know that he is one of the founding fathers, per se, of modern forensic anthropology. Dr. Kerley is deceased and Tom Moore retired from the Wyoming job he held for 4 decades just last year...I am not sure of Sarich or Rosen, but Rosen did leave the University of Maryland in the mid 1970's. I am attempting to contact Tom Moore as he was apparently also going to present his findings at a sort of Bigfoot conference, but was "ordered" to not do so by his superiors with the state of Wyoming. In a nutshell, I see no reason that this may be a true series of events, though they do not in themselves prove of the existence of Bigfoot, or of anything. But we are talking about mainstream, reputable scientists that certainly have weight in their professions. Beckjord, would it be possible for you to scan into your computer and then email me the front cover and idex page of the copy of Fate magazine and the other one you mention, along with the text of the articles that you wrote? I will continue to try and track down more information on these events as they are noteworthy in article space I believe, but I need more evidence.--
MONGO
06:45, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
I'm not lying. Sarich lives 10 miles from me now. He never put his findings into writing to keep HIS job, but he stated it to me, in his lab, in 1977. You had best learn now that these people __do not__ put such things on paper for fear of job loss.
But they said they wouid stand by it if anyone called them,etc. They never backed out.
Now, I can MAIL YOU, EGADS!!! Copies of the articles. Later, I can make jpgs of the pages. But hell, you can call up FATE MAG and ask them.
What is implied here is that you have to get more proof to see if I am lying. I do not lie about such things. I have my Eagle Scout rep. to uphold. Article has been on my site ten yrs. Send me a fax number and I will fax you the front pages. I see nothing sacred about the "privacy of the internet"... Re people have phone and fax. DO YOU?
Email me your fax.
Call me at 415-289-2277.
BTW.. there are no "mainstream" sources. The Mainstream is very careful to NOT TOUCH BIGFOOT WITH A 50 FT POLE. Dig? Ditto ufos. Dig??? Got it??? I was damn lucky to get those scientists to speak at all.
Want copy of artricles?
Send large SASE to me at box 9502,Berkeley,CA 94709.
THIS IS HOW RESEARCH IS DONE, not google.
Even if we can verify what Beckjord says is true I wouldn't add it in. The only problem we'd have here is that other Wikipedia readers who try to verify the material would have a lot of trouble, and probably even remove it when they think it's bogus. I'm not saying Beckjord is lying, it's just that it's not good to write about stuff that hasn't been peer-reviewed and can't be verified by others independently. -- Every1blowz 09:58, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
User:Beckjord, can you place all of your contact info here ? You said that people should contact you IF they had a run-in with a Bigfoot,UFO, that sort of thing. Martial Law 22:14, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
Should I place your link as a link supporting one of the Alternative Theories concerning Bigfoot ? I've heard of a UFO sighting in which bigfoot was actually seen with a UFO, and the thing was seen leaving the UFO. Martial Law 22:20, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
At 0200 hrs, EST, on 2-7-06, the History Channel has presented some material concerning Bigfoot and other monsters. Go to this link: Decoding The Past: Monsters The featured creatures incl. Bigfoot. Thought you guys may want to know this. Martial Law 07:04, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
One link says that a Bigfoot attacked 3 people, killing one, the other is for the Gulf Coast Bigfoot Research Organization. These are: This link says Bigfoot attacked 3, kills one. Also says it may be a animal.
Gulf Coast Bigfoot research Organization Martial Law 07:31, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
Forensic doc says Bigfoot is real !. Can this link be used ? Martial Law 07:49, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
From a Hunting Magazine: Hunting Bigfoot Martial Law 07:58, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
Martial Law 08:05, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
This link appears to be that of a really BAD joke involving a Bigfoot hoaxer. Let that person try that where I'm currently @. People here will kill tresspassers. Re.: Hunting/Sporting magazine link. Martial Law 08:19, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
You have really 3 links to "vet". Martial Law 08:19, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
Maybe I could place this in the hoax catagory ? Martial Law 08:21, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
I am not sure why you have links to Greg Long on this article but I think they would belong more with the Patterson-Gimlin film page. Since that book was more about that film. MarcusTCicero 10:38, 8 February 2006 (UTC)