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I'm surprised there's nothing here about the upstart of the WHA and the Nordiques raiding the roster of the Canadiens in the league's early years, taking several players, the WHA changing their uniform design to draw "sovereigntist" fans against the "fedaralist" image of the Canadiens during the 70s. Also the part about the breweries that is currently at the end should be at the part where it says Molson tried to block Quebec from entering the league. The television wars that followed should be included too. The rivalry was as much fought off the ice as on. Djob ( talk) 17:12, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
It didn't end, it just transmuted, and isn't NHL focused anymore. There's the Serie Quebec-Montreal that happens every year. 70.24.247.40 ( talk) 02:24, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved Mike Cline ( talk) 18:50, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
Battle of Quebec (ice hockey) →
Canadiens–Nordiques rivalry – The reason I have requested this page be moved is I think that the current name is not used all that much, at least outside of Quebec. Nuggets56 16:50, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
Here's some "real" data for both of you to see right here Since the Battle of Quebec wasn't used as the name for the rivalry in that article, then what is the current name for it? Nuggets56 19:43, 22 September 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nuggets56 ( talk • contribs)
You forgot to mention it says "so-called" when it mentions that. Next time, read the whole article instead of cherry-picking what helps your argument. Nuggets56 ( Nuggets56) —Preceding undated comment added 20:16, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
I understand why the article is fixated on the sports slant, but the Montreal-Quebec rivalry is much more than that. Everything from mayors to who has the best poutine is disputed between these two, and this ought to be included. I also agree with the other poster above, that the Nordiques rivalry didn't simply end when the team did; especially with talk that they might be making a return.
Someone left a request for such an article at Wikipedia:Canadian Wikipedians' notice board#Requests for articles with the following comments:
counterpart to Battle of Alberta and Battle of Ontario, frequently dealing with hockey (like the "Serie Quebec-Montreal", the Canadiens v Nordiques [and its Good Friday Massacre]) and the political rivalry between Montreal and Quebec City, Montreal and the provincial government
So maybe we could also consider changing its name to Battle of Quebec (culture) or something similar (being that Battle of Quebec already exists)? - Sweet Nightmares 16:09, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
I haven't done any thorough research on the topic, but there absolutely exists a dichotomy between the two, or even between Montreal and the rest of the province in general. Nordiques vs Habs. Lebeaume The Populist vs Rotating Corrupt Mayor of the Moment. Separatists vs Federalists. French vs English. Amalgamation of immigrants from rural Quebec vs Metropolis. Fiscal conservatives vs Liberals. Sometimes it is referred to as the "two solitudes," although that has a more specific meaning. - Sweet Nightmares 18:14, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
Then should we also change the titles of the Ontario and Alberta articles? Because sports and politics are not 100% separate, especially not here where such a large part of the Québécois identity is invested in hockey. Do you happen to have access to Le Devoir? I think this article would prove to be a good example of it, but I can't see the full article. I'd also like to point out that I am not the original one who made this suggestion, as I said, I was doing cleanup on Wikipedia:Canadian Wikipedians' notice board#Requests for articles and noticed that this article already existed. So I removed it from the list and posted the comments here for posterity. - Sweet Nightmares 22:06, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
For the record, my intent when starting this article was to have it be about the hockey rivalry, not about a larger Montreal–Quebec cultural rivalry. Some of that information would be useful as background, but a larger topic would be better explored in a different article, as a couple of other editors have already said. Giants2008 ( Talk) 23:06, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
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I'm surprised there's nothing here about the upstart of the WHA and the Nordiques raiding the roster of the Canadiens in the league's early years, taking several players, the WHA changing their uniform design to draw "sovereigntist" fans against the "fedaralist" image of the Canadiens during the 70s. Also the part about the breweries that is currently at the end should be at the part where it says Molson tried to block Quebec from entering the league. The television wars that followed should be included too. The rivalry was as much fought off the ice as on. Djob ( talk) 17:12, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
It didn't end, it just transmuted, and isn't NHL focused anymore. There's the Serie Quebec-Montreal that happens every year. 70.24.247.40 ( talk) 02:24, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved Mike Cline ( talk) 18:50, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
Battle of Quebec (ice hockey) →
Canadiens–Nordiques rivalry – The reason I have requested this page be moved is I think that the current name is not used all that much, at least outside of Quebec. Nuggets56 16:50, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
Here's some "real" data for both of you to see right here Since the Battle of Quebec wasn't used as the name for the rivalry in that article, then what is the current name for it? Nuggets56 19:43, 22 September 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nuggets56 ( talk • contribs)
You forgot to mention it says "so-called" when it mentions that. Next time, read the whole article instead of cherry-picking what helps your argument. Nuggets56 ( Nuggets56) —Preceding undated comment added 20:16, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
I understand why the article is fixated on the sports slant, but the Montreal-Quebec rivalry is much more than that. Everything from mayors to who has the best poutine is disputed between these two, and this ought to be included. I also agree with the other poster above, that the Nordiques rivalry didn't simply end when the team did; especially with talk that they might be making a return.
Someone left a request for such an article at Wikipedia:Canadian Wikipedians' notice board#Requests for articles with the following comments:
counterpart to Battle of Alberta and Battle of Ontario, frequently dealing with hockey (like the "Serie Quebec-Montreal", the Canadiens v Nordiques [and its Good Friday Massacre]) and the political rivalry between Montreal and Quebec City, Montreal and the provincial government
So maybe we could also consider changing its name to Battle of Quebec (culture) or something similar (being that Battle of Quebec already exists)? - Sweet Nightmares 16:09, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
I haven't done any thorough research on the topic, but there absolutely exists a dichotomy between the two, or even between Montreal and the rest of the province in general. Nordiques vs Habs. Lebeaume The Populist vs Rotating Corrupt Mayor of the Moment. Separatists vs Federalists. French vs English. Amalgamation of immigrants from rural Quebec vs Metropolis. Fiscal conservatives vs Liberals. Sometimes it is referred to as the "two solitudes," although that has a more specific meaning. - Sweet Nightmares 18:14, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
Then should we also change the titles of the Ontario and Alberta articles? Because sports and politics are not 100% separate, especially not here where such a large part of the Québécois identity is invested in hockey. Do you happen to have access to Le Devoir? I think this article would prove to be a good example of it, but I can't see the full article. I'd also like to point out that I am not the original one who made this suggestion, as I said, I was doing cleanup on Wikipedia:Canadian Wikipedians' notice board#Requests for articles and noticed that this article already existed. So I removed it from the list and posted the comments here for posterity. - Sweet Nightmares 22:06, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
For the record, my intent when starting this article was to have it be about the hockey rivalry, not about a larger Montreal–Quebec cultural rivalry. Some of that information would be useful as background, but a larger topic would be better explored in a different article, as a couple of other editors have already said. Giants2008 ( Talk) 23:06, 23 August 2014 (UTC)