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11/18/04 - Rewrote top section, corrected factual errors, added links and new information.
The page lists the maximum speed of the 1953 model D35 bonanza as 166knot or 191mph. This is consistent. However, for the 2009 model G36, the maximum speed is listed as 203mph (192kn). This is NOT correct, 203mph is NOT equal to 192kn. I am not sure whether the max speed is actually 203mph (177kn) or 192kn (221mph). The proper formula for converting between knot and mph is: Knots = 1.151 * Mph, as listed on the wikipedia Knot (unit) page. I've never edited wikipedia before, and since Im not sure whether the speed is actually supposed to be 203mph or 192kn, I didn't change it.
The commentary about the interconnect is misleading. The aileron and rudder systems are interconnected by bungees, as opposed to a mechanical system deflecting aileron and rudder in exactly correct increments. Indeed, such as system would be nigh impossible, because the amount of rudder necessary is different depending on aircraft attitude, speed and the amount of power the engine is developing.
Think of the bungee interconnect system as "power assist" for the rudders and ailerons and you'd be close.
Contrast the Bonanza's system with the true mechanical interconnect on the Ercoupe, which from the factory had no rudder pedals. The above mentioned problems in yaw accuracy were simply accepted in that aircraft, and it was engineered towarded that purpose, and with much lower performance than the Bonanza.
NOTABLE THAT THE PRESS IN THE WORLD [AT THAT TIME] DID NOT AGREE WITH ANY OF THIS RE TYPE OF AIRCRAFT AND RESULTANT CAUSE/ES.
The rudder/aileron interconnect is a flexible bungee which can be over-ridden by the pilot by use of control input. It allows the pilot to make coordinated turns with his feet on the floor using the yoke alone. This system is most useful in cruise flight. On takeoff increased right-foot pressure is still required to overcome torque and P-factor. In the landing phase the bungee system must be over-ridden by the pilot when making a cross-wind landing and cross-control inputs are required to keep the airplane aligned with the runway centerline without drifting left or right. Tom Fleischman 00:50, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
The ref to "Captain William Eldridge Odom" is wrong. The late Lt. Gen. William Eldridge Odom was a kid like me in 1947-1948. The "Bill Odom" related to the Bonanza flights was an earlier William (C. or G.) Odom who made the long range Bonanza flights. He was later killed while flying a Modified P51, the "Begin the Beguine", at the 1949 Cleveland air races.
Incidentally, that airplane and Odom had been touted by Radio personality Arthur Godfrey prior. I remember this stuff personally, but it's on the net, too.
So, there are two "Bill Odom"s of note.
Fubartu ( talk) 03:54, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
All the miscellanous facts are intersting but none of them with the exception of the "Day The Music Died" crash even together would merit their own section in the article so that entire section seems out of place and forced just to push that crash into the article in a somewhat akward way. If there's a better way to add the info about the famous crash then I'm all for doing it encyclopedically but creating a half-assed section of misc. facts just to do so doesn't seem to me to be the best way to do it. 23:07, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
Merge Beechcraft Model 40 → Beechcraft Bonanza
...and, almost a year later, finally done. - The Bushranger ( talk) 02:44, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
Hi,
I added a photograph of a 1957 H35 Bonanza. I don't know if there is a particular layout or criteria others wish to see for these. I put it in line with the H model entry in the "Variants" section. This seemed like a good idea, although I didn't go so far as to move the S Model down to sit next to its entry in the list. That, too might make sense.
Also, I was considering adding some photographs and information on the panels on different models. I think showing changes through the years may be interesting and useful. For example, models with throw-over yokes, center stacks, the "piano key" switches on early variants, etc. Let me know if these contributions run counter to the consensus for what ought to be where. Thanks and cheers! Cgettings ( talk) 03:17, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
Hello,
I see on this page where airspeeds are given in knots, 'knots' is abbreviated as 'kn.' Does anyone object to changing this to be 'kts?' Pls. comment, thanks. Cgettings ( talk) 13:01, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
Isn't it the usual practice to list the specs of the most built version, in this case the A36 by a very substantial margin, or in the case of currently in production aircraft we go with the latest model? Roger ( talk) 12:15, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
OK, I have the other 3 sandboxes up at:
Have at 'em! Also, I think the current Beechcraft Bonanza page can be converted to the summary/overview fairly easily once the other articles are completed, as that is basically what it is now, the text anyway. - BilCat ( talk) 10:51, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
My revision was deleted by BilCat for unclear reasons. May I ask, by way of clarification, what were the objections to my revision? I have no problem with a re-write if there is any concern about the manner in which I phrased my revision, or if there appears to be, in anyone's mind, an aura of non-objectivity. However, the facts as outlined are correct: 1) The V-tail was a flawed design 2) It lacks stability in turbulence 3)It was the cause of multiple fatal accidents 4) The lack of a spar web was the cause of wing failures in the early Bonanzas, especially the "straight 35" model 5) Beech has never admitted that there was a design flaw in the Bonanza, even while modifying the aircraft to fix those flaws 6) A Beech test pilot was killed in 1947 while test-flying a Bonanza whose V-tail fell off. Need I say, etc., etc.? I think the most clear indication that the V-tail Bonanza was a defective design is that the conventional-tail Bonanza, identical in all other respects, is a perfectly good and safe aircraft. I think readers who are considering purchasing a Bonanza, and look to Wikipedia for information, need to be informed about the aircraft; they don't need to read what is essentially a Beech Aircraft advertisement. 98.170.214.201 ( talk) 07:00, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
My data came from the following sources. The first article researching the problem and criticizing the Bonanza came from Brent Silver, aviation engineer consultant, who wrote the article for The Aviation Consumer. Second, a point paper for a course, Studies in Ethics, Safety, and Liability For Engineers, at the University of Texas at Austin. This was written by Kurt Hoover, Wallace T. Fowler, and Ronald O. Stearman. This paper is well researched, and references another article in The Aviation Consumer: "Beech 35 Airframe Failure Report," by Richard B. Weeghman, as well the following: "Instrumented Flight Test of the Beechcraft V-tail Bonanza" by Coffey, Long, Moralez, McCullough, and Stecklein, and "Reduction and Analysis of Flight Test Data for the Beechcraft V-tail Bonanza" by Baade, Hazelhurst, and Lyons. Both of those papers are from the University of Texas at Austin. In addition, Brent Silver's 1980 Aviation Consumer article, "The V-tail Bonanza--Breaking of a Legend" is also noted.
The V-tail problem is not a matter of opinion. It has been well studied and referenced for years, as even a cursory internet search will show. I am an FAA certificated Airframe and Powerplant Mechanic with Inspection Authorization, and I am very familiar with aircraft structures and aircraft maintenance and accident histories. The history of the V-tail Bonanza is both paradoxical and counter-intuitive. This is a terrible design whose flaws caused untold tragedies, yet the aircraft retains a terrific reputation among owners. The article in Wikipedia as it presently stands sustains this denial of the obvious, and in my opinion it should be edited to reflect the true experience with this misbegotten wretch of aerodynamic design (ok, that was not NPOV!). Seriously, Wiki readers need to know the full story, and I would be happy to accept any help in formulating a proper edit. Thanks 74.239.2.104 ( talk) 19:15, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
"The Civil Aviation Safety Authority (CASA) issued an airworthiness directive late yesterday(13th) requiring the mandatory inspection of flight control cables on the Beechcraft Debonair and Bonanza aircraft. per ref "CASA issues directive on light planes" AAP January 13, 2012. Retrieved January 14, 2012" Has a grounding like this happened to the Debonair/Bonanza before? Is it encyclopaedic enough for mention? - 220 of Borg 09:11, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
From its initial debut in 1947, to its end of production in 1982, the plane had suffered about 250, in-flight structural failures which resulted in hundreds of deaths of its pilots and innocent passengers.
An engineering ethics study done at the University of Texas found that depending on year model, either the wings separated or the v-tail assembly failed. In 1952, the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) conducted a 12-year study and found out what they already knew; the airplane had an unusually high incidence of in-flight structural failures. No further action was taken and the study was terminated.
Why is this not included?
Dwdallam ( talk) 23:52, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
The aircraft in the infobox photo (OO-JKM) is not a proper "representative example" of the type. It has been modified with the addition of aftermarket wingtip fuel tanks. I believe the "main" image should be representative of the type as the original manufacturer intended it to look - without any obviously visible STC add-ons. Roger (Dodger67) ( talk) 19:17, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
This discussion was transcribed from User talk:Ahunt
______________ ///NEW/// Thanks for your comments about my edits to the Bonanza page. Aside from the curt commentary to me and the presumption of self-aggrandizement, I completely appreciate your concerns for referencing proclamations. My multiple posts were actually my poor attempts at properly editing on a wiki page, something I am obviously new at. It did further fail to validate my claim, and my lack of word precision complicated what you presumed to be my assertion. As a former career military aviator, a CFII/MEI, owner of several aircraft including a Bo, I had been approached - and bought the Bo - *not* because **this specific aircraft** was the fastest, but that the overall Model S35 variant has been _commonly known_ to be the lightest per horsepower of all the piston Bonanzas, and the fastest... With it's lightest basic weight, V-Tail, and most horsepower (with a TCM IO-520 engine), it has a Vne of 227 MPH, which exceeds the Vne and cruise speeds of the A36, newer (but heavier) models, even sporting their 15HP-higher-but-heavier IO-550 engines.
It is why I bought that model, and is based on common knowledge in the Bonanza arena. That said, it is NOT rigorous to post 'common knowledge' here, without references, per your complaint to me. While I don't have time to publish a comparative aero paper on this, or even collect all the base weights, HPs, and ref those, I can look about for easy reference; and I will write to Beechcraft's front office to see if there is any comparative works on performance out there; and approach the American Bonanza Society (where threads do exist, about "the Fast One" [probably-insufficient]....). I will let you know if I get anything useful.
I also am unsure why you say I need to prove why a fastest model is interesting.... I can ask that question of every single posting in wiki; some folks would find such info interesting. Maybe not you?
I know it's easy to get exasperated with newbies wobbling imperfectly about the wiki pages, so I appreciate your patience, and just ask for a tad more patience when you make your own presumptions about the postings, however incorrect, on wiki. If you are going to to presume I am posting for gain, then I am going to ask you to have valid references for your posted assertions of same <wink>.
Thanks.... Kind regards, P.D. Shankland, PhD. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kibalicker ( talk • contribs)
OBTW: though these are not rigorous refs, but while I await replies for same, you should know I didn't make up the 'fastest' moniker:
http://www.aviatortrader.com/ads/1965-beechcraft-s35-bonanza-aka-the-fast-one/
http://www.beechtalk.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=69398
http://www.pilotsofamerica.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-57482.html
.........................
I trust your Naval Aviator instincts. John". I believe in the case of John, you might find his credentials sufficient if mine are irrelevant; if not please feel free to email him, or read his books on Bonanzas to determine his veracity for your own comfort level. I have his email address if you wish it. Here is his own bio- http://www.mypilotstore.com/MyPilotStore/John-Eckalbar/
Thanks r/PDS. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kibalicker ( talk • contribs) 06:36, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
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This article about a US designed and produced civilian aircraft type, the Beech Model 35 "Bonanza", which is built in Wichita, KS, contained dates formatted as both US (MDY) and Commonwealth (DMY). In conformance with WP:MOS and what I find to be the case in the many other articles relating to US designed and produced civilian aircraft types that I checked, I corrected the few instances where the dates were in Commonwealth formatting to that of US, non-military formatting used elsewhere for both internal and external consistency. Another editor, who according to his/her user page is based in a Commonwealth country (Canada) reverted these corrections, with a claim that "DMY is preferred in aircraft articles" however the WP citation on date formatting makes no mention whatsoever of such a preference. I have therefore restored MDY US non-military formatting for the reasons stated above. Centpacrr ( talk) 18:07, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
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Archive 1 |
11/18/04 - Rewrote top section, corrected factual errors, added links and new information.
The page lists the maximum speed of the 1953 model D35 bonanza as 166knot or 191mph. This is consistent. However, for the 2009 model G36, the maximum speed is listed as 203mph (192kn). This is NOT correct, 203mph is NOT equal to 192kn. I am not sure whether the max speed is actually 203mph (177kn) or 192kn (221mph). The proper formula for converting between knot and mph is: Knots = 1.151 * Mph, as listed on the wikipedia Knot (unit) page. I've never edited wikipedia before, and since Im not sure whether the speed is actually supposed to be 203mph or 192kn, I didn't change it.
The commentary about the interconnect is misleading. The aileron and rudder systems are interconnected by bungees, as opposed to a mechanical system deflecting aileron and rudder in exactly correct increments. Indeed, such as system would be nigh impossible, because the amount of rudder necessary is different depending on aircraft attitude, speed and the amount of power the engine is developing.
Think of the bungee interconnect system as "power assist" for the rudders and ailerons and you'd be close.
Contrast the Bonanza's system with the true mechanical interconnect on the Ercoupe, which from the factory had no rudder pedals. The above mentioned problems in yaw accuracy were simply accepted in that aircraft, and it was engineered towarded that purpose, and with much lower performance than the Bonanza.
NOTABLE THAT THE PRESS IN THE WORLD [AT THAT TIME] DID NOT AGREE WITH ANY OF THIS RE TYPE OF AIRCRAFT AND RESULTANT CAUSE/ES.
The rudder/aileron interconnect is a flexible bungee which can be over-ridden by the pilot by use of control input. It allows the pilot to make coordinated turns with his feet on the floor using the yoke alone. This system is most useful in cruise flight. On takeoff increased right-foot pressure is still required to overcome torque and P-factor. In the landing phase the bungee system must be over-ridden by the pilot when making a cross-wind landing and cross-control inputs are required to keep the airplane aligned with the runway centerline without drifting left or right. Tom Fleischman 00:50, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
The ref to "Captain William Eldridge Odom" is wrong. The late Lt. Gen. William Eldridge Odom was a kid like me in 1947-1948. The "Bill Odom" related to the Bonanza flights was an earlier William (C. or G.) Odom who made the long range Bonanza flights. He was later killed while flying a Modified P51, the "Begin the Beguine", at the 1949 Cleveland air races.
Incidentally, that airplane and Odom had been touted by Radio personality Arthur Godfrey prior. I remember this stuff personally, but it's on the net, too.
So, there are two "Bill Odom"s of note.
Fubartu ( talk) 03:54, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
All the miscellanous facts are intersting but none of them with the exception of the "Day The Music Died" crash even together would merit their own section in the article so that entire section seems out of place and forced just to push that crash into the article in a somewhat akward way. If there's a better way to add the info about the famous crash then I'm all for doing it encyclopedically but creating a half-assed section of misc. facts just to do so doesn't seem to me to be the best way to do it. 23:07, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
Merge Beechcraft Model 40 → Beechcraft Bonanza
...and, almost a year later, finally done. - The Bushranger ( talk) 02:44, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
Hi,
I added a photograph of a 1957 H35 Bonanza. I don't know if there is a particular layout or criteria others wish to see for these. I put it in line with the H model entry in the "Variants" section. This seemed like a good idea, although I didn't go so far as to move the S Model down to sit next to its entry in the list. That, too might make sense.
Also, I was considering adding some photographs and information on the panels on different models. I think showing changes through the years may be interesting and useful. For example, models with throw-over yokes, center stacks, the "piano key" switches on early variants, etc. Let me know if these contributions run counter to the consensus for what ought to be where. Thanks and cheers! Cgettings ( talk) 03:17, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
Hello,
I see on this page where airspeeds are given in knots, 'knots' is abbreviated as 'kn.' Does anyone object to changing this to be 'kts?' Pls. comment, thanks. Cgettings ( talk) 13:01, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
Isn't it the usual practice to list the specs of the most built version, in this case the A36 by a very substantial margin, or in the case of currently in production aircraft we go with the latest model? Roger ( talk) 12:15, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
OK, I have the other 3 sandboxes up at:
Have at 'em! Also, I think the current Beechcraft Bonanza page can be converted to the summary/overview fairly easily once the other articles are completed, as that is basically what it is now, the text anyway. - BilCat ( talk) 10:51, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
My revision was deleted by BilCat for unclear reasons. May I ask, by way of clarification, what were the objections to my revision? I have no problem with a re-write if there is any concern about the manner in which I phrased my revision, or if there appears to be, in anyone's mind, an aura of non-objectivity. However, the facts as outlined are correct: 1) The V-tail was a flawed design 2) It lacks stability in turbulence 3)It was the cause of multiple fatal accidents 4) The lack of a spar web was the cause of wing failures in the early Bonanzas, especially the "straight 35" model 5) Beech has never admitted that there was a design flaw in the Bonanza, even while modifying the aircraft to fix those flaws 6) A Beech test pilot was killed in 1947 while test-flying a Bonanza whose V-tail fell off. Need I say, etc., etc.? I think the most clear indication that the V-tail Bonanza was a defective design is that the conventional-tail Bonanza, identical in all other respects, is a perfectly good and safe aircraft. I think readers who are considering purchasing a Bonanza, and look to Wikipedia for information, need to be informed about the aircraft; they don't need to read what is essentially a Beech Aircraft advertisement. 98.170.214.201 ( talk) 07:00, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
My data came from the following sources. The first article researching the problem and criticizing the Bonanza came from Brent Silver, aviation engineer consultant, who wrote the article for The Aviation Consumer. Second, a point paper for a course, Studies in Ethics, Safety, and Liability For Engineers, at the University of Texas at Austin. This was written by Kurt Hoover, Wallace T. Fowler, and Ronald O. Stearman. This paper is well researched, and references another article in The Aviation Consumer: "Beech 35 Airframe Failure Report," by Richard B. Weeghman, as well the following: "Instrumented Flight Test of the Beechcraft V-tail Bonanza" by Coffey, Long, Moralez, McCullough, and Stecklein, and "Reduction and Analysis of Flight Test Data for the Beechcraft V-tail Bonanza" by Baade, Hazelhurst, and Lyons. Both of those papers are from the University of Texas at Austin. In addition, Brent Silver's 1980 Aviation Consumer article, "The V-tail Bonanza--Breaking of a Legend" is also noted.
The V-tail problem is not a matter of opinion. It has been well studied and referenced for years, as even a cursory internet search will show. I am an FAA certificated Airframe and Powerplant Mechanic with Inspection Authorization, and I am very familiar with aircraft structures and aircraft maintenance and accident histories. The history of the V-tail Bonanza is both paradoxical and counter-intuitive. This is a terrible design whose flaws caused untold tragedies, yet the aircraft retains a terrific reputation among owners. The article in Wikipedia as it presently stands sustains this denial of the obvious, and in my opinion it should be edited to reflect the true experience with this misbegotten wretch of aerodynamic design (ok, that was not NPOV!). Seriously, Wiki readers need to know the full story, and I would be happy to accept any help in formulating a proper edit. Thanks 74.239.2.104 ( talk) 19:15, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
"The Civil Aviation Safety Authority (CASA) issued an airworthiness directive late yesterday(13th) requiring the mandatory inspection of flight control cables on the Beechcraft Debonair and Bonanza aircraft. per ref "CASA issues directive on light planes" AAP January 13, 2012. Retrieved January 14, 2012" Has a grounding like this happened to the Debonair/Bonanza before? Is it encyclopaedic enough for mention? - 220 of Borg 09:11, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
From its initial debut in 1947, to its end of production in 1982, the plane had suffered about 250, in-flight structural failures which resulted in hundreds of deaths of its pilots and innocent passengers.
An engineering ethics study done at the University of Texas found that depending on year model, either the wings separated or the v-tail assembly failed. In 1952, the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) conducted a 12-year study and found out what they already knew; the airplane had an unusually high incidence of in-flight structural failures. No further action was taken and the study was terminated.
Why is this not included?
Dwdallam ( talk) 23:52, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
The aircraft in the infobox photo (OO-JKM) is not a proper "representative example" of the type. It has been modified with the addition of aftermarket wingtip fuel tanks. I believe the "main" image should be representative of the type as the original manufacturer intended it to look - without any obviously visible STC add-ons. Roger (Dodger67) ( talk) 19:17, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
This discussion was transcribed from User talk:Ahunt
______________ ///NEW/// Thanks for your comments about my edits to the Bonanza page. Aside from the curt commentary to me and the presumption of self-aggrandizement, I completely appreciate your concerns for referencing proclamations. My multiple posts were actually my poor attempts at properly editing on a wiki page, something I am obviously new at. It did further fail to validate my claim, and my lack of word precision complicated what you presumed to be my assertion. As a former career military aviator, a CFII/MEI, owner of several aircraft including a Bo, I had been approached - and bought the Bo - *not* because **this specific aircraft** was the fastest, but that the overall Model S35 variant has been _commonly known_ to be the lightest per horsepower of all the piston Bonanzas, and the fastest... With it's lightest basic weight, V-Tail, and most horsepower (with a TCM IO-520 engine), it has a Vne of 227 MPH, which exceeds the Vne and cruise speeds of the A36, newer (but heavier) models, even sporting their 15HP-higher-but-heavier IO-550 engines.
It is why I bought that model, and is based on common knowledge in the Bonanza arena. That said, it is NOT rigorous to post 'common knowledge' here, without references, per your complaint to me. While I don't have time to publish a comparative aero paper on this, or even collect all the base weights, HPs, and ref those, I can look about for easy reference; and I will write to Beechcraft's front office to see if there is any comparative works on performance out there; and approach the American Bonanza Society (where threads do exist, about "the Fast One" [probably-insufficient]....). I will let you know if I get anything useful.
I also am unsure why you say I need to prove why a fastest model is interesting.... I can ask that question of every single posting in wiki; some folks would find such info interesting. Maybe not you?
I know it's easy to get exasperated with newbies wobbling imperfectly about the wiki pages, so I appreciate your patience, and just ask for a tad more patience when you make your own presumptions about the postings, however incorrect, on wiki. If you are going to to presume I am posting for gain, then I am going to ask you to have valid references for your posted assertions of same <wink>.
Thanks.... Kind regards, P.D. Shankland, PhD. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kibalicker ( talk • contribs)
OBTW: though these are not rigorous refs, but while I await replies for same, you should know I didn't make up the 'fastest' moniker:
http://www.aviatortrader.com/ads/1965-beechcraft-s35-bonanza-aka-the-fast-one/
http://www.beechtalk.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=69398
http://www.pilotsofamerica.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-57482.html
.........................
I trust your Naval Aviator instincts. John". I believe in the case of John, you might find his credentials sufficient if mine are irrelevant; if not please feel free to email him, or read his books on Bonanzas to determine his veracity for your own comfort level. I have his email address if you wish it. Here is his own bio- http://www.mypilotstore.com/MyPilotStore/John-Eckalbar/
Thanks r/PDS. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kibalicker ( talk • contribs) 06:36, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
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This article about a US designed and produced civilian aircraft type, the Beech Model 35 "Bonanza", which is built in Wichita, KS, contained dates formatted as both US (MDY) and Commonwealth (DMY). In conformance with WP:MOS and what I find to be the case in the many other articles relating to US designed and produced civilian aircraft types that I checked, I corrected the few instances where the dates were in Commonwealth formatting to that of US, non-military formatting used elsewhere for both internal and external consistency. Another editor, who according to his/her user page is based in a Commonwealth country (Canada) reverted these corrections, with a claim that "DMY is preferred in aircraft articles" however the WP citation on date formatting makes no mention whatsoever of such a preference. I have therefore restored MDY US non-military formatting for the reasons stated above. Centpacrr ( talk) 18:07, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
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