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I'm shocked to see this word hasn't been used at all in this article. Not that I'm an apiologist or anything, I just like the word a lot! 212.69.35.53 ( talk) 15:44, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
"it eminently eats bees, wasps, hornets and other insects (but it does not like flies)." Bees, wasps, and hornets are all Hymenoptera, but flies aren't. What other insects does it eat? -phma
This article needs citations...I can't believe this bird captures the bees in mid-air. How does it not get owned by the bees...it must be outnumbered 20-to-1 or more. I shall do some research. Meowist 21:29, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
I see...they sound quite amazing. This article would be positively killer with a photo (or video!) of a bee-eater in action, by the way.
If you like bee eaters you might enjoy this bee eater vs giant honey bee paper [1] Sean.hoyland - talk 04:14, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
I think that the countries thing was partly overlinking (do people really not know what France is?) and partly a western-orientated viewpoint that tended to link eg Tajikistan, but not the US or France. All countries are equal... Jimfbleak ( talk) 06:43, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
The article currently contains the text: "Opinions vary as to the bee-eater's nearest relatives, although the kingfishers seem the most likely,[5]" where [5] is Fry in HBW 2001. Two large studies published since 2001 include Coraciiformes in their analyses: Hackett et al. 2008 and Prum et al 2015. Unfortunately they come to different conclusions. Hackett et al 2008 find that bee-eaters are sister to all other Coraciiformes while Prum et al 2015 find that the bee-eaters are sister to the rollers. Both studies find that the kingfishers are sister to the momots which are in turn sister to the todies. I've drawn the relevant bits of the cladograms below. Prum et al 2015 note the difference but don't discuss why. (See Prum Supplementary Information p.12). We could assume that Prum is correct as more recent - but it would be good to have an independent view on this - such as the AOU committee when they reorder the families in their list.
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I suggest changing the text to something like: "Opinions vary as to the bee-eater's nearest relatives: a large study published in 2008 found that bee-eaters are sister to all other Coraciiformes while a 2015 study found that the bee-eaters are sister to the rollers." or something similar in better English. I'm definitely not suggesting including a cladogram. - Aa77zz ( talk) 18:44, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
It is a bad idea to cite PhD theses as they are not (usually) published which means that they aren't generally available. This makes it nearly impossible to verify the information. ( WP:SOURCES states the information must be published). (Actually according to worldcat Oxford University has a copy of Fry's thesis).
How about instead citing Fry's article which was published in the same year as his thesis:
I can read the abstract but can't access the article. The wiki article states that were four species in Melittophagus. It is worth checking this number as Peters in 1945 has seven species (he lists eight but lafresnayii is now a ssp. of variegatus). Peters is available online:
- Aa77zz ( talk) 17:50, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
I've changed near-passerine to non-passerine in the first sentence of the lead. Although molecular phylogenetic studies have shown that bee-eaters and passerines both belong to the large clade Telluraves (land birds or core landbirds), they are not closely related. Bee-eaters are a member of the order Coraciiformes which is sister to the Piciformes (woodpeckers and relatives) in the clade Afroaves. Passeriformes are sister to the order Psittaciformes (parrots) in the clade Australaves. - Aa77zz ( talk) 11:43, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
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I'm shocked to see this word hasn't been used at all in this article. Not that I'm an apiologist or anything, I just like the word a lot! 212.69.35.53 ( talk) 15:44, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
"it eminently eats bees, wasps, hornets and other insects (but it does not like flies)." Bees, wasps, and hornets are all Hymenoptera, but flies aren't. What other insects does it eat? -phma
This article needs citations...I can't believe this bird captures the bees in mid-air. How does it not get owned by the bees...it must be outnumbered 20-to-1 or more. I shall do some research. Meowist 21:29, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
I see...they sound quite amazing. This article would be positively killer with a photo (or video!) of a bee-eater in action, by the way.
If you like bee eaters you might enjoy this bee eater vs giant honey bee paper [1] Sean.hoyland - talk 04:14, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
I think that the countries thing was partly overlinking (do people really not know what France is?) and partly a western-orientated viewpoint that tended to link eg Tajikistan, but not the US or France. All countries are equal... Jimfbleak ( talk) 06:43, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
The article currently contains the text: "Opinions vary as to the bee-eater's nearest relatives, although the kingfishers seem the most likely,[5]" where [5] is Fry in HBW 2001. Two large studies published since 2001 include Coraciiformes in their analyses: Hackett et al. 2008 and Prum et al 2015. Unfortunately they come to different conclusions. Hackett et al 2008 find that bee-eaters are sister to all other Coraciiformes while Prum et al 2015 find that the bee-eaters are sister to the rollers. Both studies find that the kingfishers are sister to the momots which are in turn sister to the todies. I've drawn the relevant bits of the cladograms below. Prum et al 2015 note the difference but don't discuss why. (See Prum Supplementary Information p.12). We could assume that Prum is correct as more recent - but it would be good to have an independent view on this - such as the AOU committee when they reorder the families in their list.
The references are:
Hackett et al 2008 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Prum et al 2015 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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I suggest changing the text to something like: "Opinions vary as to the bee-eater's nearest relatives: a large study published in 2008 found that bee-eaters are sister to all other Coraciiformes while a 2015 study found that the bee-eaters are sister to the rollers." or something similar in better English. I'm definitely not suggesting including a cladogram. - Aa77zz ( talk) 18:44, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
It is a bad idea to cite PhD theses as they are not (usually) published which means that they aren't generally available. This makes it nearly impossible to verify the information. ( WP:SOURCES states the information must be published). (Actually according to worldcat Oxford University has a copy of Fry's thesis).
How about instead citing Fry's article which was published in the same year as his thesis:
I can read the abstract but can't access the article. The wiki article states that were four species in Melittophagus. It is worth checking this number as Peters in 1945 has seven species (he lists eight but lafresnayii is now a ssp. of variegatus). Peters is available online:
- Aa77zz ( talk) 17:50, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
I've changed near-passerine to non-passerine in the first sentence of the lead. Although molecular phylogenetic studies have shown that bee-eaters and passerines both belong to the large clade Telluraves (land birds or core landbirds), they are not closely related. Bee-eaters are a member of the order Coraciiformes which is sister to the Piciformes (woodpeckers and relatives) in the clade Afroaves. Passeriformes are sister to the order Psittaciformes (parrots) in the clade Australaves. - Aa77zz ( talk) 11:43, 6 March 2021 (UTC)