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This article was obviously rated before the standards were strengthened. This is also one of the most lop-sided non-neutral POV articles in the entire aviation project.-- Reedmalloy ( talk) 19:16, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
It is accepted knowledge that Sir Keith Park was following the opinions of Sir Hugh Dowding on the negation of the implementation of "Big Wing" tactics during the Battle of Britain! Sir Keith Park had been appointed over Leigh-Mallory as commander of 11 group for this reason, something Leigh-Mallory was never to forgive. To say that Sir Keith Park was solely responsible for not implementing "Big Wings" during The Battle of Britain is untrue. 81.148.30.228
Cite error: There are <ref>
tags on this page without content in them (see the
help page). The Battle of Britain, James Holland. p472-481 (extremely important and relevant to the fact that Park was following the Dowding system in rejecting the "Big Wings"!
Mallory was senior to Park and was put in charge of 12 Group because it was thought most likely to be the attack route for raids from Germany - this was before the invasion of Belgium/Holland and the fall of France allowed access to airfields much closer and to the south.
Once it became clear that 11 Group was to be central to the defence, Mallory desperately wanted to take over 11 Group, but of course by then it became clear that Park was fully in agreement with the aims of the Dowding System, and despite being junior to Mallory, was (luckily) left in place. [1] 49.195.28.135 ( talk) 02:39, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
References
The relatively inflexible fighter tactics of the RAF would have been an additional problem for the "Big Wing".
The Big Wing Formation required more training and coordination than smaller, squadron-sized units. An issue, given the low numbers of flying hours of RAF fighter pilots.
Source: Battlefield Series 1, Episode 2: Battle of Britain.-- 95.222.186.244 ( talk) 03:36, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
I always understood that the 'Big Wing' was a concept put forward and tested before the battle by Keith Park even if he didn't use that term, but in his evaluation it would not be effective for 11 Group, and that certainly initially 12 group would have been more helpful arriving earlier to help his overstretched group. Unfortunately I can't find the source for this at present. I will keep looking.
After WWII German Ace Adolf Galland comments regarding the Dowding v. Mallory's Big Wing tactic were pretty clear. He stated that one of the things that frustrated the German's campaign was the illusiveness of 11 group and the obvious organization of Park's jump tactic. He stated that the Luftwaffe would have been better able to deal with a mass of Spitfires at higher altitude. A 1970's tape recorded interview with George "Grumpy" Unwin 12 Group stated that most of his fellow pilots were scared to take their alternative Sunday off "in case they missed something" also stated they could not understand why the groups were not rotated to give No 11 group a rest. It's pretty obvious that there were far more grubby politics going on with "The Few" than the propaganda and popular historians care to let on. Sadly history books still love to regurgitate the Churchill (PR) narrative rather than the more grubby facts on the matter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.152.28.224 ( talk) 19:22, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
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This article was obviously rated before the standards were strengthened. This is also one of the most lop-sided non-neutral POV articles in the entire aviation project.-- Reedmalloy ( talk) 19:16, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
It is accepted knowledge that Sir Keith Park was following the opinions of Sir Hugh Dowding on the negation of the implementation of "Big Wing" tactics during the Battle of Britain! Sir Keith Park had been appointed over Leigh-Mallory as commander of 11 group for this reason, something Leigh-Mallory was never to forgive. To say that Sir Keith Park was solely responsible for not implementing "Big Wings" during The Battle of Britain is untrue. 81.148.30.228
Cite error: There are <ref>
tags on this page without content in them (see the
help page). The Battle of Britain, James Holland. p472-481 (extremely important and relevant to the fact that Park was following the Dowding system in rejecting the "Big Wings"!
Mallory was senior to Park and was put in charge of 12 Group because it was thought most likely to be the attack route for raids from Germany - this was before the invasion of Belgium/Holland and the fall of France allowed access to airfields much closer and to the south.
Once it became clear that 11 Group was to be central to the defence, Mallory desperately wanted to take over 11 Group, but of course by then it became clear that Park was fully in agreement with the aims of the Dowding System, and despite being junior to Mallory, was (luckily) left in place. [1] 49.195.28.135 ( talk) 02:39, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
References
The relatively inflexible fighter tactics of the RAF would have been an additional problem for the "Big Wing".
The Big Wing Formation required more training and coordination than smaller, squadron-sized units. An issue, given the low numbers of flying hours of RAF fighter pilots.
Source: Battlefield Series 1, Episode 2: Battle of Britain.-- 95.222.186.244 ( talk) 03:36, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
I always understood that the 'Big Wing' was a concept put forward and tested before the battle by Keith Park even if he didn't use that term, but in his evaluation it would not be effective for 11 Group, and that certainly initially 12 group would have been more helpful arriving earlier to help his overstretched group. Unfortunately I can't find the source for this at present. I will keep looking.
After WWII German Ace Adolf Galland comments regarding the Dowding v. Mallory's Big Wing tactic were pretty clear. He stated that one of the things that frustrated the German's campaign was the illusiveness of 11 group and the obvious organization of Park's jump tactic. He stated that the Luftwaffe would have been better able to deal with a mass of Spitfires at higher altitude. A 1970's tape recorded interview with George "Grumpy" Unwin 12 Group stated that most of his fellow pilots were scared to take their alternative Sunday off "in case they missed something" also stated they could not understand why the groups were not rotated to give No 11 group a rest. It's pretty obvious that there were far more grubby politics going on with "The Few" than the propaganda and popular historians care to let on. Sadly history books still love to regurgitate the Churchill (PR) narrative rather than the more grubby facts on the matter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.152.28.224 ( talk) 19:22, 13 February 2021 (UTC)