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I'm very doubtful her weight is 33kg, being a gymnast myself this is unlikely. I think it is somewhat pointless quoting her weight, is it really meaningful information? albeit even necessary? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.128.90.202 ( talk) 00:16, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
It says her weight is 33kg. Is that true? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.188.171.56 ( talk) 19:27, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
I know nothing about gymnastics. So when I see phrases like: "only lost by 0.013", "over three tenths" and "less than half a tenth" I am baffled . What unit of measurement are we talking about here ?
"she had qualified in second place to the all around and was a medal possibility". Huh ?
RASAM 15:27, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
the highest possible mark in artistic gymnastics is a 10.000. "she had qualified in second place to the all around and was a medal possibility". means she qualified for the FINAL in second postion, she came second in the QUALIFIER and there was a good chance she could get a medal in the FINAL. CheeseLover 03:32, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
Someone wanted a citation for the Nelli Kim score. I've looked on www.gymn-forum.com and www.gymnasticsresults.com and unfortunately they don't have the judges listed mark by mark for this competition- sometimes they do. They just have the final overall score, which is an average of several scores given and doesn't mention which judge gave what. The best I can do is provide a link to a fan messageboard where the scoring was discussed. Try http://www.gymworld.de/gymboard/showthread.php3?s=3978148dc160ddfb53410bc956a35dad&threadid=26970&perpage=15&pagenumber=6 and http://www.gymworld.de/gymboard/showthread.php3?s=3978148dc160ddfb53410bc956a35dad&threadid=26983. Sorry, I know this source isn't perfect, but just ignore the personal opinions on there and look at when people mention the low score. I promise they aren't just making it up about the 9.300! There just don't seem to be fully itemised scores anywhere on the internet, not that I could find at least. Anyway, hope this helps. miss zara, 03/04/06
I don't know what you mean about the official FIG position. Sorry if the forums didn't clear it up for you, there is something in that particular section though. Unfortunately there just doesn't seem to exist anywhere an itemised list of judges marks, which is why I had to resort to that forum option. Its not on the FIG site either (not that I'm implying anything suspicious) and the sites that were doing quicklinks at the time apparently aren't there anymore. Best I can suggest is that anyone who's interested downloads coverage. The BBC coverage lists individual judges scores, and it can be found if you join the hub (get to it at www.gymworld.de, and before anyone moans, the forum is the only way to access it!). Again, sorry about this, the problem with gymnastics being a minority sport is that sometimes the archives are a tad lacking! miss zara 04/04/06
Ok cmapm, now I understand what you mean. Please understand though that I wasn't intending the personal opinions about the validity of the score to be used as encyclopedic source material, just the mentions of the low score. I'm aware that its an imperfect source, it was just an idea, clearly its not ideal and I don't mind that being stated. The usual sites for this kind of thing just aren't specific enough for our purposes. I do think its better to mention a less reliable source with caveats attatched then cut out the whole thing altogether though. Also I agree with you about every judge having a right to score as they see fit (and also think rules about all counting scores having to be within a certain range ought to be universally applied at international level, sometimes they aren't!).
I'd be delighted for the article to follow your suggestion of citing the scores from all judges and naming them individually. That sounds ideal.
miss zara 05/04/06
Ok cmapm, from the bbc coverage, just for you!
FIG 9.30 FIG 9.65 FIG 9.75 MEX 9.55 CZE 9.60 ARG 9.65
Now all we need is a list of judges by name, but this is a start. I noted these down from a taped copy as my computer won't let me on the hub at the moment. But I can't imagine that the coverage there can be that difficult to find, in fact I downloaded it myself for a friend last year, and they have everything, ever, on the hub.
miss zara 06/04/06
It is controversial because the 9.30 was MUCH further out of line with the other judges average than the 9.750 was (three tenths lower than the average compared to one and a half tenths, BTW!). I think I'll also put in that there was debate by fans about the validity of the 9.30 score when I re-edit this following our discussion here (and of course will cite sources for the fan debate too). I intend to put all the judges scores on the page, as you suggested. If anyone else other than cmapm would like to make some more suggestions, please do so. It would be better if it wasn't just the two of us! So I'll leave it a couple of days, time for anyone else to provide us with more information, and then make an edit.
Does anyone think it would be a good idea to make comparisons with what judges were giving other routines, ie to check whether the 9.75 judge was being consistently generous to everyone or just Tweddle? And whether Nelli Kim was equally harsh too all? I'm happy to check up on this if it would help the article.
miss zara 08/04/06
Is there some reason why the names of cities she won medals in are in all capital letters? Reywas92 Talk 23:21, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
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I'm very doubtful her weight is 33kg, being a gymnast myself this is unlikely. I think it is somewhat pointless quoting her weight, is it really meaningful information? albeit even necessary? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.128.90.202 ( talk) 00:16, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
It says her weight is 33kg. Is that true? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.188.171.56 ( talk) 19:27, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
I know nothing about gymnastics. So when I see phrases like: "only lost by 0.013", "over three tenths" and "less than half a tenth" I am baffled . What unit of measurement are we talking about here ?
"she had qualified in second place to the all around and was a medal possibility". Huh ?
RASAM 15:27, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
the highest possible mark in artistic gymnastics is a 10.000. "she had qualified in second place to the all around and was a medal possibility". means she qualified for the FINAL in second postion, she came second in the QUALIFIER and there was a good chance she could get a medal in the FINAL. CheeseLover 03:32, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
Someone wanted a citation for the Nelli Kim score. I've looked on www.gymn-forum.com and www.gymnasticsresults.com and unfortunately they don't have the judges listed mark by mark for this competition- sometimes they do. They just have the final overall score, which is an average of several scores given and doesn't mention which judge gave what. The best I can do is provide a link to a fan messageboard where the scoring was discussed. Try http://www.gymworld.de/gymboard/showthread.php3?s=3978148dc160ddfb53410bc956a35dad&threadid=26970&perpage=15&pagenumber=6 and http://www.gymworld.de/gymboard/showthread.php3?s=3978148dc160ddfb53410bc956a35dad&threadid=26983. Sorry, I know this source isn't perfect, but just ignore the personal opinions on there and look at when people mention the low score. I promise they aren't just making it up about the 9.300! There just don't seem to be fully itemised scores anywhere on the internet, not that I could find at least. Anyway, hope this helps. miss zara, 03/04/06
I don't know what you mean about the official FIG position. Sorry if the forums didn't clear it up for you, there is something in that particular section though. Unfortunately there just doesn't seem to exist anywhere an itemised list of judges marks, which is why I had to resort to that forum option. Its not on the FIG site either (not that I'm implying anything suspicious) and the sites that were doing quicklinks at the time apparently aren't there anymore. Best I can suggest is that anyone who's interested downloads coverage. The BBC coverage lists individual judges scores, and it can be found if you join the hub (get to it at www.gymworld.de, and before anyone moans, the forum is the only way to access it!). Again, sorry about this, the problem with gymnastics being a minority sport is that sometimes the archives are a tad lacking! miss zara 04/04/06
Ok cmapm, now I understand what you mean. Please understand though that I wasn't intending the personal opinions about the validity of the score to be used as encyclopedic source material, just the mentions of the low score. I'm aware that its an imperfect source, it was just an idea, clearly its not ideal and I don't mind that being stated. The usual sites for this kind of thing just aren't specific enough for our purposes. I do think its better to mention a less reliable source with caveats attatched then cut out the whole thing altogether though. Also I agree with you about every judge having a right to score as they see fit (and also think rules about all counting scores having to be within a certain range ought to be universally applied at international level, sometimes they aren't!).
I'd be delighted for the article to follow your suggestion of citing the scores from all judges and naming them individually. That sounds ideal.
miss zara 05/04/06
Ok cmapm, from the bbc coverage, just for you!
FIG 9.30 FIG 9.65 FIG 9.75 MEX 9.55 CZE 9.60 ARG 9.65
Now all we need is a list of judges by name, but this is a start. I noted these down from a taped copy as my computer won't let me on the hub at the moment. But I can't imagine that the coverage there can be that difficult to find, in fact I downloaded it myself for a friend last year, and they have everything, ever, on the hub.
miss zara 06/04/06
It is controversial because the 9.30 was MUCH further out of line with the other judges average than the 9.750 was (three tenths lower than the average compared to one and a half tenths, BTW!). I think I'll also put in that there was debate by fans about the validity of the 9.30 score when I re-edit this following our discussion here (and of course will cite sources for the fan debate too). I intend to put all the judges scores on the page, as you suggested. If anyone else other than cmapm would like to make some more suggestions, please do so. It would be better if it wasn't just the two of us! So I'll leave it a couple of days, time for anyone else to provide us with more information, and then make an edit.
Does anyone think it would be a good idea to make comparisons with what judges were giving other routines, ie to check whether the 9.75 judge was being consistently generous to everyone or just Tweddle? And whether Nelli Kim was equally harsh too all? I'm happy to check up on this if it would help the article.
miss zara 08/04/06
Is there some reason why the names of cities she won medals in are in all capital letters? Reywas92 Talk 23:21, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
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