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When I first saw this article, I was surprized to see that some random editor had placed Bernard Lee under the catagory titled "Gay Actors". As a big fan of the James Bond series and an admirer of Lee's performance as "M", I had to find out if this was true. However, during my research, I could not find any solid evidence (not even in the biography section for Lee in the Internet Movie Database) that Lee was actually a homosexual. Therefore, I came to the conclusion that the inclusion of the "Gay Actors" tag in this article was probably either the result of vandalism or malicious rumors and I felt obliged to remove this controversial tag. If anyone had any solid proof that Bernard Lee was in fact gay, please provide actual references before re-adding this catagory back into the article. Thank you! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kaiser Taylor ( talk • contribs) 10:10, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
Actually, it was well known in the acting profession that Lee was both gay and an alcoholic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.15.57.80 ( talk) 10:10, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
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Reviewer: Aircorn ( talk · contribs) 15:42, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
Well done on the expansion. You deserve a lot of credit for getting as much information as you have. Unfortunately some prose issues have been introduced. They should be easily fixed though. I made some changes myself, feel free to revert any you don't agree with. [5]
Fantastic news - thanks very much for the trouble you went to on this: it's much appreciated! Cheers - SchroCat ( ^ • @) 10:23, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
I don't mean to be a spoil sport but this article is severerly lacking adequate discussion of his career as an actor. It blindly ignores discussion of his theatrical career, ignores decades of his career let alone critical commentary on his acting roles aside from M.♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:08, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
I read that Lee's career spanned 1934 to 1979, beginning on stage at the age of six. That seems to suggest he was born in 1928. Yet, I also see he was born in 1908, so he turned six in 1914, not 1934. Was "six" meant to say "twenty six"? -- ♬ Jack of Oz ♬ [your turn] 06:22, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
In the GRO births index there is an entry for a John Bernard Lee, March quarter 1908, Registration district Brentford, volume 3a, page 224. This supports the statement that he was born in London rather than Cork.
In the 1911 census the entry for 67 Speldhurst Road, Acton Green, West London lists the following family:
Charles Edmund Lee 47 Theatrical Actor Armagh City Ireland Resident
Ellen Lee (married 7 years) 30 Liverpool Lancs
Edmund James Lee 5 Fulham S W
John Bernard Lee 3 Chiswick W
This appears to be the correct family: Chiswick is within the Brentford registration district. However, his father is Charles Edmund Lee (not Edmund James Lee) — Preceding
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188.28.50.36 (
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02:30, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
Savolya, When one of your Bold edits is Reverted, you should Discuss, not just try and force your opinions onto an article. There is no need for a misleading and pointless box at the top of the page, and your nothing in the MOS that demands one is there. Additionally, and as I pointed out on my talk page to you, your effort was error-strewn, with contentious details, wrong active years, ridiculous POV in the known for field and a foreign date format. - SchroCat ( talk) 12:01, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
Agree completely, left a message on his talk page until he reverted me here. ♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 12:24, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
Six years in uniform - might we know what rank, whether he was posted abroad, and whether he saw active service? Valetude ( talk) 19:53, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Bernard Lee | |
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Born | John Bernard Lee January 10, 1908 |
Died | January 16, 1981 | (aged 73)
Nationality | English |
Occupation | Actor |
Years active | 1934-1979 |
Known for | Playing M in the James Bond films |
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Before reverting again, Emir of Wikipedia, and the other user who reverted, please familiarise yourselves with WP:BRD and MOS:INFOBOX and guide me to the relevant piece where it says infoboxes are required in all circumstances. Thanks. Cassianto Talk 17:56, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
An Rfc is ongoing at MOS:INFOBOX concerning mandatory infoboxes in bio articles. Suggest EoW bring his arguments there. GoodDay ( talk) 18:44, 14 January 2017 (UTC) |
I'm not seeing the issue with having an infobox. There's nothing on MOS:INFOBOX stating only certain people get them. It given an encapsulation of the person in a very brief order and thus adds to the article. Is there anything you're seeing that would prohibit an infoxbox here ? Kosh Vorlon} 19:17, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
Oppose. Infoboxes should be used only occasionally, with great care. They should not be a formulaic part of articles. Infoboxes seem to pander to the lowest concentration span. Their premise seems to be that readers can't absorb the key facts from extended text, or that they want isolated factoids hammered into a prefabricated shape. They judder against the lead as a summary of the main text, but are prone to deceive (not by purpose, but in effect). Their inclusion would be derided in any culture that wasn't saturated with 30-second television ads and news broadcasts featuring 5- to 10-second grabs from politicians, PR consultants and disaster witnesses. Infoboxes are at loggerheads with WP's goal of providing reliable, deep information about the world; they intrude between readers and their all-important engagement with the opening of the main text. Further reasons include:
With bated breath, and with an almost unexplained quiver of excitement in my gentleman's area at the prospect of such a discussion, I now open up the floor to others. Cassianto Talk 19:27, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
In general, it is perfectly acceptable to notify other editors of ongoing discussions, provided that it be done with the intent to improve the quality of the discussion by broadening participation to more fully achieve consensus., it is better to do that they to make good faith editors mistakenly think that there is some consensus to not include. Emir of Wikipedia ( talk) 13:08, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
Canvassing is notification done with the intention of influencing the outcome of a discussion in a particular way, and is considered inappropriate". Looking at the list of behaviour at Inappropriate notification, it lists biased or partisan as two things that are inappropriate. Contacting only people who you know will side with you is inappropriate. – SchroCat ( talk) 13:36, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
Thought it might be useful to mention that "OK Connery" was released as "Operation Kid Brother" in the UK. 46.7.195.132 ( talk) 20:29, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
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When I first saw this article, I was surprized to see that some random editor had placed Bernard Lee under the catagory titled "Gay Actors". As a big fan of the James Bond series and an admirer of Lee's performance as "M", I had to find out if this was true. However, during my research, I could not find any solid evidence (not even in the biography section for Lee in the Internet Movie Database) that Lee was actually a homosexual. Therefore, I came to the conclusion that the inclusion of the "Gay Actors" tag in this article was probably either the result of vandalism or malicious rumors and I felt obliged to remove this controversial tag. If anyone had any solid proof that Bernard Lee was in fact gay, please provide actual references before re-adding this catagory back into the article. Thank you! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kaiser Taylor ( talk • contribs) 10:10, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
Actually, it was well known in the acting profession that Lee was both gay and an alcoholic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.15.57.80 ( talk) 10:10, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
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Reviewer: Aircorn ( talk · contribs) 15:42, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
Well done on the expansion. You deserve a lot of credit for getting as much information as you have. Unfortunately some prose issues have been introduced. They should be easily fixed though. I made some changes myself, feel free to revert any you don't agree with. [5]
Fantastic news - thanks very much for the trouble you went to on this: it's much appreciated! Cheers - SchroCat ( ^ • @) 10:23, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
I don't mean to be a spoil sport but this article is severerly lacking adequate discussion of his career as an actor. It blindly ignores discussion of his theatrical career, ignores decades of his career let alone critical commentary on his acting roles aside from M.♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:08, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
I read that Lee's career spanned 1934 to 1979, beginning on stage at the age of six. That seems to suggest he was born in 1928. Yet, I also see he was born in 1908, so he turned six in 1914, not 1934. Was "six" meant to say "twenty six"? -- ♬ Jack of Oz ♬ [your turn] 06:22, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
In the GRO births index there is an entry for a John Bernard Lee, March quarter 1908, Registration district Brentford, volume 3a, page 224. This supports the statement that he was born in London rather than Cork.
In the 1911 census the entry for 67 Speldhurst Road, Acton Green, West London lists the following family:
Charles Edmund Lee 47 Theatrical Actor Armagh City Ireland Resident
Ellen Lee (married 7 years) 30 Liverpool Lancs
Edmund James Lee 5 Fulham S W
John Bernard Lee 3 Chiswick W
This appears to be the correct family: Chiswick is within the Brentford registration district. However, his father is Charles Edmund Lee (not Edmund James Lee) — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
188.28.50.36 (
talk)
02:30, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
Savolya, When one of your Bold edits is Reverted, you should Discuss, not just try and force your opinions onto an article. There is no need for a misleading and pointless box at the top of the page, and your nothing in the MOS that demands one is there. Additionally, and as I pointed out on my talk page to you, your effort was error-strewn, with contentious details, wrong active years, ridiculous POV in the known for field and a foreign date format. - SchroCat ( talk) 12:01, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
Agree completely, left a message on his talk page until he reverted me here. ♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 12:24, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
Six years in uniform - might we know what rank, whether he was posted abroad, and whether he saw active service? Valetude ( talk) 19:53, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Bernard Lee | |
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Born | John Bernard Lee January 10, 1908 |
Died | January 16, 1981 | (aged 73)
Nationality | English |
Occupation | Actor |
Years active | 1934-1979 |
Known for | Playing M in the James Bond films |
Extended content
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Before reverting again, Emir of Wikipedia, and the other user who reverted, please familiarise yourselves with WP:BRD and MOS:INFOBOX and guide me to the relevant piece where it says infoboxes are required in all circumstances. Thanks. Cassianto Talk 17:56, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
An Rfc is ongoing at MOS:INFOBOX concerning mandatory infoboxes in bio articles. Suggest EoW bring his arguments there. GoodDay ( talk) 18:44, 14 January 2017 (UTC) |
I'm not seeing the issue with having an infobox. There's nothing on MOS:INFOBOX stating only certain people get them. It given an encapsulation of the person in a very brief order and thus adds to the article. Is there anything you're seeing that would prohibit an infoxbox here ? Kosh Vorlon} 19:17, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
Oppose. Infoboxes should be used only occasionally, with great care. They should not be a formulaic part of articles. Infoboxes seem to pander to the lowest concentration span. Their premise seems to be that readers can't absorb the key facts from extended text, or that they want isolated factoids hammered into a prefabricated shape. They judder against the lead as a summary of the main text, but are prone to deceive (not by purpose, but in effect). Their inclusion would be derided in any culture that wasn't saturated with 30-second television ads and news broadcasts featuring 5- to 10-second grabs from politicians, PR consultants and disaster witnesses. Infoboxes are at loggerheads with WP's goal of providing reliable, deep information about the world; they intrude between readers and their all-important engagement with the opening of the main text. Further reasons include:
With bated breath, and with an almost unexplained quiver of excitement in my gentleman's area at the prospect of such a discussion, I now open up the floor to others. Cassianto Talk 19:27, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
In general, it is perfectly acceptable to notify other editors of ongoing discussions, provided that it be done with the intent to improve the quality of the discussion by broadening participation to more fully achieve consensus., it is better to do that they to make good faith editors mistakenly think that there is some consensus to not include. Emir of Wikipedia ( talk) 13:08, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
Canvassing is notification done with the intention of influencing the outcome of a discussion in a particular way, and is considered inappropriate". Looking at the list of behaviour at Inappropriate notification, it lists biased or partisan as two things that are inappropriate. Contacting only people who you know will side with you is inappropriate. – SchroCat ( talk) 13:36, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
Thought it might be useful to mention that "OK Connery" was released as "Operation Kid Brother" in the UK. 46.7.195.132 ( talk) 20:29, 5 October 2019 (UTC)