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Can someone with better wiki knowledge please fix the horrible formatting of the section breaks? There's presently a bunch of edit links in a row, each corresponding to a different section of the document. It's screaming for help. :) Shigpit 17:12, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
I'm a complete novice and could not figure out how to fix a bad link I found on this page: ( http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Bergen_County,_New_Jersey)
The shorcut that is supposed to link to the Bergen County Map from 1918 is trying to find the non-existent 1819 map ( http://mapmaker.rutgers.edu/BERGEN_COUNTY/BergenCounty_1819.jpg). A simple transposition, but I can't find the link nor the surrounding text at "edit this article at Wikipedia.org".
To the next skilled person that reads this: could you change the link behind "1918" under the "Historic maps of Bergen County, courtesy Rutgers Collection" heading to " http://mapmaker.rutgers.edu/BERGEN_COUNTY/BergenCounty_1918.jpg". This shortcut DOES go to the correct page.
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The article says the founding date of the county is 1675. The county seal shows 1683. Which is correct? -- ChrisRuvolo ( t) 19:51, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
A wiki should be filled with facts, not opinions or subjective statements. In the Blue Laws section of the Bergen Co wiki, Alansohn of Teaneck insists on keeping this text intact:
"It has produced the ironic situation that one of the largest and most popular commercial shopping cores of the New York metropolitan area is almost completely closed on Sunday (grocery stores are allowed to operate). Furthermore, Bergen County has significant Jewish and Muslim populations whose observant members would not be celebrating their Sabbath on Sunday with most of their Christian neighbors. The substantial Orthodox Jewish minority is placed in the position of being unable to shop either on Sunday (due to the blue laws) or on Saturday (due to religious observance)."
It is not necessary to include this text. The "blue laws" link provides all the essential information, including the fact this day "coincides with the Christian Sabbath". In fact, I believe this is more of an objective than a factual statement. In addition, it is not completely accurate. I have not seen a "substantial" jewish orthodox nor muslim population in Bergen Co.
>I've lived in Bergen Co. for 40+ years. In the past I have resided in Teaneck and Fort Lee; currently in Hillsdale. I am well aware of the demographics of the communities you mention and probably every other in Bergen. I don't profess to be a scholar of Bergen, but I do know what goes on in the county. I am an engineer and have developed products for internetworking and the Internet since the early 80's so I am very familiar with various web technologies. I have only two edits (3 now) because I usually don't rely on wiki's for my information. They tend to provide false or inaccurate data. I just read an article that claimed the entropy of wiki's will reach a level at which point they will contain zero information (entropy by definition). I found it humorous - and now true. I happened to use this wiki for a quick lookup for some Bergen freeholder names. I saw the blue law section and changed it due to inaccurate statements. I do acknowledge there is an Orthodox Jewish community, as well as a growing Muslim community in Bergen Co. I have Orthodox Jew friends. However, I wouldn't say their numbers are substantial, unless you're located in an area where there is a concentration. For example, a person of Croatian descent may think there is a substantial Croatian population if they live in the area of South Eastern Fort Lee, Palisades Park, and parts of Cliffside/Fairview. However, this isn't true for most of Bergen. Typically substantial indicates a significant amount in numbers, relative to the whole. Therefore, I believe the blue laws section is inaccurate in it's "substantial" statement. Plus, adding the fact that it's an inconvenience to some people is more commentary and subjective in nature than a general purpose fact. Something I thought was inappropriate for a wiki (once again, increasing entropy means decreasing factual information). It's a blue law, no further commentary is needed. Mostly everyone knows what that is (if not, follow the link). Pastrami on rye sounds good. As a kid I recall shopping on Cedar Lane, going to deli's, Bischoff's, and Butterflake. Haven't been there in quite some time.-— Preceding
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I haven,t really read the article in a while, but it looks good to me. I'd love to get feedback on additional improvements that could be made. Furthermore, Bergen County has a thoroughly updated set of articles for the 70 municipalities, almost all of the 70+ school districts, and the overwhelming majority of high schools. Alansohn 04:23, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Further to the WP:GA nomination, this article does not pass WP:WIAGA criteria 1. b), c) 2. a) & 4. b).
Referencing is the most outstanding issue; "The substantial Orthodox Jewish minority is placed in the position of being unable to shop either on Sunday (due to the blue laws) or on Saturday (due to religious observance)" and other such comments, are designated as needing referencing and either should be or reworded.
There are other minor formatting issues; the History section contains multiple dates, facts and figures which need sources, and the Points of interest section would benefit from being a little less linked and converted from a long list, into either a table or normal prose. Per WP:LEAD, the opening section at one paragraph is too short also.
Consider expanding parts of the History section, especially more of the early history of Bergen County - Who were its first settlers (were they European/Native-American)? Why was it named Bergen County? Also this section in its current form reads like a list of facts, and would benefit from some referencing and collaboration from the editing community who take an interest in this article.
I should add this article is actually not far from GA status and is otherwise excellent (pictures, context, writing style etc). For high quality feedback to take this article forward however, visit Wikipedia:Peer review and follow instructions. Hope that helps, best of luck. Jhamez84 14:14, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Though this discussion took place in Dec 2006 when article failed GA candidate, I'd like to mention a few things that would perhaps improve the article:
1. Placement of municpalities would seem to be better earlier in article.
2. History section could come later in article, namely after the basic information sections such as geography, municipalities, demographics, etc and start somewhere before the Brtish era, ie the Lenape/New Netherland period.
3. Cultural/entertainment section seems a bit thin and inconclusive. Performing arts seems underpresented for a county where music, theatre, and dance play an important roles to the cultural life of many of it's citizens
4. Images are almost exclusively of historical maps, which are interesting to many (me, included), but do not include others that would give a better visual picture of the county: how about pictures of the Hackensack, the GWB, or one of the many shopping malls (which are discussed at length)?
5. An explanation of the topography and the diversity of the landscape, and how it has influenced the development of the county with its more city-like east, Meadowlands towns, posh northern suburbs, the urban sprawl, etc would create a more interesting picture of the place
I would add that I won't make these changes, as I feel BC article can (perhaps) be better written by somewhere who lives in the county, and writing and style don't seem to be the issues. (I have been working on Hudson article later, and would appreciate feedback on that) Djflem 10:11, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
It seems that Bergen County was named for the community of Bergen in what is now Hudson County. But where did that name come from? List of New Jersey county name etymologies (citing [1]) suggests either Bergen-op-Zoom, the Netherlands or Bergen, Norway. However, there are two other locations in the Netherlands with the name Bergen: Bergen, North Holland and Bergen (Limburg). Do we know where the name really comes from? Alan, does the Westervelt book provide any insight? Thanks. -- ChrisRuvolo ( t) 18:18, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
The article currently has limited mention of the rail lines in the county. Based on looking at the rail map at File:New Jersey railroad map.png from SPUI ( t c) (see legend here: User:SPUI/NJ railroad map), I came up with the following list of rail lines in the county.
Can anyone confirm if this list is correct and complete? I don't have info on whether some of these lines are currently operational or even who they belong to now. Please correct the above as necessary. Thanks. -- ChrisRuvolo ( t) 21:02, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
I believe the following to be accurate:
non-revenue tracks:
S1E, S1G, and parts of E1 and S1H are abandoned.
I did not include minor spurs except where they were once main lines. Your only error was with E1; the former Erie has been abandoned through Passaic in favor of the DL&W. -- NE2 23:13, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
(Personally, I don't know why, it seems darker and gloomier than the other one, which actually shows more crisp detail, is brighter, and looking southward, hints at a silhouette of the Manhattan skyline - but to each his own, I guess.) 96.242.217.91 ( talk) 00:23, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
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I made this edit to the article in an effort to correct the formatting issue found in the "municipalities" section, where an editor has stacked images, thereby pushing the chart way down the page. It's a visual nightmare which I thought I had fixed, until another editor reverted it, stating in their edit summary "revert to longstanding stable version; the old formatting has never been expressed as an apparent problem for (many) years. For such a drastic change after so many years, please take it Talk. Also, you may want to check your browser". The input of other editors would be appreciated. Thank you. Magnolia677 ( talk) 03:38, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
Should the photos be stacked at Bergen County, New Jersey#Municipalities? It appears to add excessive whitespace. Magnolia677 ( talk) 00:20, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
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Bergen County Police Department consists of a single paragraph, and seems to only be notable for having been merged into the sheriff's department. It would make more sense to include that information in the section on county government, or perhaps a new section on law enforcement. Apocheir ( talk) 23:39, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
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The history section describes the failed attempts by the Dutch to settle what is now Jersey City in the 1630s, then goes on to say that Bergen Township (founded c.1660) was the first permanent European settlement. The referenced article is equally misleading but solely focused on Jersey City (not Bergen). That reference would be correct if it did not use the word "permanent" because the 1630 settlements failed. Even so, the 1660 date might be true for East Jersey but not for West Jersey. The modern state of NJ includes New Sweden, on the Delaware River, the settlements of which were never abandoned. For instance, Swedesboro, established by 1649, may in fact be the earliest permanent (i.e., never abandoned) European settlement in what is now New Jersey. So that sentence in the article needs to be changed. I just wanted to mention that here before changing it. - Tiredmeliorist ( talk) 18:13, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
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Can someone with better wiki knowledge please fix the horrible formatting of the section breaks? There's presently a bunch of edit links in a row, each corresponding to a different section of the document. It's screaming for help. :) Shigpit 17:12, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
I'm a complete novice and could not figure out how to fix a bad link I found on this page: ( http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Bergen_County,_New_Jersey)
The shorcut that is supposed to link to the Bergen County Map from 1918 is trying to find the non-existent 1819 map ( http://mapmaker.rutgers.edu/BERGEN_COUNTY/BergenCounty_1819.jpg). A simple transposition, but I can't find the link nor the surrounding text at "edit this article at Wikipedia.org".
To the next skilled person that reads this: could you change the link behind "1918" under the "Historic maps of Bergen County, courtesy Rutgers Collection" heading to " http://mapmaker.rutgers.edu/BERGEN_COUNTY/BergenCounty_1918.jpg". This shortcut DOES go to the correct page.
John Freund Ridgefield Park, NJ organguy@biggerthanabreadbox.com
The article says the founding date of the county is 1675. The county seal shows 1683. Which is correct? -- ChrisRuvolo ( t) 19:51, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
A wiki should be filled with facts, not opinions or subjective statements. In the Blue Laws section of the Bergen Co wiki, Alansohn of Teaneck insists on keeping this text intact:
"It has produced the ironic situation that one of the largest and most popular commercial shopping cores of the New York metropolitan area is almost completely closed on Sunday (grocery stores are allowed to operate). Furthermore, Bergen County has significant Jewish and Muslim populations whose observant members would not be celebrating their Sabbath on Sunday with most of their Christian neighbors. The substantial Orthodox Jewish minority is placed in the position of being unable to shop either on Sunday (due to the blue laws) or on Saturday (due to religious observance)."
It is not necessary to include this text. The "blue laws" link provides all the essential information, including the fact this day "coincides with the Christian Sabbath". In fact, I believe this is more of an objective than a factual statement. In addition, it is not completely accurate. I have not seen a "substantial" jewish orthodox nor muslim population in Bergen Co.
>I've lived in Bergen Co. for 40+ years. In the past I have resided in Teaneck and Fort Lee; currently in Hillsdale. I am well aware of the demographics of the communities you mention and probably every other in Bergen. I don't profess to be a scholar of Bergen, but I do know what goes on in the county. I am an engineer and have developed products for internetworking and the Internet since the early 80's so I am very familiar with various web technologies. I have only two edits (3 now) because I usually don't rely on wiki's for my information. They tend to provide false or inaccurate data. I just read an article that claimed the entropy of wiki's will reach a level at which point they will contain zero information (entropy by definition). I found it humorous - and now true. I happened to use this wiki for a quick lookup for some Bergen freeholder names. I saw the blue law section and changed it due to inaccurate statements. I do acknowledge there is an Orthodox Jewish community, as well as a growing Muslim community in Bergen Co. I have Orthodox Jew friends. However, I wouldn't say their numbers are substantial, unless you're located in an area where there is a concentration. For example, a person of Croatian descent may think there is a substantial Croatian population if they live in the area of South Eastern Fort Lee, Palisades Park, and parts of Cliffside/Fairview. However, this isn't true for most of Bergen. Typically substantial indicates a significant amount in numbers, relative to the whole. Therefore, I believe the blue laws section is inaccurate in it's "substantial" statement. Plus, adding the fact that it's an inconvenience to some people is more commentary and subjective in nature than a general purpose fact. Something I thought was inappropriate for a wiki (once again, increasing entropy means decreasing factual information). It's a blue law, no further commentary is needed. Mostly everyone knows what that is (if not, follow the link). Pastrami on rye sounds good. As a kid I recall shopping on Cedar Lane, going to deli's, Bischoff's, and Butterflake. Haven't been there in quite some time.-— Preceding
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I haven,t really read the article in a while, but it looks good to me. I'd love to get feedback on additional improvements that could be made. Furthermore, Bergen County has a thoroughly updated set of articles for the 70 municipalities, almost all of the 70+ school districts, and the overwhelming majority of high schools. Alansohn 04:23, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Further to the WP:GA nomination, this article does not pass WP:WIAGA criteria 1. b), c) 2. a) & 4. b).
Referencing is the most outstanding issue; "The substantial Orthodox Jewish minority is placed in the position of being unable to shop either on Sunday (due to the blue laws) or on Saturday (due to religious observance)" and other such comments, are designated as needing referencing and either should be or reworded.
There are other minor formatting issues; the History section contains multiple dates, facts and figures which need sources, and the Points of interest section would benefit from being a little less linked and converted from a long list, into either a table or normal prose. Per WP:LEAD, the opening section at one paragraph is too short also.
Consider expanding parts of the History section, especially more of the early history of Bergen County - Who were its first settlers (were they European/Native-American)? Why was it named Bergen County? Also this section in its current form reads like a list of facts, and would benefit from some referencing and collaboration from the editing community who take an interest in this article.
I should add this article is actually not far from GA status and is otherwise excellent (pictures, context, writing style etc). For high quality feedback to take this article forward however, visit Wikipedia:Peer review and follow instructions. Hope that helps, best of luck. Jhamez84 14:14, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Though this discussion took place in Dec 2006 when article failed GA candidate, I'd like to mention a few things that would perhaps improve the article:
1. Placement of municpalities would seem to be better earlier in article.
2. History section could come later in article, namely after the basic information sections such as geography, municipalities, demographics, etc and start somewhere before the Brtish era, ie the Lenape/New Netherland period.
3. Cultural/entertainment section seems a bit thin and inconclusive. Performing arts seems underpresented for a county where music, theatre, and dance play an important roles to the cultural life of many of it's citizens
4. Images are almost exclusively of historical maps, which are interesting to many (me, included), but do not include others that would give a better visual picture of the county: how about pictures of the Hackensack, the GWB, or one of the many shopping malls (which are discussed at length)?
5. An explanation of the topography and the diversity of the landscape, and how it has influenced the development of the county with its more city-like east, Meadowlands towns, posh northern suburbs, the urban sprawl, etc would create a more interesting picture of the place
I would add that I won't make these changes, as I feel BC article can (perhaps) be better written by somewhere who lives in the county, and writing and style don't seem to be the issues. (I have been working on Hudson article later, and would appreciate feedback on that) Djflem 10:11, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
It seems that Bergen County was named for the community of Bergen in what is now Hudson County. But where did that name come from? List of New Jersey county name etymologies (citing [1]) suggests either Bergen-op-Zoom, the Netherlands or Bergen, Norway. However, there are two other locations in the Netherlands with the name Bergen: Bergen, North Holland and Bergen (Limburg). Do we know where the name really comes from? Alan, does the Westervelt book provide any insight? Thanks. -- ChrisRuvolo ( t) 18:18, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
The article currently has limited mention of the rail lines in the county. Based on looking at the rail map at File:New Jersey railroad map.png from SPUI ( t c) (see legend here: User:SPUI/NJ railroad map), I came up with the following list of rail lines in the county.
Can anyone confirm if this list is correct and complete? I don't have info on whether some of these lines are currently operational or even who they belong to now. Please correct the above as necessary. Thanks. -- ChrisRuvolo ( t) 21:02, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
I believe the following to be accurate:
non-revenue tracks:
S1E, S1G, and parts of E1 and S1H are abandoned.
I did not include minor spurs except where they were once main lines. Your only error was with E1; the former Erie has been abandoned through Passaic in favor of the DL&W. -- NE2 23:13, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
(Personally, I don't know why, it seems darker and gloomier than the other one, which actually shows more crisp detail, is brighter, and looking southward, hints at a silhouette of the Manhattan skyline - but to each his own, I guess.) 96.242.217.91 ( talk) 00:23, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
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I made this edit to the article in an effort to correct the formatting issue found in the "municipalities" section, where an editor has stacked images, thereby pushing the chart way down the page. It's a visual nightmare which I thought I had fixed, until another editor reverted it, stating in their edit summary "revert to longstanding stable version; the old formatting has never been expressed as an apparent problem for (many) years. For such a drastic change after so many years, please take it Talk. Also, you may want to check your browser". The input of other editors would be appreciated. Thank you. Magnolia677 ( talk) 03:38, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
Should the photos be stacked at Bergen County, New Jersey#Municipalities? It appears to add excessive whitespace. Magnolia677 ( talk) 00:20, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
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Bergen County Police Department consists of a single paragraph, and seems to only be notable for having been merged into the sheriff's department. It would make more sense to include that information in the section on county government, or perhaps a new section on law enforcement. Apocheir ( talk) 23:39, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
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The history section describes the failed attempts by the Dutch to settle what is now Jersey City in the 1630s, then goes on to say that Bergen Township (founded c.1660) was the first permanent European settlement. The referenced article is equally misleading but solely focused on Jersey City (not Bergen). That reference would be correct if it did not use the word "permanent" because the 1630 settlements failed. Even so, the 1660 date might be true for East Jersey but not for West Jersey. The modern state of NJ includes New Sweden, on the Delaware River, the settlements of which were never abandoned. For instance, Swedesboro, established by 1649, may in fact be the earliest permanent (i.e., never abandoned) European settlement in what is now New Jersey. So that sentence in the article needs to be changed. I just wanted to mention that here before changing it. - Tiredmeliorist ( talk) 18:13, 22 September 2023 (UTC)