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I think the booing of Jim Richards and Mark Skaife had more to do with Dick Johnson seeming to win the race but not being awarded it after they brought out the black flag because the conditions got too dangerous. I'm sure Nissan wasn't the most popular make of car there, but the fact they won the race after running into a wall was the bigger factor. Shane King 05:04, Nov 14, 2004 (UTC)
Aye, indeed it was a crash not merely a spin. Will amend Tartanperil 06:01, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
I vividly remember watching the race at the time and the booing was 100% about the fact that a 'non-Aussie' car had won. The 'anti-Jap' sentiment had hit a low point especially as Godzilla had won the previous year and had been wiping the floor with the Aussie product and hitting the egos of the Aussie fans. You can bet that the same reaction would NEVER have happened had a Ford or Holden won in the same circumstances on that day. Gut Feeling 17:30, 15 Oct 2008
I recall watching it too, from the demeanour of the crowd and the reaction they gave the previous speakers you could tell that they were angry about the country of origin of the Skyline (how times have changed with young people today). When Richards came forward to speak, you could see that he had enough of this nonsense and wasn't going to pretend that the crowd was notrude. It was a brilliant counter attack. There were no Nissan flags in the crowd at any point during the day. These people were Aussie car fans, of course they were going to pay out on any Japanese car driver. The fact that a local lost -- perhaps unfairly -- only antagonised them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mercedes350slc ( talk • contribs) 11:27, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
Where might we be able to dig up the history of the changing names/sponsors of the race? Back in the 1970's and 1980's it was the James Hardie 1000. Then in the 1990's and 2000's it changed quite a few times. For a few years it was the Toohies 1000. Despite the changes, everyone appears to simply use the generic name of Bathurst 1000. -- Imroy 23:04, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)
SteveBaker asks: You have a link to the Mini entry - I've recently split that into a page relating to the original 'classic' Mini and the new BMW MINI. I can't tell from the context of this article whether I should change this page to point to my new page. Help!
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that Bob Holden and Rauno Aaltonen were at the wheel of that Mini
SouthPacific2 adds/wonders: With regards to the change from group A (circa 1990), if I remember correctly Holden didn't sell enough vp commodores (i.e. >500) to meet the group A reqiurement. Also I believe the Nissan GTRs and Ford sierras under the group A rules of the period were allowed a higher maximum rpm and a lower minimum weight (even with turbocharging) due to their smaller fuel capacities, when compared to that of the 5.0 litre V8s (but this could also be from the commodores racing in group C and I am having trouble finding the regulations and the exact catagory of the individual cars of the period). Hence the manufacturers/market/media reacted the way they did. I believe the end of group A had been decided before the 1992 race, as I'm pretty sure this was the debut return of the V8 Falcon (EB in this case) used afterwards. 09 April 2007.
I was under the impression that they were racing the slightly newer BH falcons this year. Can anyone verify this?
This section seems like someone having a bit of a rant at AVESCO/V8 supercar rather than anything encloyedic. The prose needs cleaning up and I don't remember the split happening exactaly like that - I might be wrong, but the language can be made much more neutral here. I am planning to expand this article in the near future and I will look in to this, but for now I've added the apporiate tags. Teiresias84 08:40, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
Peter Mckay summarised the split quite well in an old Wheels. The role of Mike Raymond (Ch 7 race guru) is crucial here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mercedes350slc ( talk • contribs) 11:30, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
This section is inaccurate. There have been eight driver deaths, not four. http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/query.php?db=ct&q=circuit_a&n=160,161 Falcadore 16:00, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
Why is there nothing here on the Group C era at Bathurst
There should be a lot more in this section. Firstly it didnnt go straight from series production to group c, there was improved series production in between. Also, the section conetrates almost 100% on holden and ford, and while there is a brief mention of moffats rx-7 and bartletts camaro, what about richards and his jps BMW? what about bond in his alfas. There were many other vehicles and many different classes within each race, and these should be, they are missing from the other sections as well, and while I am sure the pages for individual races list the classes and winners, there should be more mention of them on this page Theloneoutsider ( talk) 00:22, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
according to this it was because of irregular body work, but I read somewhere (wish i could remember the source) that it was actually a fuel irregularity. the overflow vessles actually had some higher octane fule in them than the regs defined, and when it came to refueling this fuel would go into the tank as well. i will try and find a source for you. Lynx Raven Raide 04:21, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
Can you please provide these links in the appropriate places please. -- Falcadore 08:58, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
How is it that Peter Brock won the 1972 race with a time of 6h 0m 99.1s (given that there are only 60 seconds in a minute)? http://www.uniquecarsandparts.com.au/bathurst_1972.htm has the same time. -- Dlee3178 ( talk) 05:05, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
There is some redundancy here with the names of the races and the names of the winners listed twice. I propose to rationalise this by talking the race names out of the table and cutting the list of winning drivers to only those who have scored multiple wins. Announcing beforehand in case of objections. -- Falcadore 08:09, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
There's a few things that should be pointed out. People were aware quite early in 1967 that the Mini Coopers were going to struggle against the new V8 Falcons in 1967 so calling the Minis favourites is quite wide of the mark, and indeed the lasting story of the race should be how the V8 Falcons almost lost the race to the Alfa Romeos, indeed at one point Paul Hawkins was looking good to take the win until a stone holed his radiator. -- Falcadore 08:36, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
The newly re-written Group A section is very pro-Holden, and not really reflective of the state of affairs of the time. -- Falcadore 09:54, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Forgive me if I am incorrect, but was it not Jim's son - Steven Richards - who hit the kangaroo in 2004. I seem to remember that Jim was racing for the HRT team at the time, where it was a Castrol car that hit the roo. Other web sources seem to be confused as well... 203.113.232.179 ( talk) 03:22, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
The Phillip Island event was most certainly not cancelled. The Organisers that were associated with Armstrong-York simply shifted from the Phillip Island circuit to Bathurst. The Australian Grand Prix did not cease to be the Australian Grand Prix by moving from Adelaide to Melbourne. If anything the race was cancelled after 1999 Bathurst 500 after the split in two which occurred in 1997. -- Falcadore ( talk) 00:33, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
I've noticed that the term Great Race is used consistently throughout the article instead of Bathurst 1000. The introduction of the article states It is known among fans and broadcasters as "The Great Race" but Wikipedia is not a fan or broadcaster. I think it's correct for the article to point out that the race has a nick-name but I don't think it's encyclopaedic to adopt it here because it makes the article sound informal (see WP:TONE).
Does anyone have any thoughts on this? Fruv ( talk) 05:54, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
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To me this section seems largely redundant in that it is a repeat of much of the information already contained on the page. Plus it is open to wide interpretation - for example, currently Bob Jane, Craig Lowndes, John Goss, Alan Grice (to name a few) don't even rate a mention - yet they are all very famous as a result of their Bathurst wins. And Jacky Ickx, also, ok so he isn't famous for winning Bathurst, with 6 Le Mans wins and several GP wins, he is arguably the most famous driver ever to win. Just my 2c. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Warnester ( talk • contribs) 08:12, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
You titled the section race records, and the Skyline 6:19 IS the actual race record. Maybe you should have titled it something else. Murphy's lap was one of the greatest achievements in the race, but qualifying lap records are purely unofficial, essentially a stat created for TV. It does not count for anything and is not recorded in race programs or similar. The official lap record is Whincup's and deserves recognition no matter how sentimental people might get over Murphy's lap. Let's divorce the emotion and state things as they are. This is a serious article, not fanboy cruft. -- Falcadore ( talk) 05:44, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
You boys can fight it out, but fwiw, the Mt Panorama Track official website - http://www.mount-panorama.com/history-a-facts/4-facts/12-circuit-facts says this - "V8 Lap Record: 2.06.89 (Greg Murphy, 2003)". Regards Warnester
There is a difference between an outright lap record and an official lap record. Lap records are ALWAYS race laps. EVERY form of motorsport restricts lap records to RACE laps, not qualifying, not practice, not shootout.. Organistations will sometimes also keep an outright lap record, which will include any practice or qualifying laps, however, they are not part of official timing results of events organisation or classses. The bathurst lap record was, for many years held by formula 5000 yet this was largely ignored by the majority, despite it being a record to stand for many years. And, it is still the lap record for the old track layout (pre chase) The lap record of baqthurst does not belong to Greg Murphy, however, it could be noted that while this is the lap record, the fastest ever lap of the bathurst track occured during qualifying for the 2003 race when greg murphy completed a lap of xx:xx:xx during qualifying on the friday/saturday This would keep the integrity of the lap record in place and also recognise the fastest time ever recorded. Just my two cents. Theloneoutsider ( talk) 22:42, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
The circuit map ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mount_Panorama_street_racing_circuit_in_Australia.svg) is incorrect in several places. See the image discussion page for specifics, also http://www.mount-panorama.com/history-a-facts/4-facts/12-circuit-facts. 59.167.51.230 ( talk) 09:35, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
What is going on with this circuit map? It is still wrong. It has Griffins Bend marked as "Quarry Turn" and Pit Straight marked as "Main Straight". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.92.222.26 ( talk) 08:40, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
Quarry Turn is not actually wrong, it's an older name for the same corner. -- Falcadore ( talk) 10:48, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
The Dipper is about 4 corners away from where it really is. 121.45.11.192 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 09:38, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
From the Early Years section.. " This led to the birth of the widely accepted adage stating that "there is no substitute for cubic inches on the Mountain", which would become synonymous and change the face of racing at Bathurst forever." I was always under the impression this phrase referred to drag racing rather than being attributed to the race. A source for the origin of this would be nice to support the claim or a rewrite to remove the implication that the phrase was borne of the race.
also in the Early Years section.... " This proved to be a great marketing opportunity to increase sales and market share in the local market, and so the famous "Win on Sunday, Sell on Monday" concept was born." Again, its my understanding this came from a different source, the US Stock car racing scene It is difficult to believe a market as small as Australia would lead toa world wide uptake of this phrase in such a short time.
This is then followed by "This Series Production battleground between the "Big Three" was fought at Bathurst, and soon spawned the introduction and development of Australia's most famous muscle cars which became affectingly known as "Bathurst specials". These included Ford's Falcon GT and later GT-HO, Holden's Monaro and Torana, and Chrysler’s Pacer and Charger models" While the GT and later GTHO were bathurst models, it was the GTS (for Monaro), XU-1 (for the torana) and the R/T (for charger/pacer) I harldy think a 4 cyl hb torana would count as a "Bathurst Special"
Later on "after the Phase One's special tyres failed under the Falcon's heavy weight and great V8 power." What was "special" about the tyres? I vaguely recall they were not the standard cross ply tyres and that they introduced a tyre for the phase one without properly testing it, which is why they faield, but just saying they were "special" implies they were nto standard equipment, which they needed to be to run in the race.
"Brock and Bond were drivers for the Holden Dealer Team (HDT), which had been formed earlier in the year to take the fight to the factory Ford Special Vehicles division " Ford Special Vehicles is a non entity, in that it never actually existed. There was Ford Australia, or there was the Ford Works Team.
"It also signaled the first Bathurst victory for a six-cylinder engined car, which was an achievement that would not be repeated again until the maiden Bathurst win of the Nissan Skyline GT-R ‘Godzilla’ much later in 1991." Well the article is about the race, not just the track, and as the race had been won by a 6 cyl vehicle before, then this should not be considered such an important fact.
"Finally, it also began the Torana legend which would enable this innovative and unique muscle car to become one of Australia’s most successful touring cars ever" I would argue that the beginning of the Torana legend was the LC based XU-1 rather than the LJ variant. While the LJ started the winning culture at bathurst, the LC variant had been successful at other venues and in other forms of motor sport.
Is there an article to reference the "supercar scare" that can be linked? It would be nice to be able to iniform a neutral reader just what that meant. I know its not part of the actual race, and so exlanation should nto be placed here, but linking to a relevant page would be nice.
Theloneoutsider ( talk) 00:05, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
Those saying the 1973 Falcon GTO Fase III was the fastest 4 door car in the world, forgot about some of the other fast cars in the WORLD. Mer Benz 300 6.9 at the time was also a fast car. I owned a GTS 350 and then a GTHO III and I drove the Mer Benz - I vote for the Mer Benz 300.-- 58.179.50.151 ( talk) 22:21, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
I've reverted recent changes to the Group A section for the following reasons. The Jaguar XJS Group A homologation expired in 1986. They were no longer class legal after that so comparing them to the Nissan GT-R is a nonsense. Similarly the Starion was only raced by back marking teams in 1990 and similarly the BMW M3 had disappeared from competitive teams as well during the GT-R's first season, not reappearing until in force until '91. Similarly when the BMW did re-appear it was with a new car, the M3 Evolution with the 2.5 engine, a new for 1990 car so stating the GT-R was racing against 1987 cars was inaccurate, especially as the BMW was in fact newer than the Nissan.
Also the primary point of controversery of the 1992 race was how it finished. Issues of CAMS restructuring of the ATCC regs belong in the ATCC article, not here. Vehicle regulations complaints were all over and done with months before Bathurst came around. The line about Dick Johnson also is not appropriate for Wikipedia's encyclopic tone. Refer WP:TONE
Also FISA did not develop the 2.0 litre touring car regulations later termed Super Touring Cars. They were developed locally by British Touring Car Championship organisers TOCA and later copied by the FIA (not FISA) and by other CAMS equivalent bodies in Europe like ADAC for several championships across Europe, although the Touring Car World Cup was the only one the FIA ran themselves. -- Falcadore ( talk) 06:29, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
to use the infobox for a motorsport event that shows 1 line, couldn't we use a better infobox that shows more ? Dave Rave ( talk) 07:35, 8 October 2016 (UTC)
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By law, the name of this article should be 'Australia 1000'. The last time the 'Bathurst 1000' name was officially used was for the 1999 Bathurst 500 for the Australian Super Touring Championship. Whilst commercially known as the 'Bathurst 1000' since 2006, V8 Supercars Australia Pty Ltd (formerly known as AVESCO) cannot legally register the event as the 'Bathurst 1000', and to this day is recognised in all legal documents as the 'Australia 1000'. Here is the name's entry at the Australian IP web database. Not solely the logo of the period, as the event name is key here and that trademark (owned by Bathurst Regional Council and used under licence by V8 Supercars Australia Pty Ltd) runs until 2027. The trademark for "Bathurst 1000" is owned by two parties, one of which no longer exists (and subsequently retired the trademark) and the other is Brisbane TV Limited, better known as Channel Seven Queensland. This trademark was last renewed on 15 December 2016, and is therefore still active and the name 'Australia 1000' stands. Be aware that wilfully breaking trademark law in Australia can result in a fine of anywhere between AU$30,000 and AU$150,000; and this legislation includes false advertising, which this case can be classified as. 2001:8003:3C5B:1700:BDA5:CDEA:46B1:E75B ( talk) 11:23, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
It appears the very precise race distance of 1000.293km has been calculated by 6.213km lap distance multiplied by 161 laps. If we want to specify the race distance to this level of accuracy, the specifics of the start & finish lines need to be taken into account. Refer to Mount_Panorama_Circuit#The_Pit_Straight
"The Pit Straight of Mount Panorama, which is adjacent to the pit complex, has a different start line and finish line. For the standing start only, the start line is 143m closer to Hell Corner so that traffic does not go too far around Murray's Corner when the start grid is formed. The finish line is positioned such that all of the pit bays are located after it."
Therefor the precise race distance is 1000.150km. But do we really need to be so precise in the first place? 203.149.68.43 ( talk) 05:14, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
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There are a few "classes" of race, as far as i can tell (correct me if i'm wrong)
I propose, for now, just changing all article titles that aren't currently "<Year> Bathurst 1000" from 2000 to today. The others can stay as they are.
I'm not sure what the case would be before 2000, but at least since then, the common name hasn't been anything other that Bathurst 1000. MarkiPoli ( talk) 17:48, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
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I think the booing of Jim Richards and Mark Skaife had more to do with Dick Johnson seeming to win the race but not being awarded it after they brought out the black flag because the conditions got too dangerous. I'm sure Nissan wasn't the most popular make of car there, but the fact they won the race after running into a wall was the bigger factor. Shane King 05:04, Nov 14, 2004 (UTC)
Aye, indeed it was a crash not merely a spin. Will amend Tartanperil 06:01, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
I vividly remember watching the race at the time and the booing was 100% about the fact that a 'non-Aussie' car had won. The 'anti-Jap' sentiment had hit a low point especially as Godzilla had won the previous year and had been wiping the floor with the Aussie product and hitting the egos of the Aussie fans. You can bet that the same reaction would NEVER have happened had a Ford or Holden won in the same circumstances on that day. Gut Feeling 17:30, 15 Oct 2008
I recall watching it too, from the demeanour of the crowd and the reaction they gave the previous speakers you could tell that they were angry about the country of origin of the Skyline (how times have changed with young people today). When Richards came forward to speak, you could see that he had enough of this nonsense and wasn't going to pretend that the crowd was notrude. It was a brilliant counter attack. There were no Nissan flags in the crowd at any point during the day. These people were Aussie car fans, of course they were going to pay out on any Japanese car driver. The fact that a local lost -- perhaps unfairly -- only antagonised them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mercedes350slc ( talk • contribs) 11:27, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
Where might we be able to dig up the history of the changing names/sponsors of the race? Back in the 1970's and 1980's it was the James Hardie 1000. Then in the 1990's and 2000's it changed quite a few times. For a few years it was the Toohies 1000. Despite the changes, everyone appears to simply use the generic name of Bathurst 1000. -- Imroy 23:04, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)
SteveBaker asks: You have a link to the Mini entry - I've recently split that into a page relating to the original 'classic' Mini and the new BMW MINI. I can't tell from the context of this article whether I should change this page to point to my new page. Help!
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that Bob Holden and Rauno Aaltonen were at the wheel of that Mini
SouthPacific2 adds/wonders: With regards to the change from group A (circa 1990), if I remember correctly Holden didn't sell enough vp commodores (i.e. >500) to meet the group A reqiurement. Also I believe the Nissan GTRs and Ford sierras under the group A rules of the period were allowed a higher maximum rpm and a lower minimum weight (even with turbocharging) due to their smaller fuel capacities, when compared to that of the 5.0 litre V8s (but this could also be from the commodores racing in group C and I am having trouble finding the regulations and the exact catagory of the individual cars of the period). Hence the manufacturers/market/media reacted the way they did. I believe the end of group A had been decided before the 1992 race, as I'm pretty sure this was the debut return of the V8 Falcon (EB in this case) used afterwards. 09 April 2007.
I was under the impression that they were racing the slightly newer BH falcons this year. Can anyone verify this?
This section seems like someone having a bit of a rant at AVESCO/V8 supercar rather than anything encloyedic. The prose needs cleaning up and I don't remember the split happening exactaly like that - I might be wrong, but the language can be made much more neutral here. I am planning to expand this article in the near future and I will look in to this, but for now I've added the apporiate tags. Teiresias84 08:40, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
Peter Mckay summarised the split quite well in an old Wheels. The role of Mike Raymond (Ch 7 race guru) is crucial here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mercedes350slc ( talk • contribs) 11:30, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
This section is inaccurate. There have been eight driver deaths, not four. http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/query.php?db=ct&q=circuit_a&n=160,161 Falcadore 16:00, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
Why is there nothing here on the Group C era at Bathurst
There should be a lot more in this section. Firstly it didnnt go straight from series production to group c, there was improved series production in between. Also, the section conetrates almost 100% on holden and ford, and while there is a brief mention of moffats rx-7 and bartletts camaro, what about richards and his jps BMW? what about bond in his alfas. There were many other vehicles and many different classes within each race, and these should be, they are missing from the other sections as well, and while I am sure the pages for individual races list the classes and winners, there should be more mention of them on this page Theloneoutsider ( talk) 00:22, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
according to this it was because of irregular body work, but I read somewhere (wish i could remember the source) that it was actually a fuel irregularity. the overflow vessles actually had some higher octane fule in them than the regs defined, and when it came to refueling this fuel would go into the tank as well. i will try and find a source for you. Lynx Raven Raide 04:21, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
Can you please provide these links in the appropriate places please. -- Falcadore 08:58, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
How is it that Peter Brock won the 1972 race with a time of 6h 0m 99.1s (given that there are only 60 seconds in a minute)? http://www.uniquecarsandparts.com.au/bathurst_1972.htm has the same time. -- Dlee3178 ( talk) 05:05, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
There is some redundancy here with the names of the races and the names of the winners listed twice. I propose to rationalise this by talking the race names out of the table and cutting the list of winning drivers to only those who have scored multiple wins. Announcing beforehand in case of objections. -- Falcadore 08:09, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
There's a few things that should be pointed out. People were aware quite early in 1967 that the Mini Coopers were going to struggle against the new V8 Falcons in 1967 so calling the Minis favourites is quite wide of the mark, and indeed the lasting story of the race should be how the V8 Falcons almost lost the race to the Alfa Romeos, indeed at one point Paul Hawkins was looking good to take the win until a stone holed his radiator. -- Falcadore 08:36, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
The newly re-written Group A section is very pro-Holden, and not really reflective of the state of affairs of the time. -- Falcadore 09:54, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Forgive me if I am incorrect, but was it not Jim's son - Steven Richards - who hit the kangaroo in 2004. I seem to remember that Jim was racing for the HRT team at the time, where it was a Castrol car that hit the roo. Other web sources seem to be confused as well... 203.113.232.179 ( talk) 03:22, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
The Phillip Island event was most certainly not cancelled. The Organisers that were associated with Armstrong-York simply shifted from the Phillip Island circuit to Bathurst. The Australian Grand Prix did not cease to be the Australian Grand Prix by moving from Adelaide to Melbourne. If anything the race was cancelled after 1999 Bathurst 500 after the split in two which occurred in 1997. -- Falcadore ( talk) 00:33, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
I've noticed that the term Great Race is used consistently throughout the article instead of Bathurst 1000. The introduction of the article states It is known among fans and broadcasters as "The Great Race" but Wikipedia is not a fan or broadcaster. I think it's correct for the article to point out that the race has a nick-name but I don't think it's encyclopaedic to adopt it here because it makes the article sound informal (see WP:TONE).
Does anyone have any thoughts on this? Fruv ( talk) 05:54, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
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I'm not doing anything, but I see there is no POV dispute listed in the discussion page, though there is current commentary. I would suggest that if that is the case and you all have consensus, that you remove the tag. Many tags were placed wrongly or so long ago that they have no meaning anymore. It's up to you, but be bold..... Jjdon ( talk) 19:56, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
To me this section seems largely redundant in that it is a repeat of much of the information already contained on the page. Plus it is open to wide interpretation - for example, currently Bob Jane, Craig Lowndes, John Goss, Alan Grice (to name a few) don't even rate a mention - yet they are all very famous as a result of their Bathurst wins. And Jacky Ickx, also, ok so he isn't famous for winning Bathurst, with 6 Le Mans wins and several GP wins, he is arguably the most famous driver ever to win. Just my 2c. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Warnester ( talk • contribs) 08:12, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
You titled the section race records, and the Skyline 6:19 IS the actual race record. Maybe you should have titled it something else. Murphy's lap was one of the greatest achievements in the race, but qualifying lap records are purely unofficial, essentially a stat created for TV. It does not count for anything and is not recorded in race programs or similar. The official lap record is Whincup's and deserves recognition no matter how sentimental people might get over Murphy's lap. Let's divorce the emotion and state things as they are. This is a serious article, not fanboy cruft. -- Falcadore ( talk) 05:44, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
You boys can fight it out, but fwiw, the Mt Panorama Track official website - http://www.mount-panorama.com/history-a-facts/4-facts/12-circuit-facts says this - "V8 Lap Record: 2.06.89 (Greg Murphy, 2003)". Regards Warnester
There is a difference between an outright lap record and an official lap record. Lap records are ALWAYS race laps. EVERY form of motorsport restricts lap records to RACE laps, not qualifying, not practice, not shootout.. Organistations will sometimes also keep an outright lap record, which will include any practice or qualifying laps, however, they are not part of official timing results of events organisation or classses. The bathurst lap record was, for many years held by formula 5000 yet this was largely ignored by the majority, despite it being a record to stand for many years. And, it is still the lap record for the old track layout (pre chase) The lap record of baqthurst does not belong to Greg Murphy, however, it could be noted that while this is the lap record, the fastest ever lap of the bathurst track occured during qualifying for the 2003 race when greg murphy completed a lap of xx:xx:xx during qualifying on the friday/saturday This would keep the integrity of the lap record in place and also recognise the fastest time ever recorded. Just my two cents. Theloneoutsider ( talk) 22:42, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
The circuit map ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mount_Panorama_street_racing_circuit_in_Australia.svg) is incorrect in several places. See the image discussion page for specifics, also http://www.mount-panorama.com/history-a-facts/4-facts/12-circuit-facts. 59.167.51.230 ( talk) 09:35, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
What is going on with this circuit map? It is still wrong. It has Griffins Bend marked as "Quarry Turn" and Pit Straight marked as "Main Straight". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.92.222.26 ( talk) 08:40, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
Quarry Turn is not actually wrong, it's an older name for the same corner. -- Falcadore ( talk) 10:48, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
The Dipper is about 4 corners away from where it really is. 121.45.11.192 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 09:38, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
From the Early Years section.. " This led to the birth of the widely accepted adage stating that "there is no substitute for cubic inches on the Mountain", which would become synonymous and change the face of racing at Bathurst forever." I was always under the impression this phrase referred to drag racing rather than being attributed to the race. A source for the origin of this would be nice to support the claim or a rewrite to remove the implication that the phrase was borne of the race.
also in the Early Years section.... " This proved to be a great marketing opportunity to increase sales and market share in the local market, and so the famous "Win on Sunday, Sell on Monday" concept was born." Again, its my understanding this came from a different source, the US Stock car racing scene It is difficult to believe a market as small as Australia would lead toa world wide uptake of this phrase in such a short time.
This is then followed by "This Series Production battleground between the "Big Three" was fought at Bathurst, and soon spawned the introduction and development of Australia's most famous muscle cars which became affectingly known as "Bathurst specials". These included Ford's Falcon GT and later GT-HO, Holden's Monaro and Torana, and Chrysler’s Pacer and Charger models" While the GT and later GTHO were bathurst models, it was the GTS (for Monaro), XU-1 (for the torana) and the R/T (for charger/pacer) I harldy think a 4 cyl hb torana would count as a "Bathurst Special"
Later on "after the Phase One's special tyres failed under the Falcon's heavy weight and great V8 power." What was "special" about the tyres? I vaguely recall they were not the standard cross ply tyres and that they introduced a tyre for the phase one without properly testing it, which is why they faield, but just saying they were "special" implies they were nto standard equipment, which they needed to be to run in the race.
"Brock and Bond were drivers for the Holden Dealer Team (HDT), which had been formed earlier in the year to take the fight to the factory Ford Special Vehicles division " Ford Special Vehicles is a non entity, in that it never actually existed. There was Ford Australia, or there was the Ford Works Team.
"It also signaled the first Bathurst victory for a six-cylinder engined car, which was an achievement that would not be repeated again until the maiden Bathurst win of the Nissan Skyline GT-R ‘Godzilla’ much later in 1991." Well the article is about the race, not just the track, and as the race had been won by a 6 cyl vehicle before, then this should not be considered such an important fact.
"Finally, it also began the Torana legend which would enable this innovative and unique muscle car to become one of Australia’s most successful touring cars ever" I would argue that the beginning of the Torana legend was the LC based XU-1 rather than the LJ variant. While the LJ started the winning culture at bathurst, the LC variant had been successful at other venues and in other forms of motor sport.
Is there an article to reference the "supercar scare" that can be linked? It would be nice to be able to iniform a neutral reader just what that meant. I know its not part of the actual race, and so exlanation should nto be placed here, but linking to a relevant page would be nice.
Theloneoutsider ( talk) 00:05, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
Those saying the 1973 Falcon GTO Fase III was the fastest 4 door car in the world, forgot about some of the other fast cars in the WORLD. Mer Benz 300 6.9 at the time was also a fast car. I owned a GTS 350 and then a GTHO III and I drove the Mer Benz - I vote for the Mer Benz 300.-- 58.179.50.151 ( talk) 22:21, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
I've reverted recent changes to the Group A section for the following reasons. The Jaguar XJS Group A homologation expired in 1986. They were no longer class legal after that so comparing them to the Nissan GT-R is a nonsense. Similarly the Starion was only raced by back marking teams in 1990 and similarly the BMW M3 had disappeared from competitive teams as well during the GT-R's first season, not reappearing until in force until '91. Similarly when the BMW did re-appear it was with a new car, the M3 Evolution with the 2.5 engine, a new for 1990 car so stating the GT-R was racing against 1987 cars was inaccurate, especially as the BMW was in fact newer than the Nissan.
Also the primary point of controversery of the 1992 race was how it finished. Issues of CAMS restructuring of the ATCC regs belong in the ATCC article, not here. Vehicle regulations complaints were all over and done with months before Bathurst came around. The line about Dick Johnson also is not appropriate for Wikipedia's encyclopic tone. Refer WP:TONE
Also FISA did not develop the 2.0 litre touring car regulations later termed Super Touring Cars. They were developed locally by British Touring Car Championship organisers TOCA and later copied by the FIA (not FISA) and by other CAMS equivalent bodies in Europe like ADAC for several championships across Europe, although the Touring Car World Cup was the only one the FIA ran themselves. -- Falcadore ( talk) 06:29, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
to use the infobox for a motorsport event that shows 1 line, couldn't we use a better infobox that shows more ? Dave Rave ( talk) 07:35, 8 October 2016 (UTC)
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By law, the name of this article should be 'Australia 1000'. The last time the 'Bathurst 1000' name was officially used was for the 1999 Bathurst 500 for the Australian Super Touring Championship. Whilst commercially known as the 'Bathurst 1000' since 2006, V8 Supercars Australia Pty Ltd (formerly known as AVESCO) cannot legally register the event as the 'Bathurst 1000', and to this day is recognised in all legal documents as the 'Australia 1000'. Here is the name's entry at the Australian IP web database. Not solely the logo of the period, as the event name is key here and that trademark (owned by Bathurst Regional Council and used under licence by V8 Supercars Australia Pty Ltd) runs until 2027. The trademark for "Bathurst 1000" is owned by two parties, one of which no longer exists (and subsequently retired the trademark) and the other is Brisbane TV Limited, better known as Channel Seven Queensland. This trademark was last renewed on 15 December 2016, and is therefore still active and the name 'Australia 1000' stands. Be aware that wilfully breaking trademark law in Australia can result in a fine of anywhere between AU$30,000 and AU$150,000; and this legislation includes false advertising, which this case can be classified as. 2001:8003:3C5B:1700:BDA5:CDEA:46B1:E75B ( talk) 11:23, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
It appears the very precise race distance of 1000.293km has been calculated by 6.213km lap distance multiplied by 161 laps. If we want to specify the race distance to this level of accuracy, the specifics of the start & finish lines need to be taken into account. Refer to Mount_Panorama_Circuit#The_Pit_Straight
"The Pit Straight of Mount Panorama, which is adjacent to the pit complex, has a different start line and finish line. For the standing start only, the start line is 143m closer to Hell Corner so that traffic does not go too far around Murray's Corner when the start grid is formed. The finish line is positioned such that all of the pit bays are located after it."
Therefor the precise race distance is 1000.150km. But do we really need to be so precise in the first place? 203.149.68.43 ( talk) 05:14, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
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There are a few "classes" of race, as far as i can tell (correct me if i'm wrong)
I propose, for now, just changing all article titles that aren't currently "<Year> Bathurst 1000" from 2000 to today. The others can stay as they are.
I'm not sure what the case would be before 2000, but at least since then, the common name hasn't been anything other that Bathurst 1000. MarkiPoli ( talk) 17:48, 30 September 2023 (UTC)