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@ Aziz Tarak.: As pointed by me and Rh7hd, your map is completely inaccurate. Please do not keep adding it back. "Bengal" is not same as Bengal Presidency, and your map is not even an accurate representation of the borders of the Bengal Presidency. utcursch | talk 20:01, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
The developed projection is based on The map of Bengal presidency - As you must know Bengal presidency was not in GPS era so the absolute accuracy of the orthographic projection of Bengal is impossible. As this map is not proclaiming to be the map of current states what need to be 100% right. But I must assure you This orthographic projection of Bengal is valid then the current imaginary boundary of Bengal .
.
The presidency and Bengal is not the same topic and term. The
Bengal presidency is Based on Bengal or part of
Bengal History. As in timeline, the presidency is a modern part of Bengal history what you can't deny. Its the last Unified Administrative division of Bengal. Before that, it was
Bengal Subah before that 1300–1600 ad Independent
Bengal sultanate or beyond. If you want me to believe that sultanate,
Battle of Plassey and the later presidency is not part of my history or the
history of Bengal than the burden is yours. The Bengal orthographic projection is purely for educational purpose and much better than the [
and manipulated a map of Bengal]
Hope you understand the Historical reality what cannot be changed by fiction. Please change the wrong map you & Many people like to see as the Map of Bengal.
Aziz Tarak. (
talk) 21:52, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
Highpeaks35 just changed the first sentence in the lead to say that Bengal is in the Indian Subcontinent, rather than in South Asia. Their edit summary says that this is per the discussion at a different article's talk page. To be clear, I have no view on whether which (South Asia or Indian Subcontinent) is the correct one for us to use, but I think that from a procedural point of view, we ought to reach a consensus at this talk page for changes to this article - not to reference a conversation at a different (but related) article. I have searched this talk page and can't find any discussion of the issue here.
@Highpeaks35 - would you be willing to outline the reasons for your preference, referencing any sources you would support it with, so that editors here can discuss? Thanks GirthSummit (blether) 13:01, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
You're right, the two terms do not encompass precisely the same areas, but I don't think that will affect the reader's understanding - either term would make it clear where Bengal is in the world without any ambiguity. This is a question of selecting which of two possible terms is the most commonly used in modern writing. You'll note from the references listed at the conversation you provided a link to argue that South Asia is the current standard, eg:
So far, all the indications I've seen are pointing towards South Asia being the most widely used term in modern writing. Perhaps there are other sources which I haven't seen which say differently. You'll hopefully have seen that I dropped a note on WikiProject South Asia asking for more views on that - hopefully some other editors with experience in the area will be able to help us arrive at a consensus here. GirthSummit (blether) 14:37, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
When people write their address on envalope, they mention the official house number, road name etc, not any unofficial 'only localy' speaking entity, no matter how many people of that specific area use that. Wikipedia is a official platform, here official entities are more acceptable than anything else. Check all the global news networks. They all mention this region as South Asia, not as indian subcontinent. Even inside South Asia itself, SAARC, SAF and all other regional events are named by SA, not by IS. That proves the term 'Indian subcontinent' has no 'official' value. Yes it has historical base. So you can put it in 'History' segment of Bengal's page, but not in the first para, where only current, official and 'understandable to all' facts has to be included. Rh7hd ( talk) 05:14, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
This is descending into an edit war - we shouldn't be changing it back and forth to our preferred version. What if we were to use a form of language that incorporates both phrases? For a long time, the stable version of the first sentence read as follows:
Bengal (/bɛŋˈɡɔːl/;[3] Bengali: বাংলা/বঙ্গ, lit. 'Bānglā/Bôngô' [bɔŋgo]) is a geopolitical, cultural and historical region in Asia, which is located in the eastern part of the Indian subcontinent at the apex of the Bay of Bengal.
I don't see why we couldn't modify that slightly, adding the word South and a couple of Wikilinks, to become the following:
That is very close to the long-standing consensus on this page; it includes both the terms we are disagreeing on; it is completely unambiguous; it provides links to the reader so that they can follow up to learn the differences between the terms; and it follows similar examples such as Portugal, which mentions both the Iberian Peninsula and South Western Europe in the lede. Would anyone object to this alternative form of wording? GirthSummit (blether) 09:26, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
Its South Asia Not Indian Subcontinent Bengal is a historical region in south Asia . The name Bengal belongs to the history of thousand's years where the name " India " is literally A colonial version . The Name India given by foreigners where Bengal or Bangla origin in the root of Gangs Delta from BC . South Asia Is a Geographical definition where the Indian subcontinent is surname or political term used by some colonial writers . The using of Indian Subcontinent is a Political motivation of many editors . So beyond any doubt Wikipedia is not a geopolitical ground of using surname rather than a established definition . -- Aziz Tarak. ( talk) 09:41, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page has been nominated for deletion:
Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. — Community Tech bot ( talk) 20:38, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
This map of Bengal is including Tripura as well as Hailakandi district of Assam. It is also mentioned in the image details that this map of Bengal is inaccurate & misleading. Tizen03 ( talk) 14:49, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Bengali Australians and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 July 17#Bengali Australians until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. signed, Rosguill talk 16:17, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
Durgapur a city in the Indian State of West Bengal with a population of 699,000 is missing here. I kindly request you to add this city to make the data more accurate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2405:201:AC03:D5:208D:E1CC:FFE8:6CD9 ( talk) 09:36, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
This page is a mess. The major cities section looks like a disaster. Can anyone use a proper template containing city statistics and population figures like in other articles? The list of tourist attractions is very selective and frankly not attractive! I hope to work on this page in the future and fix it. Solomon The Magnifico ( talk) 19:20, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
International Criminal Court by Tsar:-- Constitution of India- Constitution of Bengal - Rule (a-b) of all- Rule (a): A Kolkata is a 1972 so a all in blue in write in wiki. Rule (b): A USA only a date always to be written if write from India. Annexury:- i/ The a name a Chitta only can be written in blue in wiki. ii/ A tripura is only a state in 1972 in war in rule and a name is a small tripura only in wiki also. iii/ A tripura is no in all a bengali so a bangal is only a name. iiii/ A bangal is a name a no name in to be in a write also so a newspaper is a far to reach a name is a Tsar in it. 180.149.224.162 ( talk) 12:10, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
Durgapur is missing from major UAs. Can I add it? Manideepa Banik ( talk) 06:09, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
Bengal consists of Bangladesh, West Bengal, Tripura, Barak Valley and parts of Lower Assam (parts of Former Goalpara District). This were part of Former Bengal Province and they are Bengali majority areas. Manideepa Banik ( talk) 04:20, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Bengal's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "Eaton1996p64":
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. Feel free to remove this comment after fixing the refs. AnomieBOT ⚡ 15:59, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
Hello sir, If you want a source then please read the history king pratapaditya who ruled jessore empire and defeated shah jahan as the Mughal Empire as many times. Maharaja pratapaditya was the popular king of Hindu bengal. It is my request to add it back. Thanks Ishaan Nandi ( talk) 00:53, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
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This article is written in Bangladeshi English, which has its own spelling conventions (colour, travelled, centre, analyse, defence) and some terms that are used in it may be different or absent from other varieties of English. According to the relevant style guide, this should not be changed without broad consensus. |
The
contentious topics procedure applies to this page. This page is related to
India,
Pakistan, and
Afghanistan, which has been
designated as a contentious topic. Editors who repeatedly or seriously fail to adhere to the purpose of Wikipedia, any expected standards of behaviour, or any normal editorial process may be blocked or restricted by an administrator. Editors are advised to familiarise themselves with the contentious topics procedures before editing this page. |
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@ Aziz Tarak.: As pointed by me and Rh7hd, your map is completely inaccurate. Please do not keep adding it back. "Bengal" is not same as Bengal Presidency, and your map is not even an accurate representation of the borders of the Bengal Presidency. utcursch | talk 20:01, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
The developed projection is based on The map of Bengal presidency - As you must know Bengal presidency was not in GPS era so the absolute accuracy of the orthographic projection of Bengal is impossible. As this map is not proclaiming to be the map of current states what need to be 100% right. But I must assure you This orthographic projection of Bengal is valid then the current imaginary boundary of Bengal .
.
The presidency and Bengal is not the same topic and term. The
Bengal presidency is Based on Bengal or part of
Bengal History. As in timeline, the presidency is a modern part of Bengal history what you can't deny. Its the last Unified Administrative division of Bengal. Before that, it was
Bengal Subah before that 1300–1600 ad Independent
Bengal sultanate or beyond. If you want me to believe that sultanate,
Battle of Plassey and the later presidency is not part of my history or the
history of Bengal than the burden is yours. The Bengal orthographic projection is purely for educational purpose and much better than the [
and manipulated a map of Bengal]
Hope you understand the Historical reality what cannot be changed by fiction. Please change the wrong map you & Many people like to see as the Map of Bengal.
Aziz Tarak. (
talk) 21:52, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
Highpeaks35 just changed the first sentence in the lead to say that Bengal is in the Indian Subcontinent, rather than in South Asia. Their edit summary says that this is per the discussion at a different article's talk page. To be clear, I have no view on whether which (South Asia or Indian Subcontinent) is the correct one for us to use, but I think that from a procedural point of view, we ought to reach a consensus at this talk page for changes to this article - not to reference a conversation at a different (but related) article. I have searched this talk page and can't find any discussion of the issue here.
@Highpeaks35 - would you be willing to outline the reasons for your preference, referencing any sources you would support it with, so that editors here can discuss? Thanks GirthSummit (blether) 13:01, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
You're right, the two terms do not encompass precisely the same areas, but I don't think that will affect the reader's understanding - either term would make it clear where Bengal is in the world without any ambiguity. This is a question of selecting which of two possible terms is the most commonly used in modern writing. You'll note from the references listed at the conversation you provided a link to argue that South Asia is the current standard, eg:
So far, all the indications I've seen are pointing towards South Asia being the most widely used term in modern writing. Perhaps there are other sources which I haven't seen which say differently. You'll hopefully have seen that I dropped a note on WikiProject South Asia asking for more views on that - hopefully some other editors with experience in the area will be able to help us arrive at a consensus here. GirthSummit (blether) 14:37, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
When people write their address on envalope, they mention the official house number, road name etc, not any unofficial 'only localy' speaking entity, no matter how many people of that specific area use that. Wikipedia is a official platform, here official entities are more acceptable than anything else. Check all the global news networks. They all mention this region as South Asia, not as indian subcontinent. Even inside South Asia itself, SAARC, SAF and all other regional events are named by SA, not by IS. That proves the term 'Indian subcontinent' has no 'official' value. Yes it has historical base. So you can put it in 'History' segment of Bengal's page, but not in the first para, where only current, official and 'understandable to all' facts has to be included. Rh7hd ( talk) 05:14, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
This is descending into an edit war - we shouldn't be changing it back and forth to our preferred version. What if we were to use a form of language that incorporates both phrases? For a long time, the stable version of the first sentence read as follows:
Bengal (/bɛŋˈɡɔːl/;[3] Bengali: বাংলা/বঙ্গ, lit. 'Bānglā/Bôngô' [bɔŋgo]) is a geopolitical, cultural and historical region in Asia, which is located in the eastern part of the Indian subcontinent at the apex of the Bay of Bengal.
I don't see why we couldn't modify that slightly, adding the word South and a couple of Wikilinks, to become the following:
That is very close to the long-standing consensus on this page; it includes both the terms we are disagreeing on; it is completely unambiguous; it provides links to the reader so that they can follow up to learn the differences between the terms; and it follows similar examples such as Portugal, which mentions both the Iberian Peninsula and South Western Europe in the lede. Would anyone object to this alternative form of wording? GirthSummit (blether) 09:26, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
Its South Asia Not Indian Subcontinent Bengal is a historical region in south Asia . The name Bengal belongs to the history of thousand's years where the name " India " is literally A colonial version . The Name India given by foreigners where Bengal or Bangla origin in the root of Gangs Delta from BC . South Asia Is a Geographical definition where the Indian subcontinent is surname or political term used by some colonial writers . The using of Indian Subcontinent is a Political motivation of many editors . So beyond any doubt Wikipedia is not a geopolitical ground of using surname rather than a established definition . -- Aziz Tarak. ( talk) 09:41, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page has been nominated for deletion:
Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. — Community Tech bot ( talk) 20:38, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
This map of Bengal is including Tripura as well as Hailakandi district of Assam. It is also mentioned in the image details that this map of Bengal is inaccurate & misleading. Tizen03 ( talk) 14:49, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Bengali Australians and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 July 17#Bengali Australians until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. signed, Rosguill talk 16:17, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
Durgapur a city in the Indian State of West Bengal with a population of 699,000 is missing here. I kindly request you to add this city to make the data more accurate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2405:201:AC03:D5:208D:E1CC:FFE8:6CD9 ( talk) 09:36, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
This page is a mess. The major cities section looks like a disaster. Can anyone use a proper template containing city statistics and population figures like in other articles? The list of tourist attractions is very selective and frankly not attractive! I hope to work on this page in the future and fix it. Solomon The Magnifico ( talk) 19:20, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
International Criminal Court by Tsar:-- Constitution of India- Constitution of Bengal - Rule (a-b) of all- Rule (a): A Kolkata is a 1972 so a all in blue in write in wiki. Rule (b): A USA only a date always to be written if write from India. Annexury:- i/ The a name a Chitta only can be written in blue in wiki. ii/ A tripura is only a state in 1972 in war in rule and a name is a small tripura only in wiki also. iii/ A tripura is no in all a bengali so a bangal is only a name. iiii/ A bangal is a name a no name in to be in a write also so a newspaper is a far to reach a name is a Tsar in it. 180.149.224.162 ( talk) 12:10, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
Durgapur is missing from major UAs. Can I add it? Manideepa Banik ( talk) 06:09, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
Bengal consists of Bangladesh, West Bengal, Tripura, Barak Valley and parts of Lower Assam (parts of Former Goalpara District). This were part of Former Bengal Province and they are Bengali majority areas. Manideepa Banik ( talk) 04:20, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Bengal's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "Eaton1996p64":
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. Feel free to remove this comment after fixing the refs. AnomieBOT ⚡ 15:59, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
Hello sir, If you want a source then please read the history king pratapaditya who ruled jessore empire and defeated shah jahan as the Mughal Empire as many times. Maharaja pratapaditya was the popular king of Hindu bengal. It is my request to add it back. Thanks Ishaan Nandi ( talk) 00:53, 18 January 2024 (UTC)