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There seems to be a confusion here. While Krishna Bhanji sounds a Hindu name, his fathers name Rahimatulla sounds Muslim. Its best to describe him of Gujarathi descent rather than communalising this issue. AMbroodEY 15:29, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
His father was Ismaili Muslim. As far as I know, he's not Hindu at all.
No Muslim would name their child Krishna! Softlavender 02:06, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
Ben's father was an Ismaili Khoja guys. Bhanji is khoja name. BHANJI IS ACTUALLY A GUJARATI HINDU SURNAME( THERE ARE HINDUS WITH THIS SURNAME).KHOJAS ARE OF HINDU ORIGIN(THEY ARE CONVERTS TO THE ISMAILI MUSLIM RELIGION. & THEY HAVE NOT CHANGED THEIR ORIGINAL SURNAMES) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bollywoodchick ( talk • contribs) 01:35, 28 January 2009 (UTC) Ben's father was a Hindu and not a muslim. Muslims do not use krishna in their names. Bahnji is a Gujrati Hindu title.
See - http://www.adherents.com/people/pk/Ben_Kingsley.html Parthashome ( talk) 08:46, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
OMG if he's name is Krishna than NO way was his father a muslim. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.3.25.97 ( talk) 06:58, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
FYI - was just watching Kingsley on The Late Show with David Letterman on 2/16/2010... Letterman asked him specifically about taking his stage name. Sir Ben mentioned that "Ben" came from people calling his father "Benji" as a nickname (corruption of Bhanji), or "Ben" for short. The Kingsley part was in honor of his spice trader grandfather, who was called "King Cloves" (or something like that) in his business dealings. In the course of the conversation, Kingsley mentioned that Bhanji meant (I think) "defender of the faith". In what language that is or of what faith, no mention was made... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.77.128.41 ( talk) 05:32, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
His grandfather is an ISMAILI MUSLIM Khoja. Check out this link for proof: http://www.bbc.co.uk/ahistoryoftheworld/objects/canzWkOlTVqgNWhfStHsdg. "his grandfather (a spice trader), who was a prominent member of the Ismaili Koja community in Zanzibar (in the Indian Ocean). Ismaili's are Shi'a Muslims, and followers of the Aga Khan (a descendent of the prophet Muhammad)." You can also say that Kingsley's father is a Muslim as well, as it only seems logical. Calling him a Russian Orthodox or anything non-Muslim (ie. Hindu) would be a stretch. Use your head people. Read the proof from legitimate sites and ignore ramblings of certain fundies above. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.95.57.235 ( talk) 21:50, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
The section about him insisting on being called "Sir Ben" is very confusing. For starters, there is nothing wrong or controversial or notable with a person wanting to be known by his full name and title. It's apparently only an issue because Sir Jonathan Miller prefers to be known as Mr and thinks other knights should do the same. That's his prerogative, but what does Miller's opinion of this have to do with the Wikipedia article on Sir Ben Kingsley? We give a quote about Kingsley denying he insists on this anyway. It's just a mess. I'd like to make a constructive suggestion but it's too confused at the moment. I'd actually prefer the whole thing was removed, but maybe others have a viewpoint. JackofOz 00:26, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
He wants to be called Sir Ben, he has even handed out memos on movie sets. Its basicly saying he is better then everyone else like someone wanting to be called Doctor Richards always by his friends. Plus what did he do???? He acts.
Note: there is a Sopranos-episode (Luxury Lounge, S6E7) that spoofs this whole debate about the title. Mr. Kingsley plays himself and when Christopher Moltisanti calls him "sir Kingsley", he replies: "Sir Ben." I don't know if this is worth mentioning in the article. I'm a new user to this so I'm not gonna mess up the entire article yet. If someone else would like to insert this information in the article, please do.
OK, so it seems well documented that there was an issue about his name appearing on credits as "Sir Ben Kingsley". That at least is a fact. However there are still 2 things I want to change in the "Knighthood" section:
"Kingsley was named a Commander of the Order of the British Empire (CBE) in 2000. He was knighted in the 2001 New Years Honours list." What does this even mean? Was his CBE upgraded to a KBE or GBE? EeepEeep ( talk) 01:32, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
Isn't it incorrect for him to be called "Sir" when he's just a Commander of the British Empire, as opposed to a Knight Commander or Knight Grand Cross, one of which he has to be to a knight and be called "Sir"? VolatileChemical 04:01, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
Filmography: In the late seventies/ early eighties Ben Kingsley appeared in a Mike Leigh Play called "Hard Labour". He played a heavily accented Asian Taxi driver who was a romantic interest to the daughter of the main couple featured in the play.This performance was quite remarkable and should be mentioned in his filmography, especially as "Hard Labour" (which starred the indomitable Liz Smith)is now considered to be an early masterpiece of Leigh's. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.101.75.13 ( talk) 20:27, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
So Kingsley is in this video, as Ian MacKaye, for Mean Magazine. I don't know much more about it, but should it get an include here? [7] McFlynnTHM ( talk) 13:07, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
I may be mistaken, but I seem to remember Ben Kingsley as a "sidekick" (school teacher) to Arnold Schwarzenegger in "The Runninig Man" which came out in 1987. JeepAssembler ( talk) 20:25, 25 March 2009 (UTC)JeepAssembler JeepAssembler ( talk) 20:25, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
On November 23, 2010, I noticed that Ben Kingsley's credit for his protrayal of the character Avatar from the 1989 film "Slipstream" by Steven Lisberger is missing. Xin Jing ( talk) 21:46, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
My knowledge of the Devangari script is fairly basic, but the spelling of Krishna seems innacurate to me. It looks to me as if કૃષ્ણા says Kushgi, not Krishna. Like I said, knowledge is fairly basic, but it would be useful if a more able reader could check and edit this. Ironman1503 23:33, 2 March 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ironman1503 ( talk • contribs)
Sorry for going back to the issue of Kingsley's father's religion but I read in an interview in a British Sunday paper magazine that he was non-religiousn Ismaili. This could very well be right as for Ismailis Khoja Community of Indian Gujarat it is not essentail to have a Muslim name as subservience to Agha khan is the main objective. Mohammed Ali Jinnah was the first person in his family to have been given a Muslim name - this may have been due to his father Poonja Jinnah having converted to Islam and joining mainstream Ithna Ishari Shia sect of Islam. Indeed Muslims of all sects consider Agh Khani Ismailis to be outside the pale of Islam in the same vein as the Druze of the Fertile Crescent to be so given their common roots in Fatimids of Egypt. Many ex-Agha Khanis have written books to attest to this assertion that they have converted to Islam when they become either Shia or Sunni. 90.221.103.31 09:40, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
I have two issues with that section as it currently stands. Firstly, it states that his maternal grandmother's maiden name was Goodman, yet one of the citations claims that Kingsley's mother was born out of wedlock to a father who may have been called Goodman. Since Kingsley's maternal grandparents never married, for the initial statement to be true it would mean that both of them were born as Goodman, which I find highly improbable. As there is no citation claiming her maiden name as Goodman, I think it's safe to say that it is an error and should be removed.
My second objection concerns the allegation that Kingsley's grandfather may have been Jewish. This is unreliable conjecture, not fact, regardless of who said it, and therefore not particularly relevant to an encyclopaedic bio. I feel it would better serve the article to put it in trivia section, or else remove it entirely.
As requested by User:MarnetteD, I have moved our discussion here from his/her talk page, with the aim of gaining WP:CONSENSUS. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.46.0.36 ( talk) 23:54, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
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We're having more confusion about his titles and postnominals. It seems to be a losing battle, but I'll try once more.
Firstly, he was appointed a Commander of the Order of the British Empire. This entitled him to the postnominals CBE. There are two higher grades within the Order: Knight Commander (KBE) and Knight Grand Cross (GBE), but Kingsley has not been appointed to either of them. He may be one day, but not yet.
Next, he was made a Knight Bachelor. This entitles the recipient to the title Sir, and that's all. There are no postnominals associated with the award of Knight Bachelor. Any postnominals that come from other awards are retained (such as VC, OM, CH, MBE, OBE, CBE, CMG, LVO, CB, CC, AC, DFC, MM, DSO, ...).
It is NOT THE CASE that a person with a CBE who is later made a Knight Bachelor is automatically now a KBE. To put it another way: CBE + Knight Bachelor =/= KBE.
After all, Knight Bachelor is a type of knighthood that is not associated with any order of chivalry, so how could it possibly have any effect on a person's membership of such an order? It can't.
So, his current style is: Sir Ben Kingsley CBE. The Sir is from being a Knight Bachelor, and the CBE is from being a Commander of the Order of the British Empire.
Any questions? -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 20:30, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
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QUOTE: Kingsley's father, born in Kenya, was of Gujarati ancestry. END OF QUOTE
A few years back, it had been mentioned that his father was of ' Ismaili Muslim Khoja descent'. What is the reason that there is such a sudden change in the history. BBC is not a dependable source for anything. It is run in many parts by certain misfits from South Asia, who have a habit of writing history in any way it suits them. See this also — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.97.62.61 ( talk) 02:26, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
The Early Career section says he assumed the stage name Ben Kingsley when he was acting on stage in Volpone in 1977. I'm not an expert on his early performances, but he was definitely credited as "Ben Kingsley" in his first film, Fear is the Key, back in 1972. Muzilon ( talk) 08:47, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
The article uses innumerable examples of the construction "Kingsley would ...": "Kingsley would begin ...", "Kingsley would continue ...", "Kingsley would play ...", "Kingsley would star in ...", "Kingsley would be nominated for ...", "Kingsley would portray ...", "Kingsley would receive ...", "Kingsley would win ...", "Kingsley would go on to ...", instead of the more direct "Kingsley began", "Kingsley continued", "Kingsley played", etc. In my opinion, the article would be improved by the wholesale replacement of the former with the latter, with perhaps one or two exceptions, but rather than impose my own preference for directness and economy, I thought I'd raise the matter here first. What say you all? Jean-de-Nivelle ( talk) 15:35, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
this movie not listed here? Jules (film) 173.33.191.183 ( talk) 17:11, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
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There seems to be a confusion here. While Krishna Bhanji sounds a Hindu name, his fathers name Rahimatulla sounds Muslim. Its best to describe him of Gujarathi descent rather than communalising this issue. AMbroodEY 15:29, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
His father was Ismaili Muslim. As far as I know, he's not Hindu at all.
No Muslim would name their child Krishna! Softlavender 02:06, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
Ben's father was an Ismaili Khoja guys. Bhanji is khoja name. BHANJI IS ACTUALLY A GUJARATI HINDU SURNAME( THERE ARE HINDUS WITH THIS SURNAME).KHOJAS ARE OF HINDU ORIGIN(THEY ARE CONVERTS TO THE ISMAILI MUSLIM RELIGION. & THEY HAVE NOT CHANGED THEIR ORIGINAL SURNAMES) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bollywoodchick ( talk • contribs) 01:35, 28 January 2009 (UTC) Ben's father was a Hindu and not a muslim. Muslims do not use krishna in their names. Bahnji is a Gujrati Hindu title.
See - http://www.adherents.com/people/pk/Ben_Kingsley.html Parthashome ( talk) 08:46, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
OMG if he's name is Krishna than NO way was his father a muslim. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.3.25.97 ( talk) 06:58, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
FYI - was just watching Kingsley on The Late Show with David Letterman on 2/16/2010... Letterman asked him specifically about taking his stage name. Sir Ben mentioned that "Ben" came from people calling his father "Benji" as a nickname (corruption of Bhanji), or "Ben" for short. The Kingsley part was in honor of his spice trader grandfather, who was called "King Cloves" (or something like that) in his business dealings. In the course of the conversation, Kingsley mentioned that Bhanji meant (I think) "defender of the faith". In what language that is or of what faith, no mention was made... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.77.128.41 ( talk) 05:32, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
His grandfather is an ISMAILI MUSLIM Khoja. Check out this link for proof: http://www.bbc.co.uk/ahistoryoftheworld/objects/canzWkOlTVqgNWhfStHsdg. "his grandfather (a spice trader), who was a prominent member of the Ismaili Koja community in Zanzibar (in the Indian Ocean). Ismaili's are Shi'a Muslims, and followers of the Aga Khan (a descendent of the prophet Muhammad)." You can also say that Kingsley's father is a Muslim as well, as it only seems logical. Calling him a Russian Orthodox or anything non-Muslim (ie. Hindu) would be a stretch. Use your head people. Read the proof from legitimate sites and ignore ramblings of certain fundies above. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.95.57.235 ( talk) 21:50, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
The section about him insisting on being called "Sir Ben" is very confusing. For starters, there is nothing wrong or controversial or notable with a person wanting to be known by his full name and title. It's apparently only an issue because Sir Jonathan Miller prefers to be known as Mr and thinks other knights should do the same. That's his prerogative, but what does Miller's opinion of this have to do with the Wikipedia article on Sir Ben Kingsley? We give a quote about Kingsley denying he insists on this anyway. It's just a mess. I'd like to make a constructive suggestion but it's too confused at the moment. I'd actually prefer the whole thing was removed, but maybe others have a viewpoint. JackofOz 00:26, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
He wants to be called Sir Ben, he has even handed out memos on movie sets. Its basicly saying he is better then everyone else like someone wanting to be called Doctor Richards always by his friends. Plus what did he do???? He acts.
Note: there is a Sopranos-episode (Luxury Lounge, S6E7) that spoofs this whole debate about the title. Mr. Kingsley plays himself and when Christopher Moltisanti calls him "sir Kingsley", he replies: "Sir Ben." I don't know if this is worth mentioning in the article. I'm a new user to this so I'm not gonna mess up the entire article yet. If someone else would like to insert this information in the article, please do.
OK, so it seems well documented that there was an issue about his name appearing on credits as "Sir Ben Kingsley". That at least is a fact. However there are still 2 things I want to change in the "Knighthood" section:
"Kingsley was named a Commander of the Order of the British Empire (CBE) in 2000. He was knighted in the 2001 New Years Honours list." What does this even mean? Was his CBE upgraded to a KBE or GBE? EeepEeep ( talk) 01:32, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
Isn't it incorrect for him to be called "Sir" when he's just a Commander of the British Empire, as opposed to a Knight Commander or Knight Grand Cross, one of which he has to be to a knight and be called "Sir"? VolatileChemical 04:01, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
Filmography: In the late seventies/ early eighties Ben Kingsley appeared in a Mike Leigh Play called "Hard Labour". He played a heavily accented Asian Taxi driver who was a romantic interest to the daughter of the main couple featured in the play.This performance was quite remarkable and should be mentioned in his filmography, especially as "Hard Labour" (which starred the indomitable Liz Smith)is now considered to be an early masterpiece of Leigh's. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.101.75.13 ( talk) 20:27, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
So Kingsley is in this video, as Ian MacKaye, for Mean Magazine. I don't know much more about it, but should it get an include here? [7] McFlynnTHM ( talk) 13:07, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
I may be mistaken, but I seem to remember Ben Kingsley as a "sidekick" (school teacher) to Arnold Schwarzenegger in "The Runninig Man" which came out in 1987. JeepAssembler ( talk) 20:25, 25 March 2009 (UTC)JeepAssembler JeepAssembler ( talk) 20:25, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
On November 23, 2010, I noticed that Ben Kingsley's credit for his protrayal of the character Avatar from the 1989 film "Slipstream" by Steven Lisberger is missing. Xin Jing ( talk) 21:46, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
My knowledge of the Devangari script is fairly basic, but the spelling of Krishna seems innacurate to me. It looks to me as if કૃષ્ણા says Kushgi, not Krishna. Like I said, knowledge is fairly basic, but it would be useful if a more able reader could check and edit this. Ironman1503 23:33, 2 March 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ironman1503 ( talk • contribs)
Sorry for going back to the issue of Kingsley's father's religion but I read in an interview in a British Sunday paper magazine that he was non-religiousn Ismaili. This could very well be right as for Ismailis Khoja Community of Indian Gujarat it is not essentail to have a Muslim name as subservience to Agha khan is the main objective. Mohammed Ali Jinnah was the first person in his family to have been given a Muslim name - this may have been due to his father Poonja Jinnah having converted to Islam and joining mainstream Ithna Ishari Shia sect of Islam. Indeed Muslims of all sects consider Agh Khani Ismailis to be outside the pale of Islam in the same vein as the Druze of the Fertile Crescent to be so given their common roots in Fatimids of Egypt. Many ex-Agha Khanis have written books to attest to this assertion that they have converted to Islam when they become either Shia or Sunni. 90.221.103.31 09:40, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
I have two issues with that section as it currently stands. Firstly, it states that his maternal grandmother's maiden name was Goodman, yet one of the citations claims that Kingsley's mother was born out of wedlock to a father who may have been called Goodman. Since Kingsley's maternal grandparents never married, for the initial statement to be true it would mean that both of them were born as Goodman, which I find highly improbable. As there is no citation claiming her maiden name as Goodman, I think it's safe to say that it is an error and should be removed.
My second objection concerns the allegation that Kingsley's grandfather may have been Jewish. This is unreliable conjecture, not fact, regardless of who said it, and therefore not particularly relevant to an encyclopaedic bio. I feel it would better serve the article to put it in trivia section, or else remove it entirely.
As requested by User:MarnetteD, I have moved our discussion here from his/her talk page, with the aim of gaining WP:CONSENSUS. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.46.0.36 ( talk) 23:54, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
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We're having more confusion about his titles and postnominals. It seems to be a losing battle, but I'll try once more.
Firstly, he was appointed a Commander of the Order of the British Empire. This entitled him to the postnominals CBE. There are two higher grades within the Order: Knight Commander (KBE) and Knight Grand Cross (GBE), but Kingsley has not been appointed to either of them. He may be one day, but not yet.
Next, he was made a Knight Bachelor. This entitles the recipient to the title Sir, and that's all. There are no postnominals associated with the award of Knight Bachelor. Any postnominals that come from other awards are retained (such as VC, OM, CH, MBE, OBE, CBE, CMG, LVO, CB, CC, AC, DFC, MM, DSO, ...).
It is NOT THE CASE that a person with a CBE who is later made a Knight Bachelor is automatically now a KBE. To put it another way: CBE + Knight Bachelor =/= KBE.
After all, Knight Bachelor is a type of knighthood that is not associated with any order of chivalry, so how could it possibly have any effect on a person's membership of such an order? It can't.
So, his current style is: Sir Ben Kingsley CBE. The Sir is from being a Knight Bachelor, and the CBE is from being a Commander of the Order of the British Empire.
Any questions? -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 20:30, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
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QUOTE: Kingsley's father, born in Kenya, was of Gujarati ancestry. END OF QUOTE
A few years back, it had been mentioned that his father was of ' Ismaili Muslim Khoja descent'. What is the reason that there is such a sudden change in the history. BBC is not a dependable source for anything. It is run in many parts by certain misfits from South Asia, who have a habit of writing history in any way it suits them. See this also — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.97.62.61 ( talk) 02:26, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
The Early Career section says he assumed the stage name Ben Kingsley when he was acting on stage in Volpone in 1977. I'm not an expert on his early performances, but he was definitely credited as "Ben Kingsley" in his first film, Fear is the Key, back in 1972. Muzilon ( talk) 08:47, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
The article uses innumerable examples of the construction "Kingsley would ...": "Kingsley would begin ...", "Kingsley would continue ...", "Kingsley would play ...", "Kingsley would star in ...", "Kingsley would be nominated for ...", "Kingsley would portray ...", "Kingsley would receive ...", "Kingsley would win ...", "Kingsley would go on to ...", instead of the more direct "Kingsley began", "Kingsley continued", "Kingsley played", etc. In my opinion, the article would be improved by the wholesale replacement of the former with the latter, with perhaps one or two exceptions, but rather than impose my own preference for directness and economy, I thought I'd raise the matter here first. What say you all? Jean-de-Nivelle ( talk) 15:35, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
this movie not listed here? Jules (film) 173.33.191.183 ( talk) 17:11, 2 May 2024 (UTC)