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Nothing on the link source indicates that the Kakuyids were present at Dandanaqan with any amount of troops. There is enough information to prove Abu Mansur Faramarz was at Dandanaqan, but I do not see anything in the source that indicates Faramarz was instrumental or had brought Kakuyid troops which influenced the outcome of the battle to allow "Kakuyid" in the victory result. I will therefore be removing Kakuyid from the belligerents and result sections of the infobox.
" The loss of Khorasan by the Ghaznavids after the battle of Dandāqān in 432/1041 meant that the Kakuyids faced a serious threat from the Saljuqs."
"After quelling the rebellion of another brother, who had sought the help of the Buyid amir of Fārs, Abū Kālīǰār ʿEmād-al-dīn, he had to face the menace of the Saljuqs. Toḡrïl had made Ray in northern Persia his capital, and Abū Manṣūr Farāmarz’s relations with him now assumed paramount importance. He had already had some contact with the Saljuqs during his father’s lifetime in circumstances which are rather mysterious; according to the Ghaznavid historian Bayhaqī, he was present with the Saljuq forces at Dandāqān." --
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19:40, 10 November 2013 (UTC)reply
Do you see the word aided in the source? I see the word "present". I do not see any mention of Kakuyid troops.
Faramurz was not king in 1040, his father
Muhammad ibn Rustam Dushmanziyar was king until Sept 1041. From the way it sounds in the Encyclopaedia of Islam;"His eldest son, Zahir al-Din Shams al-Muluk Abu Mansur Faramurz had already discerned the trend of events; he was present with Toghrll on the battlefield of Dandankan in 431/1040, when the victorious Saldjuk leader granted to him Rayy and Isfahan.", Faramurz was there for "personal" reasons. --
Kansas Bear (
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17:02, 11 November 2013 (UTC)reply
Halfway through the 2nd paragraph, "Toḡrïl had made Ray in northern Persia his capital, and Abū Manṣūr Farāmarz’s relations with him now assumed paramount importance. He had already had some contact with the Saljuqs during his father’s lifetime in circumstances which are rather mysterious; according to the Ghaznavid historian Bayhaqī, he was present with the Saljuq forces at Dandāqān."
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Nothing on the link source indicates that the Kakuyids were present at Dandanaqan with any amount of troops. There is enough information to prove Abu Mansur Faramarz was at Dandanaqan, but I do not see anything in the source that indicates Faramarz was instrumental or had brought Kakuyid troops which influenced the outcome of the battle to allow "Kakuyid" in the victory result. I will therefore be removing Kakuyid from the belligerents and result sections of the infobox.
" The loss of Khorasan by the Ghaznavids after the battle of Dandāqān in 432/1041 meant that the Kakuyids faced a serious threat from the Saljuqs."
"After quelling the rebellion of another brother, who had sought the help of the Buyid amir of Fārs, Abū Kālīǰār ʿEmād-al-dīn, he had to face the menace of the Saljuqs. Toḡrïl had made Ray in northern Persia his capital, and Abū Manṣūr Farāmarz’s relations with him now assumed paramount importance. He had already had some contact with the Saljuqs during his father’s lifetime in circumstances which are rather mysterious; according to the Ghaznavid historian Bayhaqī, he was present with the Saljuq forces at Dandāqān." --
Kansas Bear (
talk)
19:40, 10 November 2013 (UTC)reply
Do you see the word aided in the source? I see the word "present". I do not see any mention of Kakuyid troops.
Faramurz was not king in 1040, his father
Muhammad ibn Rustam Dushmanziyar was king until Sept 1041. From the way it sounds in the Encyclopaedia of Islam;"His eldest son, Zahir al-Din Shams al-Muluk Abu Mansur Faramurz had already discerned the trend of events; he was present with Toghrll on the battlefield of Dandankan in 431/1040, when the victorious Saldjuk leader granted to him Rayy and Isfahan.", Faramurz was there for "personal" reasons. --
Kansas Bear (
talk)
17:02, 11 November 2013 (UTC)reply
Halfway through the 2nd paragraph, "Toḡrïl had made Ray in northern Persia his capital, and Abū Manṣūr Farāmarz’s relations with him now assumed paramount importance. He had already had some contact with the Saljuqs during his father’s lifetime in circumstances which are rather mysterious; according to the Ghaznavid historian Bayhaqī, he was present with the Saljuq forces at Dandāqān."