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The flag shown on the page has no source[ of Bengal Sultanate]
I have moved from the article to here a paragraph, the source for which failed verification:
In 1494, the Hussain Shahi dynasty was founded by Alauddin Hussain Shah, an Arab-Bengali noble. His reign marked a flourishing period of religious pluralism and the development of Bengali literature. Sultan Hussain Shah and his governors patronized Bengali writers to produce Bengali adaptations of Islamic and Indian epics. [1]
No page number was given. No mention of the Hussain Shahi dynasty or Alauddin Husain Shah was found in the book. The closest thing to a match is on page 60, where Nasira Saha, the Emperor of Guada (ruling 200 years before Alauddin Husain Shah) is mentioned as ordering translation into Bengali of the Mahabharata. No mention is made there of Islamic epics or a flourishing period of religious pluralism. Perhaps the editor got the Sens muddled. Anyone who can provide an accurate citation is welcome to restore the text.
References
-- Worldbruce ( talk) 16:39, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Bengal Sultanate's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "r3":
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 15:30, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
I've removed from the culture section the following text, added by block-evading sockpuppet Vaza12 on 29 April 2016 and reintroduced by IP 82.12.212.24 on 5 August 2017:
The ruling class of the Bengal Sultanate combined heavy Persianate influences with the rich cultural heritage of Bengal. [1] According to historian Richard M Eaton, the Bengali court was modelled on Iranian tradition. [1] The Sultans were styled as the " King of Kings in the East". [1]
Eaton doesn't mention Persia at all in his section on culture in Bengal under the sultans. Eaton covers Persian influences on the Bengal Sultanate only in terms of articulation of political authority (royal paraphernalia, court ceremony). [2] To cherry pick this out of everything Eaton writes and assert that the sultans combined Persian culture with Bengali culture is a misunderstanding, distortion, or original research. Eaton makes it clear that these Persian influences were confined to the court, [3] they provoked tensions with powerful Bengalis, [4] and external references to Persian sources of authority were dropped part way through the sultanate. [5] The modeling of the court on Persian tradition is mildly interesting, but needs context to make clear what that means (the court had a polo field, they used a certain style of throne, etc.). It may find a place elsewhere, but does not belong in the lead of the culture section. With respect to "kings of the East", Eaton says the opposite. [6] -- Worldbruce ( talk) 05:35, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
References
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help)@ Dekodrak: This in reference to your edit to the Bengal Sultanate page. First, to note, in the 18th century the Nawab of Bengal was ruling significant portions of the erstwhile Bengal sultanate, and hence highly unlikely that this flag was in use as the royal Bengal flag in the 18th century. Second, for the centuries preceding that, what historical record accounts for the design of this flag? Please provide with a WP:RS here. -- Tamravidhir ( talk) 16:57, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
@ 202.84.46.101: Could you please explain how Scroll.in (a digital news website) is a "reliable secondary source" and how I am "destroying the article"? So far you have edit warred your way in this article without heeding to WP:CONSENSUS and WP:RS. If you can't explain your edits, then I will to revert it back, and if you keep reverting, report you. -- HistoryofIran ( talk) 01:29, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
EXCEPTIONAL
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).A paragraph was recently added about the participation of about 2,000 Ujjainia soldiers at the Battle of Surajgarha [1]. There are several problems with it. First off, the source cited only supports about half of the statements made in it: it makes no mention of the plunder of Bengal or of the killing of Ibrahim Khan. Also, it doesn't appear to be particularly reliable: it's barely four paragraphs long (the page numbers in the citation are wrong, it's on pp. 351–2), it doesn't go into any evaluation of the primary source it's used and it seems to uncritically repeat what I imagine must have been that primary text's exaggerated language.
The so far unverified statements can be sourced from elsewhere ( example). However, a more fundamental question is why this sort of information should be given here in the first place. Why should an article about a major state that existed for several centuries have any content at all about a single one of the several soldier groups that participated in one battle against this state? I really can't see a reason for that. Therefore, I'm going to remove that paragraph. – Uanfala ( talk) 16:42, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for speedy deletion:
You can see the reason for deletion at the file description page linked above. — Community Tech bot ( talk) 16:38, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
@ Noorullah21: When I reverted you, I made a typo in the edit, which meant the sources could not be seen. Please check this version, which I edited right after reverting you. Two good sources are clearly given. 182.163.96.93 ( talk) 23:31, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
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The flag shown on the page has no source[ of Bengal Sultanate]
I have moved from the article to here a paragraph, the source for which failed verification:
In 1494, the Hussain Shahi dynasty was founded by Alauddin Hussain Shah, an Arab-Bengali noble. His reign marked a flourishing period of religious pluralism and the development of Bengali literature. Sultan Hussain Shah and his governors patronized Bengali writers to produce Bengali adaptations of Islamic and Indian epics. [1]
No page number was given. No mention of the Hussain Shahi dynasty or Alauddin Husain Shah was found in the book. The closest thing to a match is on page 60, where Nasira Saha, the Emperor of Guada (ruling 200 years before Alauddin Husain Shah) is mentioned as ordering translation into Bengali of the Mahabharata. No mention is made there of Islamic epics or a flourishing period of religious pluralism. Perhaps the editor got the Sens muddled. Anyone who can provide an accurate citation is welcome to restore the text.
References
-- Worldbruce ( talk) 16:39, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Bengal Sultanate's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "r3":
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 15:30, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
I've removed from the culture section the following text, added by block-evading sockpuppet Vaza12 on 29 April 2016 and reintroduced by IP 82.12.212.24 on 5 August 2017:
The ruling class of the Bengal Sultanate combined heavy Persianate influences with the rich cultural heritage of Bengal. [1] According to historian Richard M Eaton, the Bengali court was modelled on Iranian tradition. [1] The Sultans were styled as the " King of Kings in the East". [1]
Eaton doesn't mention Persia at all in his section on culture in Bengal under the sultans. Eaton covers Persian influences on the Bengal Sultanate only in terms of articulation of political authority (royal paraphernalia, court ceremony). [2] To cherry pick this out of everything Eaton writes and assert that the sultans combined Persian culture with Bengali culture is a misunderstanding, distortion, or original research. Eaton makes it clear that these Persian influences were confined to the court, [3] they provoked tensions with powerful Bengalis, [4] and external references to Persian sources of authority were dropped part way through the sultanate. [5] The modeling of the court on Persian tradition is mildly interesting, but needs context to make clear what that means (the court had a polo field, they used a certain style of throne, etc.). It may find a place elsewhere, but does not belong in the lead of the culture section. With respect to "kings of the East", Eaton says the opposite. [6] -- Worldbruce ( talk) 05:35, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
References
{{
cite book}}
: Invalid |ref=harv
(
help)@ Dekodrak: This in reference to your edit to the Bengal Sultanate page. First, to note, in the 18th century the Nawab of Bengal was ruling significant portions of the erstwhile Bengal sultanate, and hence highly unlikely that this flag was in use as the royal Bengal flag in the 18th century. Second, for the centuries preceding that, what historical record accounts for the design of this flag? Please provide with a WP:RS here. -- Tamravidhir ( talk) 16:57, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
@ 202.84.46.101: Could you please explain how Scroll.in (a digital news website) is a "reliable secondary source" and how I am "destroying the article"? So far you have edit warred your way in this article without heeding to WP:CONSENSUS and WP:RS. If you can't explain your edits, then I will to revert it back, and if you keep reverting, report you. -- HistoryofIran ( talk) 01:29, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
EXCEPTIONAL
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).A paragraph was recently added about the participation of about 2,000 Ujjainia soldiers at the Battle of Surajgarha [1]. There are several problems with it. First off, the source cited only supports about half of the statements made in it: it makes no mention of the plunder of Bengal or of the killing of Ibrahim Khan. Also, it doesn't appear to be particularly reliable: it's barely four paragraphs long (the page numbers in the citation are wrong, it's on pp. 351–2), it doesn't go into any evaluation of the primary source it's used and it seems to uncritically repeat what I imagine must have been that primary text's exaggerated language.
The so far unverified statements can be sourced from elsewhere ( example). However, a more fundamental question is why this sort of information should be given here in the first place. Why should an article about a major state that existed for several centuries have any content at all about a single one of the several soldier groups that participated in one battle against this state? I really can't see a reason for that. Therefore, I'm going to remove that paragraph. – Uanfala ( talk) 16:42, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for speedy deletion:
You can see the reason for deletion at the file description page linked above. — Community Tech bot ( talk) 16:38, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
@ Noorullah21: When I reverted you, I made a typo in the edit, which meant the sources could not be seen. Please check this version, which I edited right after reverting you. Two good sources are clearly given. 182.163.96.93 ( talk) 23:31, 30 November 2023 (UTC)