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Currently this article is about the excavation at Bhirrana and not the modern village. Since the modern settlement was (I assume) built much later on the site after the ancient settlement was long deserted, it's probably best to make two separate articles about the ancient settlement and the modern settlement. Once somebody wants to make an article for modern Bhirrana, it should probably carry this name; the content of the current article is better moved to a different article then, with a title such as Bhirrana archaeological site for example. -- AlexanderVanLoon ( talk) 12:12, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
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Hi, I have improved the introduction part by adding dates. The dates were already there in the later section down in the article. This site is such an old established site, it should reflect dates in the main introduction just like all other pages of other IVC sites. I also added a bit of information about Ghaggar river being the former course of the Himalayan river Sutlej which abandoned the palaeochannel shortley after 8,000 years ago, which is the 6th millennium BCE as found by the studies done by IIT Kanpur, Imperial college London and many other universities & institutions. I am a new user and this is one of my first edits. Please advise if any improvements can be made to my edits. I was listening to the involved archeologists themselves after which I decided to read more information about this archeological site on internet and came to wikipedia. Although the information available on this page is detailed enough to be a good article. I am reading other published journals about this archeological site and will add more information to make this article more interesting which will benefit all the readers of wikipedia. Thanks -- Havimel ( talk) 10:05, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
If this site is Pre-Harappan, how does it become the 'oldest Harapan site'? ChandlerMinh ( talk) 04:31, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
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The site is one of the many sites seen along the channels of the ancient Saraswati riverine systems [1] [2]
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The term 'Sarasvati' is a Rigvedic term, from the post-IVC Aryan culture. It has nothing to do with the Harappan civilisation, even less the pre-Harappan neolithic, except for those who want to equate the IVC-culture with the Vedic culture, for political and religious reasons. This makes it a controversial term, associated with Hindu nationalism. To use the term this way, as a statement of fact, is WP:UNDUE and WP:COATRACK. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 10:57, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
The date of 7570 BCE is the upper date of a time-range of 7570-7180 BCE, for one charcoal-sample. A second sample was dated at 6689-6201 BCE. That is, altogether, a time-range of 7570-6201, from one author. If general overview-works agree to change the start of the pre-Harappan phase in general from 7000 BCE to 7500 BCE, then we can consider to change the date in the articles. Your personal opinions on what constitutes a civilisation are completely irrelevant; we rely on WP:RS, not on WP:OR. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 02:16, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
This exceptional dating will likely fall flat soon. Present government and ASI wants to push the dates of everything to as early as they can. Like the Sinauli carts, which was publicised as pre2000BCE and later was dated to 1800-1500BCE. ChandlerMinh ( talk) 11:19, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
Please provide references which are based on the Bhirrana excavation for the Table added in the Dating section of this Page. Please provide what scholarly consensus have been reached of these phases of Bhirrana site.-- Havimel ( talk) 04:31, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
Again just like before, Joshua Jonathan has showed circular edit behaviour. He initially kept pushing "pre-IVC" classification of Bhirrana. Now he in circular manner removed that "pre-IVC classification" from the first line of introduction. Like initially Joshua Jonathan kept removing all the dates from this Bhirrana page, including the dates from the right hand side table. Then in circular manner, he added back the dates when I asked for a wikipedia committee to review. From start to until now, they kept sending me block warnings for the edits which these editors would go back and made themselves. This seems a complete non sense circular behaviour by these group of editors who are harassing me for making edits.-- Havimel ( talk) 03:36, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
Hi, I have made a small improvement and added titles as sub-headings of this article in section Cultures. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xavidesh ( talk • contribs) 23 september 2020 (UTC)
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Currently this article is about the excavation at Bhirrana and not the modern village. Since the modern settlement was (I assume) built much later on the site after the ancient settlement was long deserted, it's probably best to make two separate articles about the ancient settlement and the modern settlement. Once somebody wants to make an article for modern Bhirrana, it should probably carry this name; the content of the current article is better moved to a different article then, with a title such as Bhirrana archaeological site for example. -- AlexanderVanLoon ( talk) 12:12, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
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Hi, I have improved the introduction part by adding dates. The dates were already there in the later section down in the article. This site is such an old established site, it should reflect dates in the main introduction just like all other pages of other IVC sites. I also added a bit of information about Ghaggar river being the former course of the Himalayan river Sutlej which abandoned the palaeochannel shortley after 8,000 years ago, which is the 6th millennium BCE as found by the studies done by IIT Kanpur, Imperial college London and many other universities & institutions. I am a new user and this is one of my first edits. Please advise if any improvements can be made to my edits. I was listening to the involved archeologists themselves after which I decided to read more information about this archeological site on internet and came to wikipedia. Although the information available on this page is detailed enough to be a good article. I am reading other published journals about this archeological site and will add more information to make this article more interesting which will benefit all the readers of wikipedia. Thanks -- Havimel ( talk) 10:05, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
If this site is Pre-Harappan, how does it become the 'oldest Harapan site'? ChandlerMinh ( talk) 04:31, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
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The site is one of the many sites seen along the channels of the ancient Saraswati riverine systems [1] [2]
References
The term 'Sarasvati' is a Rigvedic term, from the post-IVC Aryan culture. It has nothing to do with the Harappan civilisation, even less the pre-Harappan neolithic, except for those who want to equate the IVC-culture with the Vedic culture, for political and religious reasons. This makes it a controversial term, associated with Hindu nationalism. To use the term this way, as a statement of fact, is WP:UNDUE and WP:COATRACK. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 10:57, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
The date of 7570 BCE is the upper date of a time-range of 7570-7180 BCE, for one charcoal-sample. A second sample was dated at 6689-6201 BCE. That is, altogether, a time-range of 7570-6201, from one author. If general overview-works agree to change the start of the pre-Harappan phase in general from 7000 BCE to 7500 BCE, then we can consider to change the date in the articles. Your personal opinions on what constitutes a civilisation are completely irrelevant; we rely on WP:RS, not on WP:OR. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 02:16, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
This exceptional dating will likely fall flat soon. Present government and ASI wants to push the dates of everything to as early as they can. Like the Sinauli carts, which was publicised as pre2000BCE and later was dated to 1800-1500BCE. ChandlerMinh ( talk) 11:19, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
Please provide references which are based on the Bhirrana excavation for the Table added in the Dating section of this Page. Please provide what scholarly consensus have been reached of these phases of Bhirrana site.-- Havimel ( talk) 04:31, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
Again just like before, Joshua Jonathan has showed circular edit behaviour. He initially kept pushing "pre-IVC" classification of Bhirrana. Now he in circular manner removed that "pre-IVC classification" from the first line of introduction. Like initially Joshua Jonathan kept removing all the dates from this Bhirrana page, including the dates from the right hand side table. Then in circular manner, he added back the dates when I asked for a wikipedia committee to review. From start to until now, they kept sending me block warnings for the edits which these editors would go back and made themselves. This seems a complete non sense circular behaviour by these group of editors who are harassing me for making edits.-- Havimel ( talk) 03:36, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
Hi, I have made a small improvement and added titles as sub-headings of this article in section Cultures. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xavidesh ( talk • contribs) 23 september 2020 (UTC)