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I have started a general naming debate on the naming conventions of Basque provinces at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Basque and would like to invite all interested parties to take part in the debate. Akerbeltz ( talk) 12:02, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
I must point the fact that Basque Country as a greater region doesn't have any official flag/coat of arms, as it's not an administrative neither political entity. One thing is true: the Basque Country/Euskal Herria can be considered as a cultural region (see Informe de la Real Academia de la Lengua Vasca sobre la denominación Euskal Herria), but as it's not any consolidated country, it has no flag/coat of arms. Furthermore, the ikurriña flag as a symbol to an hypothetical Greater Basque Country is a claim not supported by all basque society, including those citiziens from regions that would be a part of it. Therefore, the image of the flag and the coat of arms should be removed. Nevertheless, the nationalist claim is 100% real, so the images should be included in the article as a reflect of this reality. I shall proceed now to edit those changes. -- Infinauta ( talk) 10:18, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
In an English-language encyclopedia the use of terminology should reflect as much as possible practices and habits that are rooted in the English language. There, the term "Basque Country" has routinely been used, without political connotation, for the seven provinces. This, in reality, is common also in Spanish when there is no attempt to make political statements. E.g. a copy of the Dictionary of the Royal Academy I consulted, written during Franco's era, defined "País Vasco" as such, and it is still norm among Spanish media to refer to the French Basque Country, including therefore part of Navarre, as "País Vasco Francés". (I assume that Spanish media are not implying that the three french provinces should be annexed to the Basque Autonomous Community!) Similarly, in French, the three provinces are geographically referred to as Pays Basque, and not as "one-half of the Department of Pyrénées-Atlantiques", their administrative status. This approach is followed, in Wikipedia, in other cases of geographical regions currently shared by two or more states, for example Tyrol or Kurdistan. These may or may not have a "smaller" administrative unit that shared that name (e.g. the State of Tyrol in Austria) but Wikipedia does not refer to the entire region as "Tyrol (Greater Region)". In other cases (Catalonia, Luxembourg) there is disambiguation, but always avoidance of the rather sinister "greater region" specification. I conclude by pointing out that, stricto sensu, there is not such a thing as "smaller" Basque Country: the Basque Autonomous Community is defined, in the two official languages, as "Comunidad autónoma del País Vasco", or "Euskadi". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.51.77.131 ( talk) 05:47, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
Hi there again, well I have to say, the new sentences don't possibly hold water, Iparralde's provinces weren't outlined according to exact linguistic boundaries either (e.g. Biarritz, Bayonne, Bidache were mainly Gascon speaking traditionally), but diverse criteria by and large comprising a cultural area (this is not exclusive of the Basque Country). I don't see any need anyway to pump up more the previous statements and if any nuances are to be made, they may fit better in the territorial extension section, don't you think?
I wouldn't like to leave this unsettled, so I deleted the phrase about Basque nationalism too ("as defined by..."). This is a ethnic/cultural region acknowledged for centuries, where its people identify each other as Basques long before Basque nationalism was invented, while the the other quote of nationalism remains true as far as I understand (a claim closely tied to Basque nationalism since it generated). Similar instances can be found in Frisia, Kurdistan or Lapland, cases where the Basque Country can be mirrored for encyclopaedic purposes. Iñaki LL ( talk) 12:43, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
Much to my reluctance, I've had to revert edits. The nature of the boundaries of Euskal Herria is not a minor detail that can be dealt with in a quick sentence deep into the page; it must be clearly explained in the heading. And a sentence like the one mentioned, "the concept of a single ... has been closely associated ..." is almost as ambiguous as it gets.
On the other hand, just because Bonaparte included the existing administrative boundaries in his map, to call them scientific... takes a bit of self-deception. The sad part of all this is that the editors in this page are obviously well aware of the real situation, they're not just misguided guys from New Zealand or British Columbia... so, in the name of the Neutral Point of View, I'm afraid I must brace myself for some edit warring. -- Jotamar ( talk) 11:35, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
Let's see...
To be continued, hopefully. -- Jotamar ( talk) 14:08, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
Navarrese people may identify themselves as Navarrese primarily, even those that speak Basque. Nonethless, the language is still called Euskara even then so there is a clear link and we cannot disassociate Basque-ness and Navarrese-ness. I also think we should be more careful with words like ovewhelming... let's have some facts, shall we?
The 1996 Inkesta asked the interesting question of identity, specifically if people referred to themselves as an Euskal Herritar (in Navarre) and the results are as follows:
In 1996, the BA had 47,700 inhabs, the MA 227,800 and the NBA 161,700. If we factor the above in, that means 237,968 inhabitans of Navarre in 1996 thought they were Euskal Herritar fully or somewhat, which is 54% in all of Navarre. Which means that in 1996 a majority of all Navarrese considered themselves Euskal Herritar. Akerbeltz ( talk) 16:43, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
Hello there, at your own request I´m not changing it straight. Most of it was right before and if any, one only change should be the done:
Sorry but that there is no state or single administration doesn't mean there is no reality, whatever it is like. It´s the ethnic, historic and political past and present and it's the future project. Lapland is a reality, Kurdistan is a reality beyond administration borders, you like it or not. Iñaki LL ( talk) 08:15, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
I know the basque nationalist sector has the tradition of the Ikurriña and the coat of arms for their claim of Euskal Herria, so I agree of including the flag and the coat of arms in the article. But as it's not a recognised country by any state in the world, the inclusion into the infobox is a misleading edition. Furthermore, the coat of arms and the flag are already included in the article here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basque_Country_%28greater_region%29#Territorial_extension and here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basque_Country_%28greater_region%29#Basque_Nationalism. We may discuss if we should include the flag and the coat of arms in the same subsection, explaining the claim of nationalist sectors (remember that Navarre government asked for the deletion of their escutcheon in the coat of arms of Euskal Herria). Thank you for your kind colaboration with the article.-- Infinauta ( talk) 23:13, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
The political parties section is outdated.
To begin with, Batasuna is no longer in the Basque country (Spanish area) since it was declared illegal, other parties ANV (Accion Nacionalista Vasca) and now Bildu have arised, the section should be updated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.176.97.142 ( talk) 02:17, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
It seems unreasonable to describe of a region as that of one and only people. People identifying as Basque also live just outside that region, while there are many areas inside it where there are no Basque people. Politis ( talk) 00:06, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
Following up with your suggestion, the BC then, is the homeland of Basque people, French people, Spanish people and recently of other immigrant communities with French or Spanish citizenship. Politis ( talk) 17:57, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
I am Navarro, and I am dismayed by the lack of neutrality of this article. coat of arms? come on... Euskal Herria doesn't formally exists. The historical territory was the Kingdom of Pamplona/Navarre. Euskal Herria is a nationalistic tool to achieve a new political status, not recognised by many of us, who are from Navarre. A warn of lack of neutrality should be exhibited in this article. Achaya ( talk) 22:02, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
The 1996 inkesta has some nice data on identity and all the subsequent ones on attitudes towards the languages. I'm thinking of moving the detailed data on attitudes in southern Navarre into a general section on the issue, thoughts? Akerbeltz ( talk) 14:00, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
Recently a new reference (#14) to the Libro Blanco del Euskera has been added, namely to the 60 pages-strong chapter Perspectiva política. Could we get a more precise point or page, so as not to be forced to read the sixty pages to find the referencing text? Jotamar ( talk) 01:34, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
No thanks, I almost fell for it, but if I asked for a clarification it's because I don't know the facts, otherwise I would have just rewritten the sentence in the first place. It seems that you have written most of the History section, which is not bad in general, but the discussed sentence is extremely vague and reeks of conspiracy theories about the destruction of all Basques. You are the one who knows the history, so just rewrite it to reflect the bare facts and the historical background, and not any interpretation of it that will inevitably be colored by your political or philosophical ideas.
Jotamar ( talk) 21:24, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
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The Basque topic is a recurring theme in ethnic and linguistic discussions, and during last century many theories and hypotheses have developed. The most widespread is that they are autochthonous for millenniums and one of the first European settlers and is based in your lenguage not Indo-European. Unfortunately, many of these theories are heavily influenced by a very racist and violent nationalism from one century ago.
I think the only Basque mystery is your language not IE: Basque.
Regarding genetic ethnicity, obviously Basques are Indo-European , the R1b -Spain group, which should reach the iberian peninsula and southern France less than 4000 years ago.
They do not speak Indo-European and they are Indo-European. That's the mystery.
My theory is this: The Basques descended from some Indo-European tribe (Celtic or Protoceltic) who were captured or enslaved by another not Indo-European ethnic group , Spanish Iberians probably, whose language was related to the Berber. Possibly adults were killed and those slaves grew speaking a mixture of languages: Celtic from their mothers, the Iberian from their captors and other languages spoken by other slaves.
Somehow , they managed to free themselves from their slavery and fled , settling down a few hundred or thousands in a very unpopulated area : western Pyrenees mountains. They lived there for centuries and Basque language developed, a koine, a mix was formed with influences of several languages: Celtic , Berber , Dogon.... and later Latin. Were known for their Celtic neighbors by name 'barscunes' , which means 'mountain communities' (bar-cume, group-mountain). The Basques did not have a name to define themselves.
The Basques were used by the Romans in I BC as auxiliary troops , probably to camp construction services and material transport. Arabs in the VIII AD told that Basques were very primitive people, and were unaware of or ceramic or treatment of metals.
In the IX AD Basques were used as mercenaries by the peninsular Christian kings in their internal struggles. Keep in mind that the Spanish Basques settled in their present territory between the V -VI AD centuries , displacing the Celts tribes of Caristios Varduli and Austrigones .
The archeology of the Spanish Basque Country shows Celtic remains , also place names. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.154.72.240 ( talk) 23:32, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
File:Euskal Herriaren Euler diagrama - Euler diagram of the Basque Country.jpg is very hard to understand; I think it's in Basque and not English? -- Beland ( talk) 17:57, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
Ez horregatik :) I've redone it using your suggestions to keep the font uniform. Akerbeltz ( talk) 21:14, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
The caption says "The enclaves of Valle de Villaverde and Treviño are pictured in red and blue, respectively." but I don't see them. It would help if they were labelled. Also, I think the part that claims only the "light yellow" regions are in France is incorrect. -- Beland ( talk) 18:00, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
Please do stop restoring an ungrounded statement that does not belong in the lead at any rate. It looks like WP:OR, and it is WP:VER. The statement ("Even though they are not necessarily synonyms, the concept of a single culturally Basque area spanning various regions and countries has been closely associated with the politics of Basque nationalism" is actually meaningless and looks pretty cacophonic, what does actually "the concept of a single culturally Basque" mean?? The Basque Country has been Euskal Herria, the country of the Basques, a natural community inhabiting this geographic area for ages, historically very homogeneous, but not totally of course.
So what does that statement mean apart from introducing noisy Spanish politics. Objections have been pointed at the end of the lead about a widespread identity different from the Basque especially at the south of Navarre. Iñaki LL ( talk) 20:37, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
Re this To begin with, most probably it would only encompass the Basque-speaking areas. That's pretty OR and somewhat odd. Assuming you mean the PNV/ETA type of nationalism with "nationalism", the nearest thing there was ever been to an independent Basque political entity is the Kingdom of Navarre which included quite a lot of areas in the south of Navarra which were at least weak in terms of Basque speakers and at times even areas which definitely weren't (such as the Rioja around 1000 AD). So the presence or absence of speakers in a hypothetical scenario is a double edged sword and in any case, making claims about what that might have meant is veeery hypothetical. Akerbeltz ( talk) 10:01, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
To user:Akerbeltz: there's no such thing as OR in a talk page; I was just trying to illustrate my point. -- Jotamar ( talk) 14:53, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
Getting back to the big picture: I try to put myself in the place of someone with no previous info about the subject. He wants to know what is Euskal Herria. The answer: it's the home of the Basque people. So he must use the link, and he reads this: The Basques are an indigenous ethnic group characterised by the Basque language, a common culture, and shared ancestry to the ancient Vascones and Aquitanians. So now things are very clear: exactly in the area represented in the map, all the people speak Basque, all have a common culture (whatever this might mean), and all have a common ancestry. He then visits the place, and arrives to the conclusion that WP is just a bunch of lies. What should we do. -- Jotamar ( talk) 15:05, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
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I have started a general naming debate on the naming conventions of Basque provinces at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Basque and would like to invite all interested parties to take part in the debate. Akerbeltz ( talk) 12:02, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
I must point the fact that Basque Country as a greater region doesn't have any official flag/coat of arms, as it's not an administrative neither political entity. One thing is true: the Basque Country/Euskal Herria can be considered as a cultural region (see Informe de la Real Academia de la Lengua Vasca sobre la denominación Euskal Herria), but as it's not any consolidated country, it has no flag/coat of arms. Furthermore, the ikurriña flag as a symbol to an hypothetical Greater Basque Country is a claim not supported by all basque society, including those citiziens from regions that would be a part of it. Therefore, the image of the flag and the coat of arms should be removed. Nevertheless, the nationalist claim is 100% real, so the images should be included in the article as a reflect of this reality. I shall proceed now to edit those changes. -- Infinauta ( talk) 10:18, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
In an English-language encyclopedia the use of terminology should reflect as much as possible practices and habits that are rooted in the English language. There, the term "Basque Country" has routinely been used, without political connotation, for the seven provinces. This, in reality, is common also in Spanish when there is no attempt to make political statements. E.g. a copy of the Dictionary of the Royal Academy I consulted, written during Franco's era, defined "País Vasco" as such, and it is still norm among Spanish media to refer to the French Basque Country, including therefore part of Navarre, as "País Vasco Francés". (I assume that Spanish media are not implying that the three french provinces should be annexed to the Basque Autonomous Community!) Similarly, in French, the three provinces are geographically referred to as Pays Basque, and not as "one-half of the Department of Pyrénées-Atlantiques", their administrative status. This approach is followed, in Wikipedia, in other cases of geographical regions currently shared by two or more states, for example Tyrol or Kurdistan. These may or may not have a "smaller" administrative unit that shared that name (e.g. the State of Tyrol in Austria) but Wikipedia does not refer to the entire region as "Tyrol (Greater Region)". In other cases (Catalonia, Luxembourg) there is disambiguation, but always avoidance of the rather sinister "greater region" specification. I conclude by pointing out that, stricto sensu, there is not such a thing as "smaller" Basque Country: the Basque Autonomous Community is defined, in the two official languages, as "Comunidad autónoma del País Vasco", or "Euskadi". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.51.77.131 ( talk) 05:47, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
Hi there again, well I have to say, the new sentences don't possibly hold water, Iparralde's provinces weren't outlined according to exact linguistic boundaries either (e.g. Biarritz, Bayonne, Bidache were mainly Gascon speaking traditionally), but diverse criteria by and large comprising a cultural area (this is not exclusive of the Basque Country). I don't see any need anyway to pump up more the previous statements and if any nuances are to be made, they may fit better in the territorial extension section, don't you think?
I wouldn't like to leave this unsettled, so I deleted the phrase about Basque nationalism too ("as defined by..."). This is a ethnic/cultural region acknowledged for centuries, where its people identify each other as Basques long before Basque nationalism was invented, while the the other quote of nationalism remains true as far as I understand (a claim closely tied to Basque nationalism since it generated). Similar instances can be found in Frisia, Kurdistan or Lapland, cases where the Basque Country can be mirrored for encyclopaedic purposes. Iñaki LL ( talk) 12:43, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
Much to my reluctance, I've had to revert edits. The nature of the boundaries of Euskal Herria is not a minor detail that can be dealt with in a quick sentence deep into the page; it must be clearly explained in the heading. And a sentence like the one mentioned, "the concept of a single ... has been closely associated ..." is almost as ambiguous as it gets.
On the other hand, just because Bonaparte included the existing administrative boundaries in his map, to call them scientific... takes a bit of self-deception. The sad part of all this is that the editors in this page are obviously well aware of the real situation, they're not just misguided guys from New Zealand or British Columbia... so, in the name of the Neutral Point of View, I'm afraid I must brace myself for some edit warring. -- Jotamar ( talk) 11:35, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
Let's see...
To be continued, hopefully. -- Jotamar ( talk) 14:08, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
Navarrese people may identify themselves as Navarrese primarily, even those that speak Basque. Nonethless, the language is still called Euskara even then so there is a clear link and we cannot disassociate Basque-ness and Navarrese-ness. I also think we should be more careful with words like ovewhelming... let's have some facts, shall we?
The 1996 Inkesta asked the interesting question of identity, specifically if people referred to themselves as an Euskal Herritar (in Navarre) and the results are as follows:
In 1996, the BA had 47,700 inhabs, the MA 227,800 and the NBA 161,700. If we factor the above in, that means 237,968 inhabitans of Navarre in 1996 thought they were Euskal Herritar fully or somewhat, which is 54% in all of Navarre. Which means that in 1996 a majority of all Navarrese considered themselves Euskal Herritar. Akerbeltz ( talk) 16:43, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
Hello there, at your own request I´m not changing it straight. Most of it was right before and if any, one only change should be the done:
Sorry but that there is no state or single administration doesn't mean there is no reality, whatever it is like. It´s the ethnic, historic and political past and present and it's the future project. Lapland is a reality, Kurdistan is a reality beyond administration borders, you like it or not. Iñaki LL ( talk) 08:15, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
I know the basque nationalist sector has the tradition of the Ikurriña and the coat of arms for their claim of Euskal Herria, so I agree of including the flag and the coat of arms in the article. But as it's not a recognised country by any state in the world, the inclusion into the infobox is a misleading edition. Furthermore, the coat of arms and the flag are already included in the article here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basque_Country_%28greater_region%29#Territorial_extension and here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basque_Country_%28greater_region%29#Basque_Nationalism. We may discuss if we should include the flag and the coat of arms in the same subsection, explaining the claim of nationalist sectors (remember that Navarre government asked for the deletion of their escutcheon in the coat of arms of Euskal Herria). Thank you for your kind colaboration with the article.-- Infinauta ( talk) 23:13, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
The political parties section is outdated.
To begin with, Batasuna is no longer in the Basque country (Spanish area) since it was declared illegal, other parties ANV (Accion Nacionalista Vasca) and now Bildu have arised, the section should be updated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.176.97.142 ( talk) 02:17, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
It seems unreasonable to describe of a region as that of one and only people. People identifying as Basque also live just outside that region, while there are many areas inside it where there are no Basque people. Politis ( talk) 00:06, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
Following up with your suggestion, the BC then, is the homeland of Basque people, French people, Spanish people and recently of other immigrant communities with French or Spanish citizenship. Politis ( talk) 17:57, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
I am Navarro, and I am dismayed by the lack of neutrality of this article. coat of arms? come on... Euskal Herria doesn't formally exists. The historical territory was the Kingdom of Pamplona/Navarre. Euskal Herria is a nationalistic tool to achieve a new political status, not recognised by many of us, who are from Navarre. A warn of lack of neutrality should be exhibited in this article. Achaya ( talk) 22:02, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
The 1996 inkesta has some nice data on identity and all the subsequent ones on attitudes towards the languages. I'm thinking of moving the detailed data on attitudes in southern Navarre into a general section on the issue, thoughts? Akerbeltz ( talk) 14:00, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
Recently a new reference (#14) to the Libro Blanco del Euskera has been added, namely to the 60 pages-strong chapter Perspectiva política. Could we get a more precise point or page, so as not to be forced to read the sixty pages to find the referencing text? Jotamar ( talk) 01:34, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
No thanks, I almost fell for it, but if I asked for a clarification it's because I don't know the facts, otherwise I would have just rewritten the sentence in the first place. It seems that you have written most of the History section, which is not bad in general, but the discussed sentence is extremely vague and reeks of conspiracy theories about the destruction of all Basques. You are the one who knows the history, so just rewrite it to reflect the bare facts and the historical background, and not any interpretation of it that will inevitably be colored by your political or philosophical ideas.
Jotamar ( talk) 21:24, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
---
The Basque topic is a recurring theme in ethnic and linguistic discussions, and during last century many theories and hypotheses have developed. The most widespread is that they are autochthonous for millenniums and one of the first European settlers and is based in your lenguage not Indo-European. Unfortunately, many of these theories are heavily influenced by a very racist and violent nationalism from one century ago.
I think the only Basque mystery is your language not IE: Basque.
Regarding genetic ethnicity, obviously Basques are Indo-European , the R1b -Spain group, which should reach the iberian peninsula and southern France less than 4000 years ago.
They do not speak Indo-European and they are Indo-European. That's the mystery.
My theory is this: The Basques descended from some Indo-European tribe (Celtic or Protoceltic) who were captured or enslaved by another not Indo-European ethnic group , Spanish Iberians probably, whose language was related to the Berber. Possibly adults were killed and those slaves grew speaking a mixture of languages: Celtic from their mothers, the Iberian from their captors and other languages spoken by other slaves.
Somehow , they managed to free themselves from their slavery and fled , settling down a few hundred or thousands in a very unpopulated area : western Pyrenees mountains. They lived there for centuries and Basque language developed, a koine, a mix was formed with influences of several languages: Celtic , Berber , Dogon.... and later Latin. Were known for their Celtic neighbors by name 'barscunes' , which means 'mountain communities' (bar-cume, group-mountain). The Basques did not have a name to define themselves.
The Basques were used by the Romans in I BC as auxiliary troops , probably to camp construction services and material transport. Arabs in the VIII AD told that Basques were very primitive people, and were unaware of or ceramic or treatment of metals.
In the IX AD Basques were used as mercenaries by the peninsular Christian kings in their internal struggles. Keep in mind that the Spanish Basques settled in their present territory between the V -VI AD centuries , displacing the Celts tribes of Caristios Varduli and Austrigones .
The archeology of the Spanish Basque Country shows Celtic remains , also place names. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.154.72.240 ( talk) 23:32, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
File:Euskal Herriaren Euler diagrama - Euler diagram of the Basque Country.jpg is very hard to understand; I think it's in Basque and not English? -- Beland ( talk) 17:57, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
Ez horregatik :) I've redone it using your suggestions to keep the font uniform. Akerbeltz ( talk) 21:14, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
The caption says "The enclaves of Valle de Villaverde and Treviño are pictured in red and blue, respectively." but I don't see them. It would help if they were labelled. Also, I think the part that claims only the "light yellow" regions are in France is incorrect. -- Beland ( talk) 18:00, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
Please do stop restoring an ungrounded statement that does not belong in the lead at any rate. It looks like WP:OR, and it is WP:VER. The statement ("Even though they are not necessarily synonyms, the concept of a single culturally Basque area spanning various regions and countries has been closely associated with the politics of Basque nationalism" is actually meaningless and looks pretty cacophonic, what does actually "the concept of a single culturally Basque" mean?? The Basque Country has been Euskal Herria, the country of the Basques, a natural community inhabiting this geographic area for ages, historically very homogeneous, but not totally of course.
So what does that statement mean apart from introducing noisy Spanish politics. Objections have been pointed at the end of the lead about a widespread identity different from the Basque especially at the south of Navarre. Iñaki LL ( talk) 20:37, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
Re this To begin with, most probably it would only encompass the Basque-speaking areas. That's pretty OR and somewhat odd. Assuming you mean the PNV/ETA type of nationalism with "nationalism", the nearest thing there was ever been to an independent Basque political entity is the Kingdom of Navarre which included quite a lot of areas in the south of Navarra which were at least weak in terms of Basque speakers and at times even areas which definitely weren't (such as the Rioja around 1000 AD). So the presence or absence of speakers in a hypothetical scenario is a double edged sword and in any case, making claims about what that might have meant is veeery hypothetical. Akerbeltz ( talk) 10:01, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
To user:Akerbeltz: there's no such thing as OR in a talk page; I was just trying to illustrate my point. -- Jotamar ( talk) 14:53, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
Getting back to the big picture: I try to put myself in the place of someone with no previous info about the subject. He wants to know what is Euskal Herria. The answer: it's the home of the Basque people. So he must use the link, and he reads this: The Basques are an indigenous ethnic group characterised by the Basque language, a common culture, and shared ancestry to the ancient Vascones and Aquitanians. So now things are very clear: exactly in the area represented in the map, all the people speak Basque, all have a common culture (whatever this might mean), and all have a common ancestry. He then visits the place, and arrives to the conclusion that WP is just a bunch of lies. What should we do. -- Jotamar ( talk) 15:05, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
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