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If the Big East is continuing on as a basketball conference, shouldn't the history be updated rather than a new article being created?..... Pvmoutside ( talk) 20:48, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#ESPN as source for ongoing NCAA conference realignment, where the consensus is that inclusion of Butler, Xavier, etc. based on reporting by ESPN is accepted as a RS with in-text attribution (hence the "ESPN reported..." text).
Please discuss rather than continuing to edit war. Thanks.
-- 96.32.138.125 ( talk) 04:57, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
Will the article of the new Big East have a map yet to locate the members of the Catholic 7 and company? jlog3000 ( talk) 17:16, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
I don't think it's necessary to have listed the number of teams offered in each sport in the old version of the conference, especially considering how fluid membership was in its last few years. I also think it would be helpful for the chart to indicate which of the current members (as of July 1, 2013) offer the various sports. With this in mind, I propose two changes. Change A: remove the figures representing the teams fielded per sport in the old version of the conference. Change B: Add to the chart the teams fielded by each school. I will go ahead and be bold and make change B, but I want to get some input on change A. City boy77 ( talk) 03:23, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
I recently reverted an edit that placed members of the Big East (1979-2013) in the membership timeline on this article even though they will not be part of the new version of the Big East. With this in mind, I think the membership timeline needs discussed. I don't think these members should be included in the timeline on this article because, except for a brief discussion about the history of the Big East name, this article is about the Big East from 2013 onward. I arrived at this conclusion primarily because the title of this article is "Big East Conference (2013)" and not simply "Big East Conference." Along the same train of thought, I also think the timeline should start at 2013. To see the history and timeline of the conference prior to 2013, readers can go to the appropriately named 1979-2013 article. Thus, I propose and seek consensus that:
City boy77 ( talk) 02:30, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
What's the basis for that conclusion? Because I've got (emphasis mine)
The "old" Big East remains housed in an office building next to the Amtrak station in Providence. That league will unveil a new name in the next month or so and be led by such schools as Connecticut, Cincinnati, Memphis and Southern Methodist. The basketball schools purchased the rights to the Big East name, its logo and will even retain the basketball record books.
That very much suggests this isn't a brand new conference, but rather a continuation of the previous one (which ceases sponsoring football, sheds the AAC members, etc) Green-eyed girl ( Talk · Contribs) 23:31, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
Well, what happens to baseball,softball, golf and the other Olympic sports records?....... Pvmoutside ( talk) 23:46, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
2013 (UTC)
So anyone want to keep talking about this? Two editors today removed the 1979–2013 period from the membership timeline, and I thought the consensus here was that this gave the timeline some needed context. Was that wrong? I think its fine as long as there's a clear demarcation between the 1979–2013 and 2013→ Big Easts. Thoughts?-- Patrick, oѺ∞ 22:32, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
Old Dominion is NOT joining the Big East for women's lacrosse, only Field Hockey. According to [1] they are joining the Atlantic Sun in 2014-15 and will be an Independent next year. I have removed mentions of ODU joining for women's lacrosse, but if someone with more wikitable experience than me could add then as a future associate member to the Atlantic Sun Conference article that would be awesome. Thanks! Smartyllama ( talk) 19:53, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
Well, the new Big East got the old Big East's website ( http://www.bigeast.org/), but there's nothing there but an announcement that a new era begins on July 1... GWFrog ( talk) 21:39, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
was there any sort of consensus to include "present" in the title of the article? as far as I know that is not how the MOS suggests to title this article, and its original title--which disambiguates by including the year of establishment in parentheses--is the preferred form. -- 96.32.138.125 ( talk) 06:08, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
- The title should just be "Big East Conference". No date. - It needs to be up to date. - It needs to be the article the "Big East" directs to. - It needs to have a link at the top to the "old" Big East and the disambiguation page. - Also make note that this is technically a new league and that the AAC is the official successor to the old Big East. - Perhaps a link at the top to the AAC for the next year or so. 24.36.61.0 ( talk) 21:30, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Move. Jafeluv ( talk) 10:11, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
Big East Conference (2013–present) → Big East Conference – This move has been requested by multiple editors here. Currently, Big East Conference is a disambiguation article, though these links can be included in a hatnote instead. Patrick, oѺ∞ 22:13, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
Providence do sponsor women's volleyball, but not in the Big East. They're affiliate members of the America east for WVB. So the chart in the article is a little misleading. 173.160.130.14 ( talk) 18:53, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
Please join the discussion at the College Basketball Wikiproject for forming a consensus on the creation of a basic navbox for college basketball teams. CrazyPaco ( talk) 05:58, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
As an editor that works almost exclusively with basketball articles, I'd like to propose that the "old" Big East article not be linked for basketball articles, but to solely use this artcle instead. The reason is that for basketbal (and several other sports, truth be told), the current conference owns all of the history, as evidenced by the honors section of the Big East basketball media guide. The player and coach records and honors go back to the formation of the league in 1979–1980. The split was driven by football, and the arrangement for the AAC to retain football ties was rooted in the new league keeping their BCS bowl bid (not that this mattered in the long run). For basketball, this revamp was no different that the Southern Conference, whose members split off to become the SEC and ACC. We need to straighten this out. Rikster2 ( talk) 00:04, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
I disagree with SCMatt that pages like Lou Carnesecca should link to the "old" Big East. If you look at page 109 of the linked Big East media guide, Carnesecca is listed as the 1983, 1985 and 1986 Big East coach of the year - and I will again point out this is the media guide of the "new" BE. In other words, it isn't a "new" league, it is a continuation of the old one (and the BE had more original members than the AAC at split). In short, in my opinion none of the basketball articles should link to the 1979-2013 article. Ideally that article would be rewritten to show that only those sports who don't claim the new BE history (ie - football) claim it. For football, the "old" article is relevant. I don't believe it is relevant for other sports. Rikster2 ( talk) 20:38, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
I notice that Florida and Vanderbilt are listed in the membership timeline but are not listed in the men's sports table. I am guessing they are both associate members in lacrosse. The table suggests that Denver is an associate member and lacrosse but they aren't listed in the table. Can someone more familiar with the issue fix whatever is needed?-- S Philbrick (Talk) 13:24, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
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Although many outlets reported that the Huskies were "rejoining" the Big East, as mentioned above The American is the legal successor to the old Big East. Indeed, the Huskies were the only charter member of the old Big East still playing in The American. The only sport in which the Huskies will actually rejoin the Big East is women's lacrosse; they competed in the first five Big East women's lacrosse seasons (2014–2018) before The American launched a women's lacrosse league in the 2019 season (2018–19 school year).
Going back to the discussions when the Catholic 7 and the Big East Football schools separated, the Catholic 7 (which purchased the Big East name, brand, logos and continued with Madison Square Garden as its tournament site) maintained the basketball records from the previous incarnation of the league. In this sense, UConn is, in fact, rejoining/returning to the Big East, as it was a non-football member of the Big East from 1979-2004. However, since this portion of the section is not sourced, it could also just be deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abattoir2613 ( talk • contribs) 18:14, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
This section still is written with odd background and wording. The introduction about UConn pursuing membership in the ACC in 2011/2012 is outside the scope of topic, in my opinion - especially with references to Pittsburgh, Syracuse and Louisville. I think the section should begin with reference to reports of UConn returning to the Big East in June, 2019 (original story here - http://www.digitalsportsdesk.com/ncaa-basketball/big-east/uconn-to-return-to-big-east/). In previous years, there were reports about UConn being interested in and possibly returning to the Big East, but the uncertain status of its football program left the situation unresolved ( https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-uconn-talking-rejoining-big-east-20170215-story.html) and ( https://www.app.com/story/sports/college/2016/10/10/why-uconn-big-east-reunite-before-long/91840616/). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abattoir2613 ( talk • contribs) 17:17, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
Can anyone make a new map that shows UConn's status as a future member? Perhaps put Connecticut in blue, then add them to red once they official join on 7/1? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abattoir2613 ( talk • contribs) 15:17, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
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If the Big East is continuing on as a basketball conference, shouldn't the history be updated rather than a new article being created?..... Pvmoutside ( talk) 20:48, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#ESPN as source for ongoing NCAA conference realignment, where the consensus is that inclusion of Butler, Xavier, etc. based on reporting by ESPN is accepted as a RS with in-text attribution (hence the "ESPN reported..." text).
Please discuss rather than continuing to edit war. Thanks.
-- 96.32.138.125 ( talk) 04:57, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
Will the article of the new Big East have a map yet to locate the members of the Catholic 7 and company? jlog3000 ( talk) 17:16, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
I don't think it's necessary to have listed the number of teams offered in each sport in the old version of the conference, especially considering how fluid membership was in its last few years. I also think it would be helpful for the chart to indicate which of the current members (as of July 1, 2013) offer the various sports. With this in mind, I propose two changes. Change A: remove the figures representing the teams fielded per sport in the old version of the conference. Change B: Add to the chart the teams fielded by each school. I will go ahead and be bold and make change B, but I want to get some input on change A. City boy77 ( talk) 03:23, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
I recently reverted an edit that placed members of the Big East (1979-2013) in the membership timeline on this article even though they will not be part of the new version of the Big East. With this in mind, I think the membership timeline needs discussed. I don't think these members should be included in the timeline on this article because, except for a brief discussion about the history of the Big East name, this article is about the Big East from 2013 onward. I arrived at this conclusion primarily because the title of this article is "Big East Conference (2013)" and not simply "Big East Conference." Along the same train of thought, I also think the timeline should start at 2013. To see the history and timeline of the conference prior to 2013, readers can go to the appropriately named 1979-2013 article. Thus, I propose and seek consensus that:
City boy77 ( talk) 02:30, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
What's the basis for that conclusion? Because I've got (emphasis mine)
The "old" Big East remains housed in an office building next to the Amtrak station in Providence. That league will unveil a new name in the next month or so and be led by such schools as Connecticut, Cincinnati, Memphis and Southern Methodist. The basketball schools purchased the rights to the Big East name, its logo and will even retain the basketball record books.
That very much suggests this isn't a brand new conference, but rather a continuation of the previous one (which ceases sponsoring football, sheds the AAC members, etc) Green-eyed girl ( Talk · Contribs) 23:31, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
Well, what happens to baseball,softball, golf and the other Olympic sports records?....... Pvmoutside ( talk) 23:46, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
2013 (UTC)
So anyone want to keep talking about this? Two editors today removed the 1979–2013 period from the membership timeline, and I thought the consensus here was that this gave the timeline some needed context. Was that wrong? I think its fine as long as there's a clear demarcation between the 1979–2013 and 2013→ Big Easts. Thoughts?-- Patrick, oѺ∞ 22:32, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
Old Dominion is NOT joining the Big East for women's lacrosse, only Field Hockey. According to [1] they are joining the Atlantic Sun in 2014-15 and will be an Independent next year. I have removed mentions of ODU joining for women's lacrosse, but if someone with more wikitable experience than me could add then as a future associate member to the Atlantic Sun Conference article that would be awesome. Thanks! Smartyllama ( talk) 19:53, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
Well, the new Big East got the old Big East's website ( http://www.bigeast.org/), but there's nothing there but an announcement that a new era begins on July 1... GWFrog ( talk) 21:39, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
was there any sort of consensus to include "present" in the title of the article? as far as I know that is not how the MOS suggests to title this article, and its original title--which disambiguates by including the year of establishment in parentheses--is the preferred form. -- 96.32.138.125 ( talk) 06:08, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
- The title should just be "Big East Conference". No date. - It needs to be up to date. - It needs to be the article the "Big East" directs to. - It needs to have a link at the top to the "old" Big East and the disambiguation page. - Also make note that this is technically a new league and that the AAC is the official successor to the old Big East. - Perhaps a link at the top to the AAC for the next year or so. 24.36.61.0 ( talk) 21:30, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Move. Jafeluv ( talk) 10:11, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
Big East Conference (2013–present) → Big East Conference – This move has been requested by multiple editors here. Currently, Big East Conference is a disambiguation article, though these links can be included in a hatnote instead. Patrick, oѺ∞ 22:13, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
Providence do sponsor women's volleyball, but not in the Big East. They're affiliate members of the America east for WVB. So the chart in the article is a little misleading. 173.160.130.14 ( talk) 18:53, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
Please join the discussion at the College Basketball Wikiproject for forming a consensus on the creation of a basic navbox for college basketball teams. CrazyPaco ( talk) 05:58, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
As an editor that works almost exclusively with basketball articles, I'd like to propose that the "old" Big East article not be linked for basketball articles, but to solely use this artcle instead. The reason is that for basketbal (and several other sports, truth be told), the current conference owns all of the history, as evidenced by the honors section of the Big East basketball media guide. The player and coach records and honors go back to the formation of the league in 1979–1980. The split was driven by football, and the arrangement for the AAC to retain football ties was rooted in the new league keeping their BCS bowl bid (not that this mattered in the long run). For basketball, this revamp was no different that the Southern Conference, whose members split off to become the SEC and ACC. We need to straighten this out. Rikster2 ( talk) 00:04, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
I disagree with SCMatt that pages like Lou Carnesecca should link to the "old" Big East. If you look at page 109 of the linked Big East media guide, Carnesecca is listed as the 1983, 1985 and 1986 Big East coach of the year - and I will again point out this is the media guide of the "new" BE. In other words, it isn't a "new" league, it is a continuation of the old one (and the BE had more original members than the AAC at split). In short, in my opinion none of the basketball articles should link to the 1979-2013 article. Ideally that article would be rewritten to show that only those sports who don't claim the new BE history (ie - football) claim it. For football, the "old" article is relevant. I don't believe it is relevant for other sports. Rikster2 ( talk) 20:38, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
I notice that Florida and Vanderbilt are listed in the membership timeline but are not listed in the men's sports table. I am guessing they are both associate members in lacrosse. The table suggests that Denver is an associate member and lacrosse but they aren't listed in the table. Can someone more familiar with the issue fix whatever is needed?-- S Philbrick (Talk) 13:24, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
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Although many outlets reported that the Huskies were "rejoining" the Big East, as mentioned above The American is the legal successor to the old Big East. Indeed, the Huskies were the only charter member of the old Big East still playing in The American. The only sport in which the Huskies will actually rejoin the Big East is women's lacrosse; they competed in the first five Big East women's lacrosse seasons (2014–2018) before The American launched a women's lacrosse league in the 2019 season (2018–19 school year).
Going back to the discussions when the Catholic 7 and the Big East Football schools separated, the Catholic 7 (which purchased the Big East name, brand, logos and continued with Madison Square Garden as its tournament site) maintained the basketball records from the previous incarnation of the league. In this sense, UConn is, in fact, rejoining/returning to the Big East, as it was a non-football member of the Big East from 1979-2004. However, since this portion of the section is not sourced, it could also just be deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abattoir2613 ( talk • contribs) 18:14, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
This section still is written with odd background and wording. The introduction about UConn pursuing membership in the ACC in 2011/2012 is outside the scope of topic, in my opinion - especially with references to Pittsburgh, Syracuse and Louisville. I think the section should begin with reference to reports of UConn returning to the Big East in June, 2019 (original story here - http://www.digitalsportsdesk.com/ncaa-basketball/big-east/uconn-to-return-to-big-east/). In previous years, there were reports about UConn being interested in and possibly returning to the Big East, but the uncertain status of its football program left the situation unresolved ( https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-uconn-talking-rejoining-big-east-20170215-story.html) and ( https://www.app.com/story/sports/college/2016/10/10/why-uconn-big-east-reunite-before-long/91840616/). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abattoir2613 ( talk • contribs) 17:17, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
Can anyone make a new map that shows UConn's status as a future member? Perhaps put Connecticut in blue, then add them to red once they official join on 7/1? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abattoir2613 ( talk • contribs) 15:17, 29 February 2020 (UTC)