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The comment below is nonsense. The so called "Mickey Mouse" style was simply the way cartoon were being drawn in that period and has nothing to do with someone copying another character. Mickey Mouse just happened to be the character that did not modernize his design, while practically every other character was redesigned in the late 1930's. For example, Oswald the Rabbit and Bosko. Walt Disney was simply too conservative to modernize and people who grew up seeing the rather outdated design of Mickey Mouse then associate all the other characters as being copies of Mickey Mouse... which is pretty ridiculous.
"Beans' character design is one of the last of a series of thinly veiled copies of Walt Disney's Mickey Mouse character produced during the 1930s in reaction to Mickey's enormous popularity. (Ironically, the character design of Mickey himself is a thinly veiled copy of Felix the Cat, an enormously popular cartoon star of the 1920s.)"
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This is complete nonsense. The so called "Mickey Mouse" style was simply the way cartoon were being drawn in that period and has nothing to do with someone copying another character. Mickey Mouse just happened to be the character that did not modernize his design, while practically every other character was redesigned in the late 1930's. For example, Oswald the Rabbit and Bosko. Walt Disney was simply too conservative to modernize and people who grew up seeing the rather outdated design of Mickey Mouse then associate all the other characters as being copies of Mickey Mouse... which is pretty ridiculous.
This is a point of view statement that violates the Neutral Point of View policy. If you wish to state that Beans was not a copy of Mickey Mouse, please cite sources and keep the comments neutral. -- BrianSmithson 03:38, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
Is User:Jeff schiller disputing Oswald's popularity? Box office and merchandising figures (plus history) has proven that. Why is it ridiculous to assume that Oswald was so tremendously popular that he influenced character design at other studios (who were hoping to share in some of Oswald's success)? This is a well-researched and documented fact. Harman and Ising worked on the Oswald the Rabbitt series before making their own cartoon series in 1930.
Around 1935 the modernization of characters took place along with a reintroduction of animal characters. Oswald The Rabbit and Bosko were completely changed and all the 1920's style cartoons disapeer (the ones you call Mickey Mouse... lol) Walt Disney refused to change with the times so he was stuck with his 1920's mouse ... Today people try to change history and say everyone copies Disney ..this is sheer nonsense If everyone was copying him why didnt they continue? Obviously by the late 1930's, Disney was more popular than he had been in the early 1930's yet no one was copying him... Stuff and Nonsense :)
As stated in a comment on the article, I picked the dates from the filmography from http://www.bcdb.com/. Vitaphone, if you have sources, please let me know. Additionally, I just watched "Plane Dippy" right now and could only find one scene in which the corner of Beans the Cat's head appears briefly, though Miss Kitty and Oliver Owl do appear. I would classify this as at most a cameo and not "co-starring" with Porky Pig. Furthermore, BCDB puts this cartoon on January 4, 1936 several months before "Westward Whoa". Jeff schiller 03:33, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
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The comment below is nonsense. The so called "Mickey Mouse" style was simply the way cartoon were being drawn in that period and has nothing to do with someone copying another character. Mickey Mouse just happened to be the character that did not modernize his design, while practically every other character was redesigned in the late 1930's. For example, Oswald the Rabbit and Bosko. Walt Disney was simply too conservative to modernize and people who grew up seeing the rather outdated design of Mickey Mouse then associate all the other characters as being copies of Mickey Mouse... which is pretty ridiculous.
"Beans' character design is one of the last of a series of thinly veiled copies of Walt Disney's Mickey Mouse character produced during the 1930s in reaction to Mickey's enormous popularity. (Ironically, the character design of Mickey himself is a thinly veiled copy of Felix the Cat, an enormously popular cartoon star of the 1920s.)"
I removed this:
This is complete nonsense. The so called "Mickey Mouse" style was simply the way cartoon were being drawn in that period and has nothing to do with someone copying another character. Mickey Mouse just happened to be the character that did not modernize his design, while practically every other character was redesigned in the late 1930's. For example, Oswald the Rabbit and Bosko. Walt Disney was simply too conservative to modernize and people who grew up seeing the rather outdated design of Mickey Mouse then associate all the other characters as being copies of Mickey Mouse... which is pretty ridiculous.
This is a point of view statement that violates the Neutral Point of View policy. If you wish to state that Beans was not a copy of Mickey Mouse, please cite sources and keep the comments neutral. -- BrianSmithson 03:38, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
Is User:Jeff schiller disputing Oswald's popularity? Box office and merchandising figures (plus history) has proven that. Why is it ridiculous to assume that Oswald was so tremendously popular that he influenced character design at other studios (who were hoping to share in some of Oswald's success)? This is a well-researched and documented fact. Harman and Ising worked on the Oswald the Rabbitt series before making their own cartoon series in 1930.
Around 1935 the modernization of characters took place along with a reintroduction of animal characters. Oswald The Rabbit and Bosko were completely changed and all the 1920's style cartoons disapeer (the ones you call Mickey Mouse... lol) Walt Disney refused to change with the times so he was stuck with his 1920's mouse ... Today people try to change history and say everyone copies Disney ..this is sheer nonsense If everyone was copying him why didnt they continue? Obviously by the late 1930's, Disney was more popular than he had been in the early 1930's yet no one was copying him... Stuff and Nonsense :)
As stated in a comment on the article, I picked the dates from the filmography from http://www.bcdb.com/. Vitaphone, if you have sources, please let me know. Additionally, I just watched "Plane Dippy" right now and could only find one scene in which the corner of Beans the Cat's head appears briefly, though Miss Kitty and Oliver Owl do appear. I would classify this as at most a cameo and not "co-starring" with Porky Pig. Furthermore, BCDB puts this cartoon on January 4, 1936 several months before "Westward Whoa". Jeff schiller 03:33, 16 December 2005 (UTC)