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I propose that the transport section is split out into a separate 'Transport in Bedord' article as with Transport in Ipswich, Transport in Luton and Transport in Manchester etc to give space for additional information. PeterEastern ( talk) 12:39, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
I'm new at editing wikipedia and I was wondering about the crime section. It basically states that Bedford has a low crime rate, then goes on to list a few one off events. That seems a bit of an odd way of writing for an encyclopedia. Should it be re-edited to give some crime stats and more of an overview? Or am I missing something? BedsBookworm ( talk) 10:59, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
A number of national news sites have been reporting civil disorder in Bedford last night (involving a group of 150 people) following the England vs Italy football match in Euro 2012. Is this notable enough to appear on this article? the links are links to news articles about this subject. [1] [2] 213.121.4.45 ( talk) 14:28, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
I intend to propose changes to the section concerning the role of the Flemings and Huguenots in the development of the lace industry in Bedford. This is in conjunction with what will be related proposals to the Wikipedia Huguenot entry. Before making any proposals I am conducting a discussion of the topic in the Talk section of the Huguenot entry and suggest any editors of the Bedford section with an interest in the topic read and join the discussion there. It is hoped that this will allow resolution of any conflicts that might otherwise arise. Socialambulator ( talk) 22:51, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
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After extensive presentation of arguments on the Wikipedia Huguenot talk page, that page has now been modified, posing the question "Did the Huguenot refugees also contribute to the English lacemaking industry? " and making the argument that there is no evidence to support this. I therefore propose to modify the Bedford entry in concordance with this. Rather than repeat the discussion, my proposal is merely to simplify the entry. replacing:
"From the 1560s Bedford and much of Bedfordshire became one of the main centres of England's lace industry, with skilled lace-makers such as the Flemings[citation needed] and then later the Huguenots emigrating from Europe to settle in the town and surrounding county.[8] Lace continued to be an important industry in Bedford up until the early 20th century.[9]"
by:
"From the 16th century Bedford and much of Bedfordshire became one of the main centres of England's lace industry, and lace continued to be an important industry in Bedford until the early 20th century."
There are some other changes here:
(1) The dating "1560s" has been replaced by "16th century" and reference [8] dropped. Ref [8] provides no evidence for this date. Indeed it states (without evidence) that lace was probably made in the Eastern Counties before 1563, the latter date being when there was evidence that "25 recent widows, makers of bone lace, settled in Dover, Kent" (sic).
(2) Reference 9 has been removed, partly because it is incorrect, but partly because the correct url ( http://www.bedford.gov.uk/leisure_and_culture/museums_and_galleries/aragon_lacemakers.aspx) appears to emanate from a local group of lacemakers, retailing nonsense about Catherine of Aragon teaching local villagers lacemaking while imprisoned in Ampthill.
What is needed for this entry to be of value is an account of the historical documentation of lace in this region, something which I have in mind, but will require some work. Contributions from others are encouraged. Socialambulator ( talk) 21:44, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
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@ JMF — the changes I made to the above are based on NOMIS sources, that have mapped boundaries displayed. Kempston is not in the settlement of Bedford. The difference between the 87k and 106k populations is Kempston. The only controversial part of the 87k is including Biddenham, but that is specifically stated in the text. Please clarify your edit summary. I will consider what you say. Rupples ( talk) 16:24, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
Omitted to point out that Kempston has a town council. -- Rupples ( talk) 17:31, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
Note also that no Kempston areas/wards are listed in the Areas and wards of Bedford template at the bottom of the article. Rupples ( talk) 17:53, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
At the 2011 census, the population of the Bedford built-up area (including Biddenham and Kempston) was 106,940.You must think of the reader in Bedford, Ohio who wants to know the population of the other place. Maybe in 1823, Kempston was an independent village but not any more. Please do not give undue significance to artificial boundaries created purely for statistical purposes. (There is a wikipedia policy that says this formally somewhere, I will add when I find it.) -- 𝕁𝕄𝔽 ( talk) 20:12, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
I propose this text as being a more objective statement of the real-world size of Bedford:
Bedford is a market town and former county town of Bedfordshire, England. At the 2011 census, the population of the Bedford urban area (which includes Biddenham and Kempston) was 106,940, [1] making it the second-largest settlement in Bedfordshire, behind Luton. On a narrower definition (excluding Kemston but including Biddenham), the 2011 population of Bedford was 87,590, [2]
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We agreed above that the article needed to include some reference to the "Bedford BUASD" figure, since some sources quote it as the population of Bedford (others use the Borough-wide figure of 157,479 but I don't think we need to intercept every conceivable error).
So I have attached a footnote to the 106,940 (Bedford BUA) figure. I think that this is the best place for it because it immediately qualifies the figure without disrupting the flow of the lede.
A few immediate questions for discussion and consensus:
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I propose that the transport section is split out into a separate 'Transport in Bedord' article as with Transport in Ipswich, Transport in Luton and Transport in Manchester etc to give space for additional information. PeterEastern ( talk) 12:39, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
I'm new at editing wikipedia and I was wondering about the crime section. It basically states that Bedford has a low crime rate, then goes on to list a few one off events. That seems a bit of an odd way of writing for an encyclopedia. Should it be re-edited to give some crime stats and more of an overview? Or am I missing something? BedsBookworm ( talk) 10:59, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
A number of national news sites have been reporting civil disorder in Bedford last night (involving a group of 150 people) following the England vs Italy football match in Euro 2012. Is this notable enough to appear on this article? the links are links to news articles about this subject. [1] [2] 213.121.4.45 ( talk) 14:28, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
I intend to propose changes to the section concerning the role of the Flemings and Huguenots in the development of the lace industry in Bedford. This is in conjunction with what will be related proposals to the Wikipedia Huguenot entry. Before making any proposals I am conducting a discussion of the topic in the Talk section of the Huguenot entry and suggest any editors of the Bedford section with an interest in the topic read and join the discussion there. It is hoped that this will allow resolution of any conflicts that might otherwise arise. Socialambulator ( talk) 22:51, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
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After extensive presentation of arguments on the Wikipedia Huguenot talk page, that page has now been modified, posing the question "Did the Huguenot refugees also contribute to the English lacemaking industry? " and making the argument that there is no evidence to support this. I therefore propose to modify the Bedford entry in concordance with this. Rather than repeat the discussion, my proposal is merely to simplify the entry. replacing:
"From the 1560s Bedford and much of Bedfordshire became one of the main centres of England's lace industry, with skilled lace-makers such as the Flemings[citation needed] and then later the Huguenots emigrating from Europe to settle in the town and surrounding county.[8] Lace continued to be an important industry in Bedford up until the early 20th century.[9]"
by:
"From the 16th century Bedford and much of Bedfordshire became one of the main centres of England's lace industry, and lace continued to be an important industry in Bedford until the early 20th century."
There are some other changes here:
(1) The dating "1560s" has been replaced by "16th century" and reference [8] dropped. Ref [8] provides no evidence for this date. Indeed it states (without evidence) that lace was probably made in the Eastern Counties before 1563, the latter date being when there was evidence that "25 recent widows, makers of bone lace, settled in Dover, Kent" (sic).
(2) Reference 9 has been removed, partly because it is incorrect, but partly because the correct url ( http://www.bedford.gov.uk/leisure_and_culture/museums_and_galleries/aragon_lacemakers.aspx) appears to emanate from a local group of lacemakers, retailing nonsense about Catherine of Aragon teaching local villagers lacemaking while imprisoned in Ampthill.
What is needed for this entry to be of value is an account of the historical documentation of lace in this region, something which I have in mind, but will require some work. Contributions from others are encouraged. Socialambulator ( talk) 21:44, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
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@ JMF — the changes I made to the above are based on NOMIS sources, that have mapped boundaries displayed. Kempston is not in the settlement of Bedford. The difference between the 87k and 106k populations is Kempston. The only controversial part of the 87k is including Biddenham, but that is specifically stated in the text. Please clarify your edit summary. I will consider what you say. Rupples ( talk) 16:24, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
Omitted to point out that Kempston has a town council. -- Rupples ( talk) 17:31, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
Note also that no Kempston areas/wards are listed in the Areas and wards of Bedford template at the bottom of the article. Rupples ( talk) 17:53, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
At the 2011 census, the population of the Bedford built-up area (including Biddenham and Kempston) was 106,940.You must think of the reader in Bedford, Ohio who wants to know the population of the other place. Maybe in 1823, Kempston was an independent village but not any more. Please do not give undue significance to artificial boundaries created purely for statistical purposes. (There is a wikipedia policy that says this formally somewhere, I will add when I find it.) -- 𝕁𝕄𝔽 ( talk) 20:12, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
I propose this text as being a more objective statement of the real-world size of Bedford:
Bedford is a market town and former county town of Bedfordshire, England. At the 2011 census, the population of the Bedford urban area (which includes Biddenham and Kempston) was 106,940, [1] making it the second-largest settlement in Bedfordshire, behind Luton. On a narrower definition (excluding Kemston but including Biddenham), the 2011 population of Bedford was 87,590, [2]
Comment? -- 𝕁𝕄𝔽 ( talk) 16:12, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
coalescence planning
. --
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19:57, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
References
We agreed above that the article needed to include some reference to the "Bedford BUASD" figure, since some sources quote it as the population of Bedford (others use the Borough-wide figure of 157,479 but I don't think we need to intercept every conceivable error).
So I have attached a footnote to the 106,940 (Bedford BUA) figure. I think that this is the best place for it because it immediately qualifies the figure without disrupting the flow of the lede.
A few immediate questions for discussion and consensus:
Comments welcome. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 ( talk) 14:42, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
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