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"Lay" is the present tense of the word. If you think that Kaliningrad currently is laying in ruins, I kindly invite you to visit it. Kuban Kazak changed it to "laid", but you changed it back to "lay". I removed that sentence altogether as it is gramatically incorrect and POV as well (it says 80% was destroyed already, so it is already said that 80% laid in ruins, not the whole city). And, indeed, as is mentioned in this article before and elsewhere, the Soviet aviation bombed the city as well. It is currently impossible to tell who destroyed what, but, of course, denying Soviet influence in defeating the Nazi Germany and claiming that it was just "Anglo-American aviation" that destroyed the city's defenses is ridiculous, especially as the major British air raids happened quite much before the battle, in 1944, while it was in 1945 when the battle happened and the Soviet aviation supported the land troops. Burann 15:46, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
A user I won't name has been trying to remove the mention of "Nazi Germany" from the infobox, replacing it with just "Germany". Well, "Nazi Germany" has its importance, because nowadays, Königsberg is not located in Germany (and is not even named Königsberg). For instance, if there was a "Battle of Danzig" in 1944 or 1945, the location would probably be listed as "Danzig, Nazi Germany", and not as "Gdansk, Poland", because there was no Poland and Gdansk was named Danzig. This is just my opinion of course, but if you decide to edit this mention, you're welcome to discuss it on the talk page first. Thanks for attention. Grafikm_fr 13:53, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
Google Maps has recently added high definition satellite photos of Kaliningrad to its collection. It would be nice to put a link to a satellite photo next to important locations described in the text, especially forts. Unfortunately I do not have a high quality map of the city handy so I cannot do it myself. Balcer 13:49, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
Königsberg was part of German East Prussia. The fact that Königsberg is no longer German or that its official name is no longer Königsberg is , IMO, irrelevant. Also, I see no reason for the word decisive that user Yev900 added.
This looks like a very fine article, but I have not added it to the GA list yet because a few minor things need to be corrected: the lead section is inadequate at the moment, as it does not even specify which war the battle was part of - it should summarise the article's content in two or three short paragraphs; and section headings do not follow the MoS - normal sentence capitalisation is used. Please add it back to the nominations list once these points have been addressed. Worldtraveller 15:18, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
Source of casualties? Vess
By the beginning of April the Third Panzer Army was holding the line on the Oder so when did the Third Panzer Army leave the Königsberg area or was it just part of the Third (A corps?) in Königsberg that remained after the Third withdrew westwards? -- Philip Baird Shearer 08:38, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
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The picture "german POW´s marching towards city center" was obviously not taken at Konigsberg, but at Torun. The city in the background is Torun with it´s significant St. Mary´s church. ( 83.176.135.60 ( talk) 19:47, 29 January 2008 (UTC))
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i've added the free french flag because the Free French Normandie-Niemen fought at konigsberg [1]. also Lt. Duroc accounts his battle there at konigsberg in director shoendoerffer his 1994 docudrama called Dien Bien Phu (worth watching btw). Cliché Online ( talk) 09:17, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
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The primary picture in this article contains a subtitle mentioning urban warfare... however, the image itself displays men in a trench. Shouldn't the link be to trench warfare?-- Luftschiffritter5 1 ( talk) 22:36, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
Since there were quite a number of Sieges/Battles for Konigsberg, shouldn't there be disambiguation page?
Searching for "Siege of Konigsberg" gives either this topic or the 1807 siege during the Napoleonic wars.
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The article is misleading in regards to the fate of the civilian German population remaining in Koenigsberg after the city fell to the Russians; it suggests that they were expelled after the surrender. In reality, the German population was not allowed to leave until October 1947 (by Stalin's oirder dated Oct11, 1947). Between 1945 and 1947, the German population was subjected to starvation, squalid living conditions and prosecution; about 50% of the remaining civilian population had perished when the expulsions began in October 1947. [1] [2] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.75.31.161 ( talk) 22:00, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
Casualties - I changed soviet casualties as the referenced source cites 3,700 soviet losses, not 60,000 as in the previous edition Truthrenderer ( talk) 15:26, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
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Okay, this page is finally created. To do:
"Lay" is the present tense of the word. If you think that Kaliningrad currently is laying in ruins, I kindly invite you to visit it. Kuban Kazak changed it to "laid", but you changed it back to "lay". I removed that sentence altogether as it is gramatically incorrect and POV as well (it says 80% was destroyed already, so it is already said that 80% laid in ruins, not the whole city). And, indeed, as is mentioned in this article before and elsewhere, the Soviet aviation bombed the city as well. It is currently impossible to tell who destroyed what, but, of course, denying Soviet influence in defeating the Nazi Germany and claiming that it was just "Anglo-American aviation" that destroyed the city's defenses is ridiculous, especially as the major British air raids happened quite much before the battle, in 1944, while it was in 1945 when the battle happened and the Soviet aviation supported the land troops. Burann 15:46, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
A user I won't name has been trying to remove the mention of "Nazi Germany" from the infobox, replacing it with just "Germany". Well, "Nazi Germany" has its importance, because nowadays, Königsberg is not located in Germany (and is not even named Königsberg). For instance, if there was a "Battle of Danzig" in 1944 or 1945, the location would probably be listed as "Danzig, Nazi Germany", and not as "Gdansk, Poland", because there was no Poland and Gdansk was named Danzig. This is just my opinion of course, but if you decide to edit this mention, you're welcome to discuss it on the talk page first. Thanks for attention. Grafikm_fr 13:53, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
Google Maps has recently added high definition satellite photos of Kaliningrad to its collection. It would be nice to put a link to a satellite photo next to important locations described in the text, especially forts. Unfortunately I do not have a high quality map of the city handy so I cannot do it myself. Balcer 13:49, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
Königsberg was part of German East Prussia. The fact that Königsberg is no longer German or that its official name is no longer Königsberg is , IMO, irrelevant. Also, I see no reason for the word decisive that user Yev900 added.
This looks like a very fine article, but I have not added it to the GA list yet because a few minor things need to be corrected: the lead section is inadequate at the moment, as it does not even specify which war the battle was part of - it should summarise the article's content in two or three short paragraphs; and section headings do not follow the MoS - normal sentence capitalisation is used. Please add it back to the nominations list once these points have been addressed. Worldtraveller 15:18, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
Source of casualties? Vess
By the beginning of April the Third Panzer Army was holding the line on the Oder so when did the Third Panzer Army leave the Königsberg area or was it just part of the Third (A corps?) in Königsberg that remained after the Third withdrew westwards? -- Philip Baird Shearer 08:38, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
_______________________________________________________________
The picture "german POW´s marching towards city center" was obviously not taken at Konigsberg, but at Torun. The city in the background is Torun with it´s significant St. Mary´s church. ( 83.176.135.60 ( talk) 19:47, 29 January 2008 (UTC))
People should familiarise themselves with the Wikipedia:Naming conventions (geographic names). Based on this policy, the geographic names need to use naming that reflects English usage, and use during historical period. -- mrg3105 ( comms) If you're not taking any flak, you're not over the target. 01:36, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
Ensured that the article is within project scope, tagged for task forces, and assessed for class. -- Rosiestep ( talk)
i've added the free french flag because the Free French Normandie-Niemen fought at konigsberg [1]. also Lt. Duroc accounts his battle there at konigsberg in director shoendoerffer his 1994 docudrama called Dien Bien Phu (worth watching btw). Cliché Online ( talk) 09:17, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
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The primary picture in this article contains a subtitle mentioning urban warfare... however, the image itself displays men in a trench. Shouldn't the link be to trench warfare?-- Luftschiffritter5 1 ( talk) 22:36, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
Since there were quite a number of Sieges/Battles for Konigsberg, shouldn't there be disambiguation page?
Searching for "Siege of Konigsberg" gives either this topic or the 1807 siege during the Napoleonic wars.
Searching for "Battle of Konigsberg" gives almost exclusively this topic.
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The article is misleading in regards to the fate of the civilian German population remaining in Koenigsberg after the city fell to the Russians; it suggests that they were expelled after the surrender. In reality, the German population was not allowed to leave until October 1947 (by Stalin's oirder dated Oct11, 1947). Between 1945 and 1947, the German population was subjected to starvation, squalid living conditions and prosecution; about 50% of the remaining civilian population had perished when the expulsions began in October 1947. [1] [2] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.75.31.161 ( talk) 22:00, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
Casualties - I changed soviet casualties as the referenced source cites 3,700 soviet losses, not 60,000 as in the previous edition Truthrenderer ( talk) 15:26, 2 May 2019 (UTC)