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For further details see David in Rabbinical Literature.
This has been there since at least February, and looks like it should be a wikilink, but there's still no David in Rabbinical Literature article (nor can I see any evidence one has been merged and/or deleted). Andrewa 16:17, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
WELL THERE were several things for David to be afraid of Uriah was his best friend and of course sin AGAINST THE LORD GOD ALMIGHTY.. Yes David did get her pregnant this account does not clearly tell the story as it is in the bible .. When he was unable to get Uriah to sleep with his wife the bible records that he was sent to the front line ,which even today makes you a prime target. So he was sure to be killed. The man is correct when they were involved with war a man was not able to make love to his wife..I think WHAT is most important that was left out about this account is The baby died.. This was directly from the lord to show David that he was not above correction..
I have no idea what this is supposed to mean. I don't get what David fears the "consequence of his act" is, or whether he forcibly raped Bath-sheba, or what Bath-sheba's "condition" is (did she get pregnant, or what?), or what the "ancient Israelitish rule applying to warriors in active service" is. Can someone who knows something about this explain it better? 216.195.164.111 19:04, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
If so, that should really be in the article.
I removed the sentance that says that Bat-shua and Batsheba were the same. Bat-shua in 1 Chronicles is Judah's wife. mikey 20:36, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
It seemed to me that we had Bathseba bathing well covered. I thought I would add a depiction of another phase of her life, tending to an aging David. No offense intended to those that preferred the other painting.-- Nowa 02:18, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
As long as you're showing various artistic renderings of Bathsheba, why not use Rembrandt's? CharlesTheBold 02:32, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Seems that this painting "David and Bathseba" is not labelled correctly. The artist Jan Matsys (or Massys) has a very different style and painted a different picture that year. As shown here: http://www.louvre.fr/llv/activite/detail_parcours.jsp?CURRENT_LLV_PARCOURS%3C%3Ecnt_id=10134198673226917&CONTENT%3C%3Ecnt_id=10134198673226756&CURRENT_LLV_CHEMINEMENT%3C%3Ecnt_id=10134198673226756&bmLocale=en This is a another very beautiful picture, and I'd love to know the author and to see the entire picture. Kelley Reid ( talk) 23:58, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
Why is there only a reference to "the Jewish bible"? The story is in the second book of Samuel in the Christian Old Testament, as well as in the Torah frame. Why no mention? Please add it in. Spanglej ( talk) 12:31, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
Are there any traditional views as to whether Bathsheba was (a)a victim of David's lust or (b) a gold-digger who deliberately attracted his attention? Actually, there must be some tradition to one effect or the other! Should not that be mentioned? Tom 129.93.17.220 ( talk) 21:37, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
Also, in the Bible it says that Bathsheba sent a letter to David to notify him that she was pregnant... preceding the husband's move to front lines. To me, that sounds like she was keeping it a secret from her husband and furthering her culpability. Kelley Reid ( talk) 00:58, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
I'm seeking consensus from this community to include a link to this page: http://beckydaroff.com/stories/bathsheba_susannah.html. This page compares the themes of Bathsheba and Susannah in Baroque paintings. Both are stories of biblical women who bathed while being spied upon, and paintings of both themes take advantage of the opportunity to represent a nude woman. Images from this page are linked to entries in 'Stories in Art,' my searchable database of paintings that tell stories. I do not benefit in any way from additional visits to this site, other than the gratification that a stranger might appreciate how different artists handle similar themes because of my project. Please ask any questions you may have, and thank you for your consideration. Bdaroff ( talk) 01:37, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
There is no reason why her name should be written in Arabic and not Greek or Latin. We should include all languages of the books where she features, or just feature the Hebrew. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.176.140.34 ( talk) 05:11, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
As above - how is she meant to be? Just a basic Bible knowledge - but surely Jesus had no issue? 86.152.169.5 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 13:24, 16 May 2012 (UTC).
The song also talks about Bathsheba. "There was a secret chord that David played and it pleased the Lord" - "you saw her bathing on the roof". Please include the ref. Spanglej ( talk) 12:38, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
Actually, snob, it has everything to do with the article, which is about the Biblical figure Bathsheba. Bathsheba and the David/Bathsheba story are referenced in a culturally significant song, a classic song, by Leonard Cohen. It certainly would have a place in such an article and would benefit it. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
98.227.77.90 (
talk)
06:29, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
Don't call people snobs -- Such things are not done in wikipedia. -- 75 * 18:46, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
It has been confirmed that Bathsheba was a descendant of Noah's son Ham (who uhm.. did not produce people of lily-white complexion). When I view Bathsheba's article, the picture shows a lily-white female?? I think it best to remove the picture. It's beyond misleading. Panda —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 4.159.230.175 ([[User talk:4.1 59.230.175|talk]]) 22:31, 17 February 2007 (UTC).
Art, and especially religious art, is way above skin color criteria. Disdero 16:33, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
Disdero, you may want to consider what a narrow-minded 12 year-old will assume when they look at that picture..
Dear Anonymous, I assume few "narrow-minded 12 year-olds" analyse Bathsheba skin on Wikipedia, or elsewhere. Please propose any other picture of your choice, on the Talk page, before destroying regular wikipedians contributions. I would prefer we do not enter in a cycle of rv & undos. Cheers Disdero 22:02, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
I assume few "narrow-minded 12 year-olds" analyse Bathsheba skin on Wikipedia, or elsewhere ..precisely, they'd just erroneously assume she was white. I will try to find a more fitting picture that is free to display on the article. And were all the pictures chosen by these 'regular' contributors discussed 'on the talk page' before they were embedded into the article?
Why would anyone assume Bathsheba was anything other than white? She has a Hebrew name, her father has a Hebrew name, and nowhere is it suggested that she is remotely foreign (as opposed to, say, her husband who is always "Uriah, the Hittite"). Yes, she was probably more tan than generally pictured, but racially, she was white. Like the other Jews of the time. —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Edmund Blackadder (
talk •
contribs)
00:38, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
Okay now let's be fair, lily-white sounds a tad mean. If one said Ham produced "mud-colored" people someone might be upset. We don't know what colors the descendants of Sem, Ham, or Japhet actually were. And let's not forget, the view that these people were the ancestors of anyone is not accepted by modern science. It's basically creationism. I myself believe in creation. But if you are going to make race-based ideological statements, I will have to say science and anthropology do not support the following: Blacks are Hamitic, Middle-Easterners are Semitic, Indo-Europeans are Japhetic. Those are creationist views that have their roots in Judeo-Christian folklore and mythology. And I'd like to point out fair-skinned people (not necessarily Indo-Europeans) have lived in hotter and sunnier regions, so she could've easily been white anyway. I think our original poster is holding to the Afro-centric view of things: If it was a sunny place, they must have been Black. Tarim basin mummies my friend, tarim basin mummies my friend. Us "whites" were everywhere, and still are. Best to all. George 47.20.9.43 ( talk) 02:59, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
From the article, I cannot tell if this person is a historical figure thought to have actually existed, purely a device from a fictional history, or if there is controversy between the two. Any help? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:6:B80:6CB:6982:F361:1B41:22CB ( talk) 01:36, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
I like this question. Well it seems modern scholarship is moving in the direction that biblical figures actually existed, but they are treated skeptically. I do not mean this in a derogatory way, but may I ask, are you a skeptic who believes the Bible is pure fiction? It appears this question can be asked about any of the numerous biblical figures Wikipedia, and other encyclopedias, have articles on. Some years ago National Geographic did a great article about Abraham, and numerous studies have been done on the "historical Jesus". I think modern historians do treat these biblical figures, as historical figures, but apply historical analysis to them. 47.20.9.43 ( talk) 03:07, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
Hello! This is a note to let the editors of this article know that File:Willem Drost - Batsheba met de brief van koning David.jpg will be appearing as picture of the day on January 18, 2017. You can view and edit the POTD blurb at Template:POTD/2017-01-18. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page. — Chris Woodrich ( talk) 01:40, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
This 1654 painting by Willem Drost, titled Bathsheba Holding King David's Letter, is one of numerous paintings depicting the story of Bathsheba. It is contemporaneous with Rembrandt's Bathsheba at Her Bath, which likewise depicts the nude subject holding a letter from David.Painting: Willem Drost
References
David is apparently a rapist. There is no reason I can think of to exclude the facts. QuackGuru ( talk) 19:41, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
References
thank you that is much better. I again want to note that the story of
Tamar that occurs later in the narrative is very clearly described as a rape - she says "no". The ambiguity in this passage is remarkable and your edit neutrally described that. well done! The only thing that was lame, was that you added it only to the lead, which is what i expect rank newbies to do, not somebody as experienced as you. I fixed that.
Jytdog (
talk) 02:35, 19 August 2017 (UTC) (strike
Jytdog (
talk)
02:45, 19 August 2017 (UTC))
Would it possible to replace Bathsheba's picture with a more modest one? Modesty is very important to Jewish people and I wouldn't want a religious person to see this. thank you. -- Violet24 ( talk) 22:56, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
I am a Christian and feel similarly, but sadly, she is also considered a cultural figure, and this article is written from a secular standpoint. 47.20.9.43 ( talk) 03:10, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
Why are you afraid of the nudity - were not male and female made in the image of God? This picture is not pornographic and this level of nudity is still common in certain societies today. True, it might give rise to some puerile fascination on the part of small boys, but then so do the more erotic passages in the Song of Solomon. Douglasson ( talk) 11:17, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
Is there a connection between the story of 'the daughter of Sheba' who becomes David's wife, and the 'Queen of Sheba' who visits their son Solomon after David had died and Solomon had taken the throne? Sheba was a territory in southern Arabia or Ethiopia/Eritrea (suggesting that both Bath-Sheba and the 'The Queen of Sheba' were black). It seems too much of a coincidence. 86.3.135.243 ( talk) 17:39, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Was she the first pornstar? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Finest1 ( talk • contribs) 23:41, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
It is in the manner of classical art Spanglej ( talk) 12:31, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
"What if a child writes a school project on the subject and looks at this page?"
What kind of a teacher would allow a child to write a school project on the Books of Samuel? The topics covered include deaths in battle, assassinations, decapitations, mutilations of corpses, suicide, necromancy, a brother raping his sister, fratricide, war between father and son, and lots of sex.
For example, in the story of Absalom, he claims the kingship by having public sex with his father's concubines: "And Ahithophel said unto Absalom, Go in unto thy father's concubines, that he hath left to keep the house; and all Israel will hear that thou art abhorred of thy father: then will the hands of all that are with thee be strong. So they spread Absalom a tent upon the top of the house; and Absalom went in unto his father's concubines in the sight of all Israel." See: http://biblehub.com/2_samuel/16-22.htm and https://hermeneutics.stackexchange.com/questions/1427/how-should-the-story-of-davids-concubines-be-read
When I was 12-years-old, a local bookseller and scholar gave me the best advice about how to view the Bible: "It is pure pornography, with frequent scenes of violence". After actually reading it, I came to the same conclusion. Never let kids near it. Dimadick ( talk) 16:35, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
No offense, but is English your primary language? "city of Yevus. (part of Jerusalem). In Jesuite/Yevusit language"
Jesuit refers to the Society of Jesus. The people of Jerusalem that you mention are the Jebusites, who supposedly held the city before David conquered them. There are brief mentions of this tribe in the Book of Genesis, Book of Joshua, the Books of Samuel, the Books of Kings, and the Books of Chronicles, but their historicity and if they can be identified with groups mentioned in extra-biblical sources is unclear.
There is a so-called "Jebusite hypothesis" concerning their role as an ethnic group and political faction in the Kingdom of Israel, but little solid evidence for it. :
The Books of Samuel do not mention Bathsheba as a Jebusite, and their narrative of the siege and conquest of Jerusalem contains little information about them.:
Jesuit refers to the Society of Jesus. The people of Jerusalem that you mention are the Jebusites, who supposedly held the city before David conquered them. There are brief mentions of this tribe in the Book of Genesis, Book of Joshua, the Books of Samuel, the Books of Kings, and the Books of Chronicles, but their historicity and if they can be identified with groups mentioned in extra-biblical sources is unclear.
באכדית הקידומת ״ירֻ״ שלם היא מגדיר ל״עיר״. ירו-שלים היא עיר שלם
I gave you my source on my page and answered all your questions. I wrote the names in Hebrew above. Actually Yeru is the April-May and Azuru means city. But we don't know how the words are pronounced and Yahalom wrote in Hebrew. I am just translating. He also explains that in ancient languages places were named by their definition. For example Mount Sinai and not just Sinai, Beit-Mikdash (House- Temple), Biet Shemesh (House Sun/Shemesh), So it makes sense that they called this a city and then added the name of the city. But if you have another explanation of what Yeru means, go ahead and share it. We are here to learn and share information so that the Wikipedia pages can be as historically correct as possible. Please add your sources when you write and Uriah, when spelled in Hebrew is leader/ruler.-- Jane955 ( talk) 16:26, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
I came to this article whilst trying to find out references to Bathsheba's other children as recorded in 1 Chronicles v4: "David reigned in Jerusalem thirty-three years, and these were the children born to him there: Shammua, Shobab, Nathan and Solomon. These four were by Bathsheba daughter of Ammiel. " Interesting that Solomon is placed in fourth position. Douglasson ( talk) 11:11, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
We have this title above the leadimage. Is it motivated? Sure, she is technically a Queen Mother, but is she generally described as Queen of Israel in sources? Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 13:55, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
Also, this is a new thread and should not be part of the July (non-admin closure), but I can't figure out how to correct this. Help, please. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 14:04, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
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Removed text:
For further details see David in Rabbinical Literature.
This has been there since at least February, and looks like it should be a wikilink, but there's still no David in Rabbinical Literature article (nor can I see any evidence one has been merged and/or deleted). Andrewa 16:17, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
WELL THERE were several things for David to be afraid of Uriah was his best friend and of course sin AGAINST THE LORD GOD ALMIGHTY.. Yes David did get her pregnant this account does not clearly tell the story as it is in the bible .. When he was unable to get Uriah to sleep with his wife the bible records that he was sent to the front line ,which even today makes you a prime target. So he was sure to be killed. The man is correct when they were involved with war a man was not able to make love to his wife..I think WHAT is most important that was left out about this account is The baby died.. This was directly from the lord to show David that he was not above correction..
I have no idea what this is supposed to mean. I don't get what David fears the "consequence of his act" is, or whether he forcibly raped Bath-sheba, or what Bath-sheba's "condition" is (did she get pregnant, or what?), or what the "ancient Israelitish rule applying to warriors in active service" is. Can someone who knows something about this explain it better? 216.195.164.111 19:04, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
If so, that should really be in the article.
I removed the sentance that says that Bat-shua and Batsheba were the same. Bat-shua in 1 Chronicles is Judah's wife. mikey 20:36, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
It seemed to me that we had Bathseba bathing well covered. I thought I would add a depiction of another phase of her life, tending to an aging David. No offense intended to those that preferred the other painting.-- Nowa 02:18, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
As long as you're showing various artistic renderings of Bathsheba, why not use Rembrandt's? CharlesTheBold 02:32, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Seems that this painting "David and Bathseba" is not labelled correctly. The artist Jan Matsys (or Massys) has a very different style and painted a different picture that year. As shown here: http://www.louvre.fr/llv/activite/detail_parcours.jsp?CURRENT_LLV_PARCOURS%3C%3Ecnt_id=10134198673226917&CONTENT%3C%3Ecnt_id=10134198673226756&CURRENT_LLV_CHEMINEMENT%3C%3Ecnt_id=10134198673226756&bmLocale=en This is a another very beautiful picture, and I'd love to know the author and to see the entire picture. Kelley Reid ( talk) 23:58, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
Why is there only a reference to "the Jewish bible"? The story is in the second book of Samuel in the Christian Old Testament, as well as in the Torah frame. Why no mention? Please add it in. Spanglej ( talk) 12:31, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
Are there any traditional views as to whether Bathsheba was (a)a victim of David's lust or (b) a gold-digger who deliberately attracted his attention? Actually, there must be some tradition to one effect or the other! Should not that be mentioned? Tom 129.93.17.220 ( talk) 21:37, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
Also, in the Bible it says that Bathsheba sent a letter to David to notify him that she was pregnant... preceding the husband's move to front lines. To me, that sounds like she was keeping it a secret from her husband and furthering her culpability. Kelley Reid ( talk) 00:58, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
I'm seeking consensus from this community to include a link to this page: http://beckydaroff.com/stories/bathsheba_susannah.html. This page compares the themes of Bathsheba and Susannah in Baroque paintings. Both are stories of biblical women who bathed while being spied upon, and paintings of both themes take advantage of the opportunity to represent a nude woman. Images from this page are linked to entries in 'Stories in Art,' my searchable database of paintings that tell stories. I do not benefit in any way from additional visits to this site, other than the gratification that a stranger might appreciate how different artists handle similar themes because of my project. Please ask any questions you may have, and thank you for your consideration. Bdaroff ( talk) 01:37, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
There is no reason why her name should be written in Arabic and not Greek or Latin. We should include all languages of the books where she features, or just feature the Hebrew. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.176.140.34 ( talk) 05:11, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
As above - how is she meant to be? Just a basic Bible knowledge - but surely Jesus had no issue? 86.152.169.5 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 13:24, 16 May 2012 (UTC).
The song also talks about Bathsheba. "There was a secret chord that David played and it pleased the Lord" - "you saw her bathing on the roof". Please include the ref. Spanglej ( talk) 12:38, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
Actually, snob, it has everything to do with the article, which is about the Biblical figure Bathsheba. Bathsheba and the David/Bathsheba story are referenced in a culturally significant song, a classic song, by Leonard Cohen. It certainly would have a place in such an article and would benefit it. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
98.227.77.90 (
talk)
06:29, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
Don't call people snobs -- Such things are not done in wikipedia. -- 75 * 18:46, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
It has been confirmed that Bathsheba was a descendant of Noah's son Ham (who uhm.. did not produce people of lily-white complexion). When I view Bathsheba's article, the picture shows a lily-white female?? I think it best to remove the picture. It's beyond misleading. Panda —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 4.159.230.175 ([[User talk:4.1 59.230.175|talk]]) 22:31, 17 February 2007 (UTC).
Art, and especially religious art, is way above skin color criteria. Disdero 16:33, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
Disdero, you may want to consider what a narrow-minded 12 year-old will assume when they look at that picture..
Dear Anonymous, I assume few "narrow-minded 12 year-olds" analyse Bathsheba skin on Wikipedia, or elsewhere. Please propose any other picture of your choice, on the Talk page, before destroying regular wikipedians contributions. I would prefer we do not enter in a cycle of rv & undos. Cheers Disdero 22:02, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
I assume few "narrow-minded 12 year-olds" analyse Bathsheba skin on Wikipedia, or elsewhere ..precisely, they'd just erroneously assume she was white. I will try to find a more fitting picture that is free to display on the article. And were all the pictures chosen by these 'regular' contributors discussed 'on the talk page' before they were embedded into the article?
Why would anyone assume Bathsheba was anything other than white? She has a Hebrew name, her father has a Hebrew name, and nowhere is it suggested that she is remotely foreign (as opposed to, say, her husband who is always "Uriah, the Hittite"). Yes, she was probably more tan than generally pictured, but racially, she was white. Like the other Jews of the time. —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Edmund Blackadder (
talk •
contribs)
00:38, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
Okay now let's be fair, lily-white sounds a tad mean. If one said Ham produced "mud-colored" people someone might be upset. We don't know what colors the descendants of Sem, Ham, or Japhet actually were. And let's not forget, the view that these people were the ancestors of anyone is not accepted by modern science. It's basically creationism. I myself believe in creation. But if you are going to make race-based ideological statements, I will have to say science and anthropology do not support the following: Blacks are Hamitic, Middle-Easterners are Semitic, Indo-Europeans are Japhetic. Those are creationist views that have their roots in Judeo-Christian folklore and mythology. And I'd like to point out fair-skinned people (not necessarily Indo-Europeans) have lived in hotter and sunnier regions, so she could've easily been white anyway. I think our original poster is holding to the Afro-centric view of things: If it was a sunny place, they must have been Black. Tarim basin mummies my friend, tarim basin mummies my friend. Us "whites" were everywhere, and still are. Best to all. George 47.20.9.43 ( talk) 02:59, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
From the article, I cannot tell if this person is a historical figure thought to have actually existed, purely a device from a fictional history, or if there is controversy between the two. Any help? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:6:B80:6CB:6982:F361:1B41:22CB ( talk) 01:36, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
I like this question. Well it seems modern scholarship is moving in the direction that biblical figures actually existed, but they are treated skeptically. I do not mean this in a derogatory way, but may I ask, are you a skeptic who believes the Bible is pure fiction? It appears this question can be asked about any of the numerous biblical figures Wikipedia, and other encyclopedias, have articles on. Some years ago National Geographic did a great article about Abraham, and numerous studies have been done on the "historical Jesus". I think modern historians do treat these biblical figures, as historical figures, but apply historical analysis to them. 47.20.9.43 ( talk) 03:07, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
Hello! This is a note to let the editors of this article know that File:Willem Drost - Batsheba met de brief van koning David.jpg will be appearing as picture of the day on January 18, 2017. You can view and edit the POTD blurb at Template:POTD/2017-01-18. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page. — Chris Woodrich ( talk) 01:40, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
This 1654 painting by Willem Drost, titled Bathsheba Holding King David's Letter, is one of numerous paintings depicting the story of Bathsheba. It is contemporaneous with Rembrandt's Bathsheba at Her Bath, which likewise depicts the nude subject holding a letter from David.Painting: Willem Drost
References
David is apparently a rapist. There is no reason I can think of to exclude the facts. QuackGuru ( talk) 19:41, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
References
thank you that is much better. I again want to note that the story of
Tamar that occurs later in the narrative is very clearly described as a rape - she says "no". The ambiguity in this passage is remarkable and your edit neutrally described that. well done! The only thing that was lame, was that you added it only to the lead, which is what i expect rank newbies to do, not somebody as experienced as you. I fixed that.
Jytdog (
talk) 02:35, 19 August 2017 (UTC) (strike
Jytdog (
talk)
02:45, 19 August 2017 (UTC))
Would it possible to replace Bathsheba's picture with a more modest one? Modesty is very important to Jewish people and I wouldn't want a religious person to see this. thank you. -- Violet24 ( talk) 22:56, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
I am a Christian and feel similarly, but sadly, she is also considered a cultural figure, and this article is written from a secular standpoint. 47.20.9.43 ( talk) 03:10, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
Why are you afraid of the nudity - were not male and female made in the image of God? This picture is not pornographic and this level of nudity is still common in certain societies today. True, it might give rise to some puerile fascination on the part of small boys, but then so do the more erotic passages in the Song of Solomon. Douglasson ( talk) 11:17, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
Is there a connection between the story of 'the daughter of Sheba' who becomes David's wife, and the 'Queen of Sheba' who visits their son Solomon after David had died and Solomon had taken the throne? Sheba was a territory in southern Arabia or Ethiopia/Eritrea (suggesting that both Bath-Sheba and the 'The Queen of Sheba' were black). It seems too much of a coincidence. 86.3.135.243 ( talk) 17:39, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Was she the first pornstar? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Finest1 ( talk • contribs) 23:41, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
It is in the manner of classical art Spanglej ( talk) 12:31, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
"What if a child writes a school project on the subject and looks at this page?"
What kind of a teacher would allow a child to write a school project on the Books of Samuel? The topics covered include deaths in battle, assassinations, decapitations, mutilations of corpses, suicide, necromancy, a brother raping his sister, fratricide, war between father and son, and lots of sex.
For example, in the story of Absalom, he claims the kingship by having public sex with his father's concubines: "And Ahithophel said unto Absalom, Go in unto thy father's concubines, that he hath left to keep the house; and all Israel will hear that thou art abhorred of thy father: then will the hands of all that are with thee be strong. So they spread Absalom a tent upon the top of the house; and Absalom went in unto his father's concubines in the sight of all Israel." See: http://biblehub.com/2_samuel/16-22.htm and https://hermeneutics.stackexchange.com/questions/1427/how-should-the-story-of-davids-concubines-be-read
When I was 12-years-old, a local bookseller and scholar gave me the best advice about how to view the Bible: "It is pure pornography, with frequent scenes of violence". After actually reading it, I came to the same conclusion. Never let kids near it. Dimadick ( talk) 16:35, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
No offense, but is English your primary language? "city of Yevus. (part of Jerusalem). In Jesuite/Yevusit language"
Jesuit refers to the Society of Jesus. The people of Jerusalem that you mention are the Jebusites, who supposedly held the city before David conquered them. There are brief mentions of this tribe in the Book of Genesis, Book of Joshua, the Books of Samuel, the Books of Kings, and the Books of Chronicles, but their historicity and if they can be identified with groups mentioned in extra-biblical sources is unclear.
There is a so-called "Jebusite hypothesis" concerning their role as an ethnic group and political faction in the Kingdom of Israel, but little solid evidence for it. :
The Books of Samuel do not mention Bathsheba as a Jebusite, and their narrative of the siege and conquest of Jerusalem contains little information about them.:
Jesuit refers to the Society of Jesus. The people of Jerusalem that you mention are the Jebusites, who supposedly held the city before David conquered them. There are brief mentions of this tribe in the Book of Genesis, Book of Joshua, the Books of Samuel, the Books of Kings, and the Books of Chronicles, but their historicity and if they can be identified with groups mentioned in extra-biblical sources is unclear.
באכדית הקידומת ״ירֻ״ שלם היא מגדיר ל״עיר״. ירו-שלים היא עיר שלם
I gave you my source on my page and answered all your questions. I wrote the names in Hebrew above. Actually Yeru is the April-May and Azuru means city. But we don't know how the words are pronounced and Yahalom wrote in Hebrew. I am just translating. He also explains that in ancient languages places were named by their definition. For example Mount Sinai and not just Sinai, Beit-Mikdash (House- Temple), Biet Shemesh (House Sun/Shemesh), So it makes sense that they called this a city and then added the name of the city. But if you have another explanation of what Yeru means, go ahead and share it. We are here to learn and share information so that the Wikipedia pages can be as historically correct as possible. Please add your sources when you write and Uriah, when spelled in Hebrew is leader/ruler.-- Jane955 ( talk) 16:26, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
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I came to this article whilst trying to find out references to Bathsheba's other children as recorded in 1 Chronicles v4: "David reigned in Jerusalem thirty-three years, and these were the children born to him there: Shammua, Shobab, Nathan and Solomon. These four were by Bathsheba daughter of Ammiel. " Interesting that Solomon is placed in fourth position. Douglasson ( talk) 11:11, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
We have this title above the leadimage. Is it motivated? Sure, she is technically a Queen Mother, but is she generally described as Queen of Israel in sources? Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 13:55, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
Also, this is a new thread and should not be part of the July (non-admin closure), but I can't figure out how to correct this. Help, please. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 14:04, 12 October 2018 (UTC)