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I don't know how to reference properly, but if you go to bigbrothernetwork.com, it turns out Julie Chen has confirmed a July 6 launch date. Therefore, I'm going to put it in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.215.184.140 ( talk) 08:26, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
Well, I don't know why they aren't because, unless it is a rumour (and discussion boards do clarify whether the story is a rumour or not) they usually city their source. No, I got this from bigbrothernetwork.com, it isn't a discussion board, it is a fan made news blog; it has been referenced in the past with a high degree of credibility. And again, bigbrothernetwork.com would state whether or not it is a rumour; this time, it isn't. Julie Chen confirmed on The Late Late Show with Craig Ferguson in late March/early April. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.215.184.140 ( talk) 23:57, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
Should the returning houseguests be listed in the infobox as Day 1 or Day 6 because the 8 original houseguests entered on July 2 which was Day 1? -- MSalmon ( talk) 09:24, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
That the former houseguests entered on July 7th Jnorton7558 ( talk) 15:02, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
Due to the nature of BBUS here is general timeline for the US broadcasts Day 1 is the premiere night (July 7), Days 2-4 (whenever nominations, usually Day 4) is the Sunday show, Days 5-9 (Wednesday, concludes with PoV ceremony) Days 10-13 (live eviction, Thursday). The CBS broadcasts lag so much behind the live feeds major events that happened last night will fall under Wednesday's broadcast since nominations have happened but not the Veto. Hope this explains how Msalmon thought the old Housemates entered on Day 6. Also if the old Housemates entred after Day 1 they would not be eligible for the entire grand prize as stipulated in the contract they all sign. Since they are eligible then they went in on Day 1. ♪♫Al ucard 16♫♪ 18:31, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
to MSalmon: I really don't get it why you are editing this page when in fact you have not seen the programme. And I'm sure you can find ways to do so. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.207.107.21 ( talk) 04:00, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
[4] Can help expand or create a "Viewers" section. AJona1992 ( talk) 19:55, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
In keeping with the format of previous seasons this section should be titled "Summary". I am putting my edit for that section of the page here because apparently I am not allowed to make edits to a page yet since I can't remember my old password I had to create new account harumph. During the first night the houseguests divided into teams of two. In the backard were 7 oversize bananas hanging in the air. Each duo had to hold on to their banana as long as possible. While they were hanging they were sprayed with chocolate sauce and whipped cream. The last house guest left holding on to their banana was Rachel who became the new head of household making her and her partner Brendan safe from eviction for the week. Porsche and Keith were the first duo nominated for eviction by the head of household. On day 6 Dick left the big brother house and his partner and daughter Daniell was given a golden key keeping her safe from eviction until only 10 houseguests remain. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jdrayesq ( talk • contribs) 20:11, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
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It was an addittion not a change and if you read what i had written you would jhave known that. It is done now. Jdrayesq ( talk) 05:31, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
In order to avoid confusion I changed the legend5 to legend6 for Golden Key holders, this is due to legend5 being reserved in American BB articles for the Jury Members while the season is in progress. This means that Golden Key Holders will be indicated with a teal color. The General MoS table above has the colors that are either WP:BIGBRO standards (HoH/Immune/Evicted) or colors that have been achieved through consensus from past discussions (Jury/Optional Power). Since the brown optional power is not available in the Infobox, a teal color like the one in the Infobox legend6 should be used. Now if everyone wants to use legend5 (purple) to represent Golden Key holders then Jury members need to use legend6 but this could confuse readers who are used to legend5 (purple) being used to identify Jury members. ♪♫Al ucard 16♫♪ 08:47, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
Okay I'm just a guest but that Golden Key color is REALLY ugly. It needs to be changed ASAP. It doesn't fit with the Big Brother scheme (which I would also like to mention is ugly itself). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.83.206.239 ( talk) 02:00, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
PLEASE change the Golden Key color. It's ass ugly! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.192.83.113 ( talk) 22:38, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
This is a small complaint, but wouldn't Brendon and Rachel be 27 and 31 by now? 26 and 30 were the ages listed for them last time. Then Brendon was born on July 2, 1980, so it was his birthday the day they went into the house. So he'd be 31 for sure. However Rachel was listed as 26 last season, but her facebook page says that she was born on October 16, 1984, so would she be 26 now? I just feel a need for discussion about this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.62.228.49 ( talk) 14:40, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
I hearby request that all spoilers be refrained from being posted in plain sight on the official Wikipedia page. Users should be forced to click a 'Show' button in order to see spoilers. I visited this page to see the background information for each houseguest, and lo and behold, Dick's exit from the house was spoiled for me. Really unfair to someone who only watches the shows, and I believe my request is more than fair.
Instead of the giant wall of text that make the "Events" section of BB11 & 12 such eyesores (it's like they dare you to try to read and comprehend them), why not have this year's summary a table formatted similar to the way it's done for BB10 and before, as well as many of the international BB summaries? In fact, if I had the time, I'd be tempted to change the summaries for both BB11 & 12 to the table format, which is much friendlier for skimming and understanding.
Week 1 | Entrances |
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Jedzz ( talk) 16:14, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
It looks like this article has been updated beyond what has been aired on CBS; specifically, CBS has aired up to the end of the first nomination ceremony, while this article appears to be past the Power of Veto competition and one houseguest's voluntary withdrawal from the game. Hallpriest9 ( Talk) 18:02, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
Do we even know if the 7/14 eviction is a guarantee since Dick has left?--Cooly123 17:24, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
Does anyone know the name of the 1st veto competition?--Cooly123 13:24, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
How come the ratings section is only showing the 18-49 group? What were the TOTAL ratings for the nights? 6mill? 10 mill? 69.140.66.37 ( talk) 09:53, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
Is this technically correct? I believe she doesn't have to sleep in the Have-not bedroom or use the have-not shower. She only has to eat the slop, in every other way she is a have. 12bigbrother12 ( talk) 17:26, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
She is NOT a have not. Fixed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.238.54.35 ( talk) 03:24, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
Team colors are based on the first HoH challenge Eagle2ch ( talk • contribs) 16:50, 23 July 2011
Some explanation about the contestants throwing more competitions this season than in the past.--Cooly123 01:42, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
Possibly the comments made by Adam and Porsche about hitting Rachel in the stomach with a medicine ball to save her 400$ on an abortion. Time said 5:39 PM BBT (Unknown feed). Could easily be cause for outrage from multiple groups of feminists. (Quote) Shelly: "What do you think the next competition will be?" Adam: "Maybe a medicine ball thrown at your stomach." Porsche: "That will just save Rachel $400." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.67.132.178 ( talk) 09:13, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
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Please change final air date from "September" to "September 14, 2011"
Source; www.eyeoncbs.com (password protected site) CBS Program Order: SURVIVOR: SOUTH PACIFIC (Premiere) 8:00-9:30pm cnyt/cpt BIG BROTHER 13 (Finale) 9:30-11:00pm cnyt/cpt Wednesday, September 14, 2011 OTO
Mad24960 ( talk) 15:54, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
Is Lawon the first jury member...and, if so, should a listing be started? Buster Seven Talk 16:36, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
I don't think the challenge or the house guest visit needs to be so heavily noted in the voting history. I think it was fine the way it was, just showing Brendon as Americas vote under Lawon being evicted 5-0. Is it really necessary seeing as how the section is called "Voting History" and it had nothing to do with a house guest vote. Plus Cassi, Dominic, and Keith did not enter the house or have interaction with the other house guests besides Brendon, so I don't believe they can be considered guests. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eagle2ch ( talk • contribs) 03:40, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
Today, Aug 21st, the week 6 POV winner says Jeff. It was Adam. Thanks! 76.186.225.185 ( talk) 18:55, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
It's a giant eyesore right in the middle and it disrupts the flow of the whole chart/competition. Do we really need a whole column dedicated to the fact that Brendon and Lawon competed in a challenge to get back in the house in the VOTING history? Can't we just have a footnote describing how Brendon got back in the house? MarkMc1990 ( talk) 01:50, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
Apparently Rachel's birthday is October 14, 1984 so that would make her 26 so since I'm not a registered user I can't make the change. Can someone please change it? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.21.155.78 ( talk) 00:14, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
How should this be done in the nomination table? 12bigbrother12 ( talk) 01:56, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
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I have never liked the way the voting history tables handled the 3rd placer's eviction cell. It should have the blue Nominated cell, not the red Evicted cell. Visually, omitting the blue nominated cell in favor of squeezing in the red evicted cell makes it look like he/she was evicted the week before in a double eviction with the 4th placer. For those concerned that they jury vote column gets in the way of indicating the eviction, to me that red row is only necessary to show that the house guest was not present that week due to being evicted, so putting it in the F3 week's row kind of violates that purpose since they were in the house. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that the fact that the contestant is in the 3rd row and cast a jury vote immediately to the right means he/she was evicted in 3rd place, not to mention the eviction result is described at the bottom of the table. Am I the only one who feels this way? MarkMc1990 ( talk) 23:31, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
Rachel wins HOH. Porsche and Adam are nominated. Porsche wins POV and removes herself from the block. The renoms are Adam and Rachel or Porsche whichever one loses Round three. Then the winner of round three (Rachel or Porsche whichever one isn't renomed with Adam) casts the sole vote to evict and then we are down to the final two. 24.211.111.60 ( talk) 05:01, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
As a compromise, I shaded the cell blue like the other nomination cells to show that Adam was indeed nominated this week, but I also kept the word "Evicted" in it, to appease those that want to make it clear that he was evicted that week. I think this is less confusing than before and doesn't make it look like a double elimination happened at the Final 4. Hopefully everyone is ok with this solution. MarkMc1990 ( talk) 23:06, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
I completely understand and support CBS's pre-empting BB13 with a 9/11 special. But I can't seem to find (anywhere) when and where they will broadcast the Sunday Show. Any Ideas? BB After Dark? They should be able to handle this glitch but they (CBS) dont seem to be advertising a new time and place. Buster Seven Talk 23:27, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
Is the Battle to Return portion really necessary for the voting history? It just makes the table look bad and doesn't really show how it impacted the game. Mentioning it in the Summary is enough, IMO. Thoughts?
You should remove (entirely) the first 4 paragraphs of the controversy section. While it is half-way accurate, it is only half-way accurate, telling the side of how Jeff Schroeder is a homophobic, vile, evil person. It doesn't mention the parts about Kalia baiting him, trying to pry hateful responses out of him and keeping the conversation going to try to get him to bury himself deeper. I myself have been thusly baited by people a few times in life, who were trying to provoke reactions to affect my life negatively. This was what Kalia was doing at the time also, and unless we're gonna be fair and impartial on here, it's better to tell no sides of a story than only a very biased, 1-sided version of it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.242.50.77 ( talk) 15:19, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
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I don't know how to reference properly, but if you go to bigbrothernetwork.com, it turns out Julie Chen has confirmed a July 6 launch date. Therefore, I'm going to put it in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.215.184.140 ( talk) 08:26, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
Well, I don't know why they aren't because, unless it is a rumour (and discussion boards do clarify whether the story is a rumour or not) they usually city their source. No, I got this from bigbrothernetwork.com, it isn't a discussion board, it is a fan made news blog; it has been referenced in the past with a high degree of credibility. And again, bigbrothernetwork.com would state whether or not it is a rumour; this time, it isn't. Julie Chen confirmed on The Late Late Show with Craig Ferguson in late March/early April. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.215.184.140 ( talk) 23:57, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
Should the returning houseguests be listed in the infobox as Day 1 or Day 6 because the 8 original houseguests entered on July 2 which was Day 1? -- MSalmon ( talk) 09:24, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
That the former houseguests entered on July 7th Jnorton7558 ( talk) 15:02, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
Due to the nature of BBUS here is general timeline for the US broadcasts Day 1 is the premiere night (July 7), Days 2-4 (whenever nominations, usually Day 4) is the Sunday show, Days 5-9 (Wednesday, concludes with PoV ceremony) Days 10-13 (live eviction, Thursday). The CBS broadcasts lag so much behind the live feeds major events that happened last night will fall under Wednesday's broadcast since nominations have happened but not the Veto. Hope this explains how Msalmon thought the old Housemates entered on Day 6. Also if the old Housemates entred after Day 1 they would not be eligible for the entire grand prize as stipulated in the contract they all sign. Since they are eligible then they went in on Day 1. ♪♫Al ucard 16♫♪ 18:31, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
to MSalmon: I really don't get it why you are editing this page when in fact you have not seen the programme. And I'm sure you can find ways to do so. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.207.107.21 ( talk) 04:00, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
[4] Can help expand or create a "Viewers" section. AJona1992 ( talk) 19:55, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
In keeping with the format of previous seasons this section should be titled "Summary". I am putting my edit for that section of the page here because apparently I am not allowed to make edits to a page yet since I can't remember my old password I had to create new account harumph. During the first night the houseguests divided into teams of two. In the backard were 7 oversize bananas hanging in the air. Each duo had to hold on to their banana as long as possible. While they were hanging they were sprayed with chocolate sauce and whipped cream. The last house guest left holding on to their banana was Rachel who became the new head of household making her and her partner Brendan safe from eviction for the week. Porsche and Keith were the first duo nominated for eviction by the head of household. On day 6 Dick left the big brother house and his partner and daughter Daniell was given a golden key keeping her safe from eviction until only 10 houseguests remain. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jdrayesq ( talk • contribs) 20:11, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
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It was an addittion not a change and if you read what i had written you would jhave known that. It is done now. Jdrayesq ( talk) 05:31, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
In order to avoid confusion I changed the legend5 to legend6 for Golden Key holders, this is due to legend5 being reserved in American BB articles for the Jury Members while the season is in progress. This means that Golden Key Holders will be indicated with a teal color. The General MoS table above has the colors that are either WP:BIGBRO standards (HoH/Immune/Evicted) or colors that have been achieved through consensus from past discussions (Jury/Optional Power). Since the brown optional power is not available in the Infobox, a teal color like the one in the Infobox legend6 should be used. Now if everyone wants to use legend5 (purple) to represent Golden Key holders then Jury members need to use legend6 but this could confuse readers who are used to legend5 (purple) being used to identify Jury members. ♪♫Al ucard 16♫♪ 08:47, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
Okay I'm just a guest but that Golden Key color is REALLY ugly. It needs to be changed ASAP. It doesn't fit with the Big Brother scheme (which I would also like to mention is ugly itself). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.83.206.239 ( talk) 02:00, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
PLEASE change the Golden Key color. It's ass ugly! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.192.83.113 ( talk) 22:38, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
This is a small complaint, but wouldn't Brendon and Rachel be 27 and 31 by now? 26 and 30 were the ages listed for them last time. Then Brendon was born on July 2, 1980, so it was his birthday the day they went into the house. So he'd be 31 for sure. However Rachel was listed as 26 last season, but her facebook page says that she was born on October 16, 1984, so would she be 26 now? I just feel a need for discussion about this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.62.228.49 ( talk) 14:40, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
I hearby request that all spoilers be refrained from being posted in plain sight on the official Wikipedia page. Users should be forced to click a 'Show' button in order to see spoilers. I visited this page to see the background information for each houseguest, and lo and behold, Dick's exit from the house was spoiled for me. Really unfair to someone who only watches the shows, and I believe my request is more than fair.
Instead of the giant wall of text that make the "Events" section of BB11 & 12 such eyesores (it's like they dare you to try to read and comprehend them), why not have this year's summary a table formatted similar to the way it's done for BB10 and before, as well as many of the international BB summaries? In fact, if I had the time, I'd be tempted to change the summaries for both BB11 & 12 to the table format, which is much friendlier for skimming and understanding.
Week 1 | Entrances |
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Jedzz ( talk) 16:14, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
It looks like this article has been updated beyond what has been aired on CBS; specifically, CBS has aired up to the end of the first nomination ceremony, while this article appears to be past the Power of Veto competition and one houseguest's voluntary withdrawal from the game. Hallpriest9 ( Talk) 18:02, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
Do we even know if the 7/14 eviction is a guarantee since Dick has left?--Cooly123 17:24, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
Does anyone know the name of the 1st veto competition?--Cooly123 13:24, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
How come the ratings section is only showing the 18-49 group? What were the TOTAL ratings for the nights? 6mill? 10 mill? 69.140.66.37 ( talk) 09:53, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
Is this technically correct? I believe she doesn't have to sleep in the Have-not bedroom or use the have-not shower. She only has to eat the slop, in every other way she is a have. 12bigbrother12 ( talk) 17:26, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
She is NOT a have not. Fixed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.238.54.35 ( talk) 03:24, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
Team colors are based on the first HoH challenge Eagle2ch ( talk • contribs) 16:50, 23 July 2011
Some explanation about the contestants throwing more competitions this season than in the past.--Cooly123 01:42, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
Possibly the comments made by Adam and Porsche about hitting Rachel in the stomach with a medicine ball to save her 400$ on an abortion. Time said 5:39 PM BBT (Unknown feed). Could easily be cause for outrage from multiple groups of feminists. (Quote) Shelly: "What do you think the next competition will be?" Adam: "Maybe a medicine ball thrown at your stomach." Porsche: "That will just save Rachel $400." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.67.132.178 ( talk) 09:13, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
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Source; www.eyeoncbs.com (password protected site) CBS Program Order: SURVIVOR: SOUTH PACIFIC (Premiere) 8:00-9:30pm cnyt/cpt BIG BROTHER 13 (Finale) 9:30-11:00pm cnyt/cpt Wednesday, September 14, 2011 OTO
Mad24960 ( talk) 15:54, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
Is Lawon the first jury member...and, if so, should a listing be started? Buster Seven Talk 16:36, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
I don't think the challenge or the house guest visit needs to be so heavily noted in the voting history. I think it was fine the way it was, just showing Brendon as Americas vote under Lawon being evicted 5-0. Is it really necessary seeing as how the section is called "Voting History" and it had nothing to do with a house guest vote. Plus Cassi, Dominic, and Keith did not enter the house or have interaction with the other house guests besides Brendon, so I don't believe they can be considered guests. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eagle2ch ( talk • contribs) 03:40, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
Today, Aug 21st, the week 6 POV winner says Jeff. It was Adam. Thanks! 76.186.225.185 ( talk) 18:55, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
It's a giant eyesore right in the middle and it disrupts the flow of the whole chart/competition. Do we really need a whole column dedicated to the fact that Brendon and Lawon competed in a challenge to get back in the house in the VOTING history? Can't we just have a footnote describing how Brendon got back in the house? MarkMc1990 ( talk) 01:50, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
Apparently Rachel's birthday is October 14, 1984 so that would make her 26 so since I'm not a registered user I can't make the change. Can someone please change it? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.21.155.78 ( talk) 00:14, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
How should this be done in the nomination table? 12bigbrother12 ( talk) 01:56, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
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76.181.37.76 ( talk) 02:43, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
I have never liked the way the voting history tables handled the 3rd placer's eviction cell. It should have the blue Nominated cell, not the red Evicted cell. Visually, omitting the blue nominated cell in favor of squeezing in the red evicted cell makes it look like he/she was evicted the week before in a double eviction with the 4th placer. For those concerned that they jury vote column gets in the way of indicating the eviction, to me that red row is only necessary to show that the house guest was not present that week due to being evicted, so putting it in the F3 week's row kind of violates that purpose since they were in the house. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that the fact that the contestant is in the 3rd row and cast a jury vote immediately to the right means he/she was evicted in 3rd place, not to mention the eviction result is described at the bottom of the table. Am I the only one who feels this way? MarkMc1990 ( talk) 23:31, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
Rachel wins HOH. Porsche and Adam are nominated. Porsche wins POV and removes herself from the block. The renoms are Adam and Rachel or Porsche whichever one loses Round three. Then the winner of round three (Rachel or Porsche whichever one isn't renomed with Adam) casts the sole vote to evict and then we are down to the final two. 24.211.111.60 ( talk) 05:01, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
As a compromise, I shaded the cell blue like the other nomination cells to show that Adam was indeed nominated this week, but I also kept the word "Evicted" in it, to appease those that want to make it clear that he was evicted that week. I think this is less confusing than before and doesn't make it look like a double elimination happened at the Final 4. Hopefully everyone is ok with this solution. MarkMc1990 ( talk) 23:06, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
I completely understand and support CBS's pre-empting BB13 with a 9/11 special. But I can't seem to find (anywhere) when and where they will broadcast the Sunday Show. Any Ideas? BB After Dark? They should be able to handle this glitch but they (CBS) dont seem to be advertising a new time and place. Buster Seven Talk 23:27, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
Is the Battle to Return portion really necessary for the voting history? It just makes the table look bad and doesn't really show how it impacted the game. Mentioning it in the Summary is enough, IMO. Thoughts?
You should remove (entirely) the first 4 paragraphs of the controversy section. While it is half-way accurate, it is only half-way accurate, telling the side of how Jeff Schroeder is a homophobic, vile, evil person. It doesn't mention the parts about Kalia baiting him, trying to pry hateful responses out of him and keeping the conversation going to try to get him to bury himself deeper. I myself have been thusly baited by people a few times in life, who were trying to provoke reactions to affect my life negatively. This was what Kalia was doing at the time also, and unless we're gonna be fair and impartial on here, it's better to tell no sides of a story than only a very biased, 1-sided version of it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.242.50.77 ( talk) 15:19, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
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