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"PlayerUnknown's Battleground was created by Brendan Greene" No. He had the idea, but hired a programmer to create it.
The article says "the genre was defined and grew out from two principal titles through 2017 and 2018". This is not true. PUBG had a huge head start with millions of players and defined it well before Fortnite showed up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.199.56.232 ( talk) 19:33, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: page moved. ( non-admin closure) TonyBallioni ( talk) 01:46, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
Battle royale (gaming) → Battle royal (gaming) – There is a subtle difference between the term "battle royal" which generically describes any type of "last-man-standing competitions" (see battle royal) and "battle royale" which not the proper term but is often used as a proper noun to describe events that are based on the battle royal approach. (see [1]) While "battle royale" is an accepted variation of the term (due primarily to people taking works already known as Battle Royale and assuming that's the proper name of the formate), here it varies from the generic term that this game genre is based on. As such we should stay consistent with the proper english phrasing, though obviously we can allude to the alternate spelling and keep redirects for this. MASEM ( t) 20:19, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved to Battle royale game.Unanimous consensus.( non-admin closure) Winged Blades Godric 12:14, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
Battle royal (gaming) → Battle Royale (gaming) – While I was against this before, in the few months since, PUBG has gotten a huge amount of coverage and from that, discussions about this genre. It is now clear that Greene, in naming his original mods, took inspiration from the Battle Royale film/novel, and that name appears to be sticking more and more compared to the more "proper" battle royal. Note that this is for the title form "Battle Royale" and not "battle royale" - the use of the capital form reflects the origin of the film's influence on the generation. MASEM ( t) 16:33, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
I missed the entire second move request and while I'm glad everyone has found common ground with the spelling, I have to say I'm really disappointed that Wikipedia's processes failed to produce the correct result and the original nominator had to reverse his stance in order to make it happen. So for that I give credit where it's due. However, memes continue to be propagated as "OR, but..." when they are demonstrably false. "Royale" has long been preferred in gaming, as seen in PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale, or Pac-Man Battle Royale, which both preceded PUBG by years. It has nothing to do with slightly increased PUBG publicity in the past couple of weeks; sources supporting "royale" have been there since the article was created, I wrote the original stub from the sources I could find, as required by policy. It was not a matter of personal taste for me, I was working according to that. By contrast the sources for "royal" are either nonexistent, not pertinent to games, or just weak and unusable sources altogether. Somehow Wikipedia's processes managed to just defy and ignore all of its own rules (admittedly not the first time I've seen this, but the first for such a seemingly obvious matter). What if Masem had not reversed his stance? Would WP really still be talking about this topic using a spelling that no source uses and trying to push its own? Again, really disappointed to see how those rulings played out and truthfully I've lost a lot of faith in WP's ability to conduct itself objectively. Maybe it's just the declining interest in WP, losing the wisdom of crowds and devolving into an internet cabal. At any rate this has been a huge waste of time that could have been spent on materially improving the article which, I note, seems to have both gone nowhere in terms of information and still managed to descend into broken sentences since I last left it. People cared so much about a spelling variation yet when it came down to it they couldn't be bothered to maintain basic English grammar in the article. Is that the way of things now? I wash my hands of it. Ham Pastrami ( talk) 07:44, 29 July 2017 (UTC)
The battle royale mode predates the DayZ mod and was quite popular on Minecraft public servers from 2012 onwards. I've added some information about this to the article and included some YouTube links as carefully as possible - I'm aware YouTube is difficult to present as a reliable source, it's being used here primarily for date verification to support the book link. Secondary sources seem to be difficult to find despite the mode being one of the most popular in Minecraft; any help finding more sources for this would be appreciated. –
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This entire article is wrong. There were battle royale modes in games long before the current trend. MGS4 had a battle royale mode in 2008. Doom 3 had one in 2004. It's an old multiplayer game style with a new name, more emphasis, and lack of other game modes. It's often been referred to as "last man standing" or "free for all" in the past but it's all the same general gameplay. IRMacGuyver ( talk) 04:46, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
Here is a primary source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5khG4r7aeRo That video, posted on 20 March, 2012, literally is the original battle royale game in Minecraft, on a custom mod, made for that Minecraft server community (Mindcrack who were all Youtubers), with the full game uploaded on Youtube from different player perspectives in the following days. Support for this game mode was later added to the base game by Mojang. But that video, again from 20 March 2012, even includes discussion of the custom mod and who it created at the beginning. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.158.197.2 ( talk) 00:05, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
Before Battle Royale rules start appearing in 3D games (through mods for survival games), there also exists web-based games that uses the Battle Royale rules. For example, a text-based web game titled BR大逃杀 (the English name might be Battle Royale), which I'm not sure about the origin and can't remember much of it (since I didn't played it very much), seems to be released in early 2000s, and the rule is pretty similar to modern Battle Royale games that, players are separated into zones, which would gradually shut down at a set interval, and players have to gather resources and attack other players using an action command menu. The only difference between this game and modern Battle Royale games is, action is done using commands and is mostly luck-based rather than skill-based. I think this is something that worth some research, but I can't contribute much, since I only know the existence of such game, but isn't familiar with it. Wzx1996 ( talk) 19:56, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
I'd say the evidence for this is still weak. First of all, I removed the "Big Book of Minecraft" source because the page it referred to literally just described "Survival Games" without referring to Battle Royale, Hunger Games or anything related to the subject. The Yahoo source makes no mention of "Battle Royale" either, and the comprehensive GameSpot source doesn't specify which possible inspiration came first. Furthermore, it ascribes the key "shrinking area" feature's first appearance to the 2013 mod for DayZ made by Brendan Greene (PUBG's creator) and starts off from there. Some other sources credit this mod or DayZ itself with practically starting the genre. In any case, the Minecraft mods were clearly named after and derived from The Hunger Games film, while the DayZ mod and subsequent genre were derived from Battle Royale. There is no indication or reason to believe that Greene, the brain behind the genre, was inspired by these mods which were released at most a year before his game came out. If Minecraft is to be mentioned there, it should not be followed by "Subsequent appearances of the game mode include mods for the game DayZ, itself initially released as a mod for ARMA 2." These game modes are not the same, and "subsequent" implies they were part of the same trend when in reality they ran parallel to each other. Prinsgezinde ( talk) 13:56, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
There is no mention of two BR games which achieved at least a temporary popularity:
-- XT3000 ( talk) 15:08, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
I would suggest changing the portion of the wiki pertaining to Call of Duty: Black Ops 4 to say that the game is now released instead of it saying that it's planned. Rainman2477 ( talk) 14:33, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
Bomberman games had battle royale game mode since the 80s, it might be hard to accept battle royale games are older than we think, but bomberman already followed all the modern formula of battle royales. players are spread in the map. they have to gather resources and then battle till the last standing. it also had the map decrease in size as the time passes. to force players in the center to fight. as far as i know these things is what makes a game battle royale game have these characteristics. spread players. gather resouces and battle in a map that decreases in size. the only diferences is that bomber had limitation to 5 players. you cant pick where you will start. its 5 fixed locations 1 for each player. and resources are not finite when you pick then. you can use then untill you die and you lose by some means. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.75.36.102 ( talk) 13:26, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
We can probably add that Eurogamer source, but the actual material has to accurately reflect what it says and that it is a single author's impression. — HELLKNOWZ ▎ TALK 16:14, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
It sounds crazy but apparently a new battle royale game type game was found on a dendy console. its being worked on to be made playable since it was never finished but i feel that with this new info a section should be added to the battle royale game history section to include this. Link to the video documenting this game: [1]
ItsCadency ( talk) 22:32, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
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In aforementioned page it is stated that Deathmatch is a multiplayer game mode. Battle Royale is exactly that and the sole reason why it was so easy to implement in other games. It is a very common misconception that this is a genre, while obvious to anyone who reads the current article, that this is Last Man standing (or elimination) game mode with a bit of a larger scale that was simply inaccessible earlier because of tech. PUBG is not of a Battle Royale genre - it is a shooter with a battle royale game mode. Hence the claims of Brendan Greene of people violating his copyrights are unfounded and misguided - you can't copyright game mode the same way you can't copyright a note in the music scale. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.68.209.147 ( talk) 09:03, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
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Battle royale went from obscure mod to mainstream game phenomenon in less than two years. PlayerUnknown’s Battlegrounds’ massive popularity made the genre major news through 2017 as it sold more than 50 million copies combined on Xbox and PC as of June 2018. The free-to-play PUBG Mobile has put up even more impressive numbers, bringing the total player count for the various platformers to more than 400 million. 2409:4065:495:B9F4:1CBE:D366:6C33:6B ( talk) 18:07, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
I added a "citation needed" template to the sentence in the lead claiming that the term "battle royale" comes from a Japanese novel. As the separate Wikipedia article on "battle royale" explains, the term is much older and originated in the world of wrestling and boxing (physical, not virtual). To help make that connection, I added an internal link to the term "battle royale" early in the lead. Josef Horáček ( talk) 02:49, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
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ShootMania is an arena shooter by the devs of TrackMania and it had a battle royale gamemode already around 2013. That is pretty early and would be worth mentioning.
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"PlayerUnknown's Battleground was created by Brendan Greene" No. He had the idea, but hired a programmer to create it.
The article says "the genre was defined and grew out from two principal titles through 2017 and 2018". This is not true. PUBG had a huge head start with millions of players and defined it well before Fortnite showed up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.199.56.232 ( talk) 19:33, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: page moved. ( non-admin closure) TonyBallioni ( talk) 01:46, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
Battle royale (gaming) → Battle royal (gaming) – There is a subtle difference between the term "battle royal" which generically describes any type of "last-man-standing competitions" (see battle royal) and "battle royale" which not the proper term but is often used as a proper noun to describe events that are based on the battle royal approach. (see [1]) While "battle royale" is an accepted variation of the term (due primarily to people taking works already known as Battle Royale and assuming that's the proper name of the formate), here it varies from the generic term that this game genre is based on. As such we should stay consistent with the proper english phrasing, though obviously we can allude to the alternate spelling and keep redirects for this. MASEM ( t) 20:19, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved to Battle royale game.Unanimous consensus.( non-admin closure) Winged Blades Godric 12:14, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
Battle royal (gaming) → Battle Royale (gaming) – While I was against this before, in the few months since, PUBG has gotten a huge amount of coverage and from that, discussions about this genre. It is now clear that Greene, in naming his original mods, took inspiration from the Battle Royale film/novel, and that name appears to be sticking more and more compared to the more "proper" battle royal. Note that this is for the title form "Battle Royale" and not "battle royale" - the use of the capital form reflects the origin of the film's influence on the generation. MASEM ( t) 16:33, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
I missed the entire second move request and while I'm glad everyone has found common ground with the spelling, I have to say I'm really disappointed that Wikipedia's processes failed to produce the correct result and the original nominator had to reverse his stance in order to make it happen. So for that I give credit where it's due. However, memes continue to be propagated as "OR, but..." when they are demonstrably false. "Royale" has long been preferred in gaming, as seen in PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale, or Pac-Man Battle Royale, which both preceded PUBG by years. It has nothing to do with slightly increased PUBG publicity in the past couple of weeks; sources supporting "royale" have been there since the article was created, I wrote the original stub from the sources I could find, as required by policy. It was not a matter of personal taste for me, I was working according to that. By contrast the sources for "royal" are either nonexistent, not pertinent to games, or just weak and unusable sources altogether. Somehow Wikipedia's processes managed to just defy and ignore all of its own rules (admittedly not the first time I've seen this, but the first for such a seemingly obvious matter). What if Masem had not reversed his stance? Would WP really still be talking about this topic using a spelling that no source uses and trying to push its own? Again, really disappointed to see how those rulings played out and truthfully I've lost a lot of faith in WP's ability to conduct itself objectively. Maybe it's just the declining interest in WP, losing the wisdom of crowds and devolving into an internet cabal. At any rate this has been a huge waste of time that could have been spent on materially improving the article which, I note, seems to have both gone nowhere in terms of information and still managed to descend into broken sentences since I last left it. People cared so much about a spelling variation yet when it came down to it they couldn't be bothered to maintain basic English grammar in the article. Is that the way of things now? I wash my hands of it. Ham Pastrami ( talk) 07:44, 29 July 2017 (UTC)
The battle royale mode predates the DayZ mod and was quite popular on Minecraft public servers from 2012 onwards. I've added some information about this to the article and included some YouTube links as carefully as possible - I'm aware YouTube is difficult to present as a reliable source, it's being used here primarily for date verification to support the book link. Secondary sources seem to be difficult to find despite the mode being one of the most popular in Minecraft; any help finding more sources for this would be appreciated. –
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This entire article is wrong. There were battle royale modes in games long before the current trend. MGS4 had a battle royale mode in 2008. Doom 3 had one in 2004. It's an old multiplayer game style with a new name, more emphasis, and lack of other game modes. It's often been referred to as "last man standing" or "free for all" in the past but it's all the same general gameplay. IRMacGuyver ( talk) 04:46, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
Here is a primary source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5khG4r7aeRo That video, posted on 20 March, 2012, literally is the original battle royale game in Minecraft, on a custom mod, made for that Minecraft server community (Mindcrack who were all Youtubers), with the full game uploaded on Youtube from different player perspectives in the following days. Support for this game mode was later added to the base game by Mojang. But that video, again from 20 March 2012, even includes discussion of the custom mod and who it created at the beginning. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.158.197.2 ( talk) 00:05, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
Before Battle Royale rules start appearing in 3D games (through mods for survival games), there also exists web-based games that uses the Battle Royale rules. For example, a text-based web game titled BR大逃杀 (the English name might be Battle Royale), which I'm not sure about the origin and can't remember much of it (since I didn't played it very much), seems to be released in early 2000s, and the rule is pretty similar to modern Battle Royale games that, players are separated into zones, which would gradually shut down at a set interval, and players have to gather resources and attack other players using an action command menu. The only difference between this game and modern Battle Royale games is, action is done using commands and is mostly luck-based rather than skill-based. I think this is something that worth some research, but I can't contribute much, since I only know the existence of such game, but isn't familiar with it. Wzx1996 ( talk) 19:56, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
I'd say the evidence for this is still weak. First of all, I removed the "Big Book of Minecraft" source because the page it referred to literally just described "Survival Games" without referring to Battle Royale, Hunger Games or anything related to the subject. The Yahoo source makes no mention of "Battle Royale" either, and the comprehensive GameSpot source doesn't specify which possible inspiration came first. Furthermore, it ascribes the key "shrinking area" feature's first appearance to the 2013 mod for DayZ made by Brendan Greene (PUBG's creator) and starts off from there. Some other sources credit this mod or DayZ itself with practically starting the genre. In any case, the Minecraft mods were clearly named after and derived from The Hunger Games film, while the DayZ mod and subsequent genre were derived from Battle Royale. There is no indication or reason to believe that Greene, the brain behind the genre, was inspired by these mods which were released at most a year before his game came out. If Minecraft is to be mentioned there, it should not be followed by "Subsequent appearances of the game mode include mods for the game DayZ, itself initially released as a mod for ARMA 2." These game modes are not the same, and "subsequent" implies they were part of the same trend when in reality they ran parallel to each other. Prinsgezinde ( talk) 13:56, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
There is no mention of two BR games which achieved at least a temporary popularity:
-- XT3000 ( talk) 15:08, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
I would suggest changing the portion of the wiki pertaining to Call of Duty: Black Ops 4 to say that the game is now released instead of it saying that it's planned. Rainman2477 ( talk) 14:33, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
Bomberman games had battle royale game mode since the 80s, it might be hard to accept battle royale games are older than we think, but bomberman already followed all the modern formula of battle royales. players are spread in the map. they have to gather resources and then battle till the last standing. it also had the map decrease in size as the time passes. to force players in the center to fight. as far as i know these things is what makes a game battle royale game have these characteristics. spread players. gather resouces and battle in a map that decreases in size. the only diferences is that bomber had limitation to 5 players. you cant pick where you will start. its 5 fixed locations 1 for each player. and resources are not finite when you pick then. you can use then untill you die and you lose by some means. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.75.36.102 ( talk) 13:26, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
We can probably add that Eurogamer source, but the actual material has to accurately reflect what it says and that it is a single author's impression. — HELLKNOWZ ▎ TALK 16:14, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
It sounds crazy but apparently a new battle royale game type game was found on a dendy console. its being worked on to be made playable since it was never finished but i feel that with this new info a section should be added to the battle royale game history section to include this. Link to the video documenting this game: [1]
ItsCadency ( talk) 22:32, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
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In aforementioned page it is stated that Deathmatch is a multiplayer game mode. Battle Royale is exactly that and the sole reason why it was so easy to implement in other games. It is a very common misconception that this is a genre, while obvious to anyone who reads the current article, that this is Last Man standing (or elimination) game mode with a bit of a larger scale that was simply inaccessible earlier because of tech. PUBG is not of a Battle Royale genre - it is a shooter with a battle royale game mode. Hence the claims of Brendan Greene of people violating his copyrights are unfounded and misguided - you can't copyright game mode the same way you can't copyright a note in the music scale. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.68.209.147 ( talk) 09:03, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
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Battle royale went from obscure mod to mainstream game phenomenon in less than two years. PlayerUnknown’s Battlegrounds’ massive popularity made the genre major news through 2017 as it sold more than 50 million copies combined on Xbox and PC as of June 2018. The free-to-play PUBG Mobile has put up even more impressive numbers, bringing the total player count for the various platformers to more than 400 million. 2409:4065:495:B9F4:1CBE:D366:6C33:6B ( talk) 18:07, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
I added a "citation needed" template to the sentence in the lead claiming that the term "battle royale" comes from a Japanese novel. As the separate Wikipedia article on "battle royale" explains, the term is much older and originated in the world of wrestling and boxing (physical, not virtual). To help make that connection, I added an internal link to the term "battle royale" early in the lead. Josef Horáček ( talk) 02:49, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
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ShootMania is an arena shooter by the devs of TrackMania and it had a battle royale gamemode already around 2013. That is pretty early and would be worth mentioning.