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I came across the Capital punishment in Islam article and it seems redundant to have a separate article just on beheading. Beheading in Islam should be a section under Capital punishment in Islam. KuroNekoNiyah ( talk) 02:44, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
Should this article be explicitly about capital punishment under some Islamic law, then it should be merged with the Capital punishment in Islam article. If it's article on extrajudicial killing, war-crime, terrorism, etc. than "in Islam" part of the title has to go.-- ౪ Santa ౪ 99° 22:16, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
I read through this entire section in detail looking for something useful or salvageable and pertaining to the subject, but the entire body of material was incredibly unencyclopedic, disjointed and off-topic. Death threats in Pakistani politics are not the same as actual regimes of execution. For anyone wanting to restore this material, the WP:ONUS is on them in terms of demonstrating its relevance to the subject. Iskandar323 ( talk) 07:31, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
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Gul Bukhari in ' The Nation (Pakistan)' says that, taking benefit of average Pakistanis not having expertise in the Arabic language, fanatic clergy regularly quote other ayat of the Qur’an that had nothing whatsoever to do with blasphemy. They translate them to the unsuspecting believers to mislead them that ‘sar tan se juda’ (head cut off from body) is the prescribed Islamic punishment for blasphemy. [1] In the TRT World, author Umer Bin Ajmal narrates own school experience in Pakistan, where in one of Urdu couplet for regular school assembly prayer was (Urdu:) “Sadarat mein, sifarat mein, wazarat mein, adalat mein; jo dekho deen ke dushman tou sar tan se juda kar do; (In presidency, in embassy, in ministry, in court; if you come across enemies of the faith, behead them).” [2] According to Sohail Khattak and Noman Ahmed of 'The Express Tribune, Pakistan', in 2014 Professor Dr Muhammad Shakil Auj, the then officiating dean of Islamic Studies Faculty at the University of Karachi was gunned down. Police investigators suspected likely involvement of his own colleagues in texting and circulating blasphemy charges with message 'sar tan se juda (Beheading is the punishment)' against Auj, being not happy with the orientation of his research. [3] According to Naila Inayat not only French President Emmanuel Macron’s defaced photos were pasted on the floors of a bazaars for people to step on, a female teacher in Islamabad based Islamic seminary Jamia Hafsa madrassa (of Lal Masjid) was recorded beheading an effigy of President Macron as teenage female students chanted ‘Ghustak-e-Nabi ki aik hi saza, sar tan se juda (Beheading is the only punishment for those who blaspheme the Prophet)’. [4] According to Safdar Sial of Pak Institute for Peace Studies, traditional narratives of the Barelvis being followers of Sufism, peace-loving and moderate stands negated when it comes blasphemy-related issues. [5] Pakistan Sunni Tehreek, came into being in 1990 to contest take over of the mosques and madrasas of the Barelvi school of thought by Deobandi and Ahle Hadith groups, then there slogan was "Jawaniyan lutaain gai, masjidain bachayein gai [We will sacrifice our lives to protect our mosques]" with anti blasphemy protest newer radical slogan adopted by them is "Tauheen rasalat ki ek saza, sar tan se juda (There’s only one punishment for a blasphemer and that is beheading). [5] According to Zia Ur Rehman's geo.tv news report, Barelvi groups are politically exploiting the issue of blasphemy to exhibit their strength to counter the growing influence of Deobandi and Ahle Hadith groups. They started a trend of radicalisation, making it difficult to differentiate between them and jihadist groups. [5] According to a Pakistani law enforcement official, they are a network of criminals mainly involved in extortion cases and targeted killings. turned into Minister for Parliamentary Affairs of Pakistan, Ali Muhammad Khan defended a later-deleted Tweet post in which he said: "There is only one punishment for insulting the Prophet - chopping off the head", Ali Khan insisted that, he believed in "legal procedures and court proceedings" for anyone accused of blasphemy and said he deleted post since Twitter had asked him to delete the post. [6] Subsequently, in April 2021 European Parliament specifically expressed displeasure over the minister Ali's remarks saying, "..strongly rejects the reported statement by Pakistan’s Minister of State for Parliamentary Affairs, Ali Khan, calling for people who commit blasphemy to be beheaded..", the EU parliament adopted resolution also stated that, it is concerned by the fact that blasphemy laws in Pakistan are frequently abused to make false accusations having various incentives, including settling personal disputes or seeking economic gain; and called on the Government of Pakistan, therefore, to take due heed of the resolution and to repeal the blasphemy laws accordingly. [7] [8] In another incident in Karnataka India, in November 2020, an inflammatory graffiti using similar text "Gustak-e-Rasool ki ek hi Saza, Sar Tan se Juda (There is only one punishment for offending the Prophet, severing the head from the body)” was observed on walls of a building at a township, intending to cause a social strife. [9] [10] |
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"...Taking advantage of the Arabic language being alien to Pakistanis, the Alims-Jamatias-Oryas-Rizvis etc. also regularly quote other ayat of the Qur'an that have nothing whatsoever to do with blasphemy and mistranslate them for the unsuspecting believers to give them the impression that 'sar tan se juda' (head cut off from body) is the prescribed Islamic punishment for blasphemy...." ~ Gul Bukhari in The Nation (Pakistan) Date April 16, 2017
"...The school I completed my matriculation from belonged to a chain of dozens of schools run and administered by the Jamaat-i-Islami (JI), a political party leaning to the right of the political spectrum...A ritual every day during the assembly was the recitation of some verses from the Quran, followed by a poem, and Pakistan's national anthem to conclude. ...One of the poems, that in the day was quite popular at my school, had these lyrics in Urdu: "Sadarat mein, sifarat mein, wazarat mein, adalat mein; jo dekho deen ke dushman tou sar tan se juda kar do; (In presidency, in embassy, in ministry, in court; if you come across enemies of the faith, behead them)...." By Umer Bin Ajmal at TRT World
"...While the social media teams trend 'Shame on you Macro', there was a 'Macron-cutting' ceremony on display at the notorious Jamia Hafsa madrassa (of Lal Masjid fame) in Islamabad. A teacher was recorded beheading an effigy of President Macron as young female students chanted 'Ghustak-e-Nabi ki aik hi saza, sar tan se juda (Beheading is the only punishment for those who blaspheme the Prophet)'.." By Naila Inayat in ThePrint Dated 5 November 2020
""State Minister for Parliamentary Affairs Ali Muhammad Khan...Khan defended a now-deleted Twitter post in which he said: "There is only one punishment for insulting the Prophet - chopping off the head"....He stressed he believed in "legal procedures and court proceedings" for anyone accused of blasphemy and said Twitter had asked him to delete the post.." as appeared in Pakistan excludes religious sect from minority commission ~ Reuters dated 7 May 2020
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This article Murders of Louisa Vesterager Jespersen and Maren Ueland gives another two somewhat recent accounts of beheading done by isil. 2A02:8388:1846:5280:256C:40D:CE49:DD44 ( talk) 17:50, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
Why not separate terrorist beheadings from this article and put it under a new entry?
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I came across the Capital punishment in Islam article and it seems redundant to have a separate article just on beheading. Beheading in Islam should be a section under Capital punishment in Islam. KuroNekoNiyah ( talk) 02:44, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
Should this article be explicitly about capital punishment under some Islamic law, then it should be merged with the Capital punishment in Islam article. If it's article on extrajudicial killing, war-crime, terrorism, etc. than "in Islam" part of the title has to go.-- ౪ Santa ౪ 99° 22:16, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
I read through this entire section in detail looking for something useful or salvageable and pertaining to the subject, but the entire body of material was incredibly unencyclopedic, disjointed and off-topic. Death threats in Pakistani politics are not the same as actual regimes of execution. For anyone wanting to restore this material, the WP:ONUS is on them in terms of demonstrating its relevance to the subject. Iskandar323 ( talk) 07:31, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
Deleted section In Khutbah, sermons and protest sloganeering
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Gul Bukhari in ' The Nation (Pakistan)' says that, taking benefit of average Pakistanis not having expertise in the Arabic language, fanatic clergy regularly quote other ayat of the Qur’an that had nothing whatsoever to do with blasphemy. They translate them to the unsuspecting believers to mislead them that ‘sar tan se juda’ (head cut off from body) is the prescribed Islamic punishment for blasphemy. [1] In the TRT World, author Umer Bin Ajmal narrates own school experience in Pakistan, where in one of Urdu couplet for regular school assembly prayer was (Urdu:) “Sadarat mein, sifarat mein, wazarat mein, adalat mein; jo dekho deen ke dushman tou sar tan se juda kar do; (In presidency, in embassy, in ministry, in court; if you come across enemies of the faith, behead them).” [2] According to Sohail Khattak and Noman Ahmed of 'The Express Tribune, Pakistan', in 2014 Professor Dr Muhammad Shakil Auj, the then officiating dean of Islamic Studies Faculty at the University of Karachi was gunned down. Police investigators suspected likely involvement of his own colleagues in texting and circulating blasphemy charges with message 'sar tan se juda (Beheading is the punishment)' against Auj, being not happy with the orientation of his research. [3] According to Naila Inayat not only French President Emmanuel Macron’s defaced photos were pasted on the floors of a bazaars for people to step on, a female teacher in Islamabad based Islamic seminary Jamia Hafsa madrassa (of Lal Masjid) was recorded beheading an effigy of President Macron as teenage female students chanted ‘Ghustak-e-Nabi ki aik hi saza, sar tan se juda (Beheading is the only punishment for those who blaspheme the Prophet)’. [4] According to Safdar Sial of Pak Institute for Peace Studies, traditional narratives of the Barelvis being followers of Sufism, peace-loving and moderate stands negated when it comes blasphemy-related issues. [5] Pakistan Sunni Tehreek, came into being in 1990 to contest take over of the mosques and madrasas of the Barelvi school of thought by Deobandi and Ahle Hadith groups, then there slogan was "Jawaniyan lutaain gai, masjidain bachayein gai [We will sacrifice our lives to protect our mosques]" with anti blasphemy protest newer radical slogan adopted by them is "Tauheen rasalat ki ek saza, sar tan se juda (There’s only one punishment for a blasphemer and that is beheading). [5] According to Zia Ur Rehman's geo.tv news report, Barelvi groups are politically exploiting the issue of blasphemy to exhibit their strength to counter the growing influence of Deobandi and Ahle Hadith groups. They started a trend of radicalisation, making it difficult to differentiate between them and jihadist groups. [5] According to a Pakistani law enforcement official, they are a network of criminals mainly involved in extortion cases and targeted killings. turned into Minister for Parliamentary Affairs of Pakistan, Ali Muhammad Khan defended a later-deleted Tweet post in which he said: "There is only one punishment for insulting the Prophet - chopping off the head", Ali Khan insisted that, he believed in "legal procedures and court proceedings" for anyone accused of blasphemy and said he deleted post since Twitter had asked him to delete the post. [6] Subsequently, in April 2021 European Parliament specifically expressed displeasure over the minister Ali's remarks saying, "..strongly rejects the reported statement by Pakistan’s Minister of State for Parliamentary Affairs, Ali Khan, calling for people who commit blasphemy to be beheaded..", the EU parliament adopted resolution also stated that, it is concerned by the fact that blasphemy laws in Pakistan are frequently abused to make false accusations having various incentives, including settling personal disputes or seeking economic gain; and called on the Government of Pakistan, therefore, to take due heed of the resolution and to repeal the blasphemy laws accordingly. [7] [8] In another incident in Karnataka India, in November 2020, an inflammatory graffiti using similar text "Gustak-e-Rasool ki ek hi Saza, Sar Tan se Juda (There is only one punishment for offending the Prophet, severing the head from the body)” was observed on walls of a building at a township, intending to cause a social strife. [9] [10] |
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"...Taking advantage of the Arabic language being alien to Pakistanis, the Alims-Jamatias-Oryas-Rizvis etc. also regularly quote other ayat of the Qur'an that have nothing whatsoever to do with blasphemy and mistranslate them for the unsuspecting believers to give them the impression that 'sar tan se juda' (head cut off from body) is the prescribed Islamic punishment for blasphemy...." ~ Gul Bukhari in The Nation (Pakistan) Date April 16, 2017
"...The school I completed my matriculation from belonged to a chain of dozens of schools run and administered by the Jamaat-i-Islami (JI), a political party leaning to the right of the political spectrum...A ritual every day during the assembly was the recitation of some verses from the Quran, followed by a poem, and Pakistan's national anthem to conclude. ...One of the poems, that in the day was quite popular at my school, had these lyrics in Urdu: "Sadarat mein, sifarat mein, wazarat mein, adalat mein; jo dekho deen ke dushman tou sar tan se juda kar do; (In presidency, in embassy, in ministry, in court; if you come across enemies of the faith, behead them)...." By Umer Bin Ajmal at TRT World
"...While the social media teams trend 'Shame on you Macro', there was a 'Macron-cutting' ceremony on display at the notorious Jamia Hafsa madrassa (of Lal Masjid fame) in Islamabad. A teacher was recorded beheading an effigy of President Macron as young female students chanted 'Ghustak-e-Nabi ki aik hi saza, sar tan se juda (Beheading is the only punishment for those who blaspheme the Prophet)'.." By Naila Inayat in ThePrint Dated 5 November 2020
""State Minister for Parliamentary Affairs Ali Muhammad Khan...Khan defended a now-deleted Twitter post in which he said: "There is only one punishment for insulting the Prophet - chopping off the head"....He stressed he believed in "legal procedures and court proceedings" for anyone accused of blasphemy and said Twitter had asked him to delete the post.." as appeared in Pakistan excludes religious sect from minority commission ~ Reuters dated 7 May 2020
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This article Murders of Louisa Vesterager Jespersen and Maren Ueland gives another two somewhat recent accounts of beheading done by isil. 2A02:8388:1846:5280:256C:40D:CE49:DD44 ( talk) 17:50, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
Why not separate terrorist beheadings from this article and put it under a new entry?
2401:7400:6007:C6B4:E716:DEED:42F6:B34D ( talk) 04:42, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
The redirect
Sar tan se juda (Urdu slogan) has been listed at
redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the
redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 August 16 § Sar tan se juda (Urdu slogan) until a consensus is reached. –
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