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I don't think we need to turn wikipedia into Urban Dictionary. Gtwy ( talk) 02:26, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
What is "late capitalist femininity?" How would the author of that phrase even know that capitalism is in it's late stages? That's a Marxist assertion with few facts to back it. Conversely, there is a good case to be made that Marxism is "late." It reminds me of the joke: "God is dead" -Nietzsche. "NIetzsche is dead" -God. Wikipedia doesn't need post modernist claptrap. Let's just stick to the facts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.173.178.129 ( talk) 02:19, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
From the description, a "basic bitch" sounds very similar to an airhead, Essex girl or one of those fake preps from the early 2000s who thinks designer clothing and wealth are the key to popularity
This article is of a very poor quality. It contains a good portion of OR and switches back and fort between describing a phenomenon and a term. It says how "Basic bitches" are from American popular culture and then asserts that they often wear Australian boots. It asserts many things that can be linked to a great many people yet it describes a fairly new American-only term? It frankly makes no sense, and verifiability does not guarantee inclusion. Bataaf van Oranje ( talk) 13:29, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
I think it should be renamed to something like Fake preppy or airhead (subculture). Although the name is new, the description is identical to that of the shallow, mainstream rich girls of the 1990s who covered themselves in designer labels and judged people who looked different.
As there have been no objections since last month, I have changed the title of Basic Bitch to Airhead, which is slightly less sexist and recentist. It may be worth considering a merge of this article with Essex girl and Trixie (slang), similar materialistic and mainstream middle class subcultures dating back to the 80s.
This article is poorly written, of questionable relevance, and arguably contains various biases. It does not meet the standards of content for Wikipedia. As others have stated, this is a great article for Urban Dictionary. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.136.156.159 ( talk) 06:25, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
Their age, Dimadick. Teenagers in American high schools make up a minority of the world's population, and the Airheads form the conformist majority of this minority. Peace and love - Ossie.
If Airhead is not a teenage subculture, what is it? A clique? Slang? A stereotype? Perhaps it could be renamed to something better reflecting its relationship to the conformist majority similar to its 1950s predecessors the Squares and Socs?
How about Airhead (pejorative)? It would avoid the misogynistic connotations of Basic and the complications of defining a teenage minority subculture.
Or Airhead (slur), perhaps?
Does anyone else think this page should be retitled "basic", and "airhead" should re direct here? Everyone I know just says basic. Basic is the most prevalent word used to describe this page, "airhead" is only mentioned once in the references, and that's just the dictionary definition. "Basic" is mentioned 13 times.
21 June — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.171.164.61 ( talk) 16:52, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
Airhead is the original name for the subculture during the 90s and 2000s, before Basic Bitch was coined in 2011. I have thought about changing the name to something like Basic (subculture), Mean Girls, Rich Bitch, Brat, Borg, Clones, or Plastic subculture, but other wikipedia users will probably say these terms are subjective or derogatory and will delete or change the redirects as they previously did with popular clique. Airhead is the only name that doesn't have these issues. Peace and love - Ossie.
There is seemingly no reason to include a video made about the term at the height of its popularity in the introductory paragraph. There is no evidence that the CollegeHumor video contributed to the rise of the term, nor is it it's most notable use, especially if the trend is described as 2011 to 2014, with the video debuting in late 2014. Reference to the video in later sections is fine.
107.0.14.66 ( talk) 18:11, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
The commentary, " Ugg boots, often referenced in songs and cultural trend articles as a brand of footwear loved by so-called "basic women"." is not cited, what songs and cultural trends are making connections with the Ugg brand and airheads? The use of the words "basic women" is vague, bias, and may come off offensive. Besides that, the commentary is poorly written and may possibly be in poor taste, I recommend that picture as well as the commentary be deleted. Mwild22 ( talk) 07:15, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
That's what it's listed as on the disambiguation page and I don't see why it was changed. Slang is a more accurate descriptor. TheDracologist ( talk) 00:50, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
Fine with me. Does anyone else agree?
yes 71.198.104.218 ( talk) 01:23, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
While I can't deny that 'airhead', 'basic', etc are real slang terms, this article seems to be trying to cover too much, to the extent that it's useless. As far as I can tell, the subject of this stereotype is young women who are popular or who like popular things. That's so broad it's effectively meaningless. Hipster (contemporary subculture) has similar problems, but at least that article does focus on a particular subset of young people rather than young women in general. Robofish ( talk) 00:42, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 04:24, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
Airhead (subculture) → Basic (slang) – The vast majority of this article is about the slang term Basic, which is not at all synonymous with Airhead (except they're both commonly used to insult lame women). I don't see a point to creating a separate article about Airheads as that term doesn't seem unique or important enough on its own, being one of a number of terms to describe idiots, whereas Basic is very specific and thus has been written about for this reason. —Мандичка YO 😜 01:28, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
This is original research and as such not in itself justification for changing the article, but the term "airhead" was current when I was in high school in the 70s. The article states that it was coined in the late 80s, which is ten years off, minimum. It's also worth noting that in those days "airhead" could be applied to either gender, though the typical target was a girl, and originally bore little or no judgement; it just meant absent-minded, non-intellectual, or scatterbrained. (Similar to "bimbo", but significantly less abusive. In my day it was often used affectionately, as when a classmate's mother laughingly referred to her as an "airhead" in conversation with me and other friends.)
From there it's a short hop to "mindlessly follows the herd", which must be what ultimately happened to this term. Anyway, it's significantly older than this entry claims. Laodah 04:21, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
A portion of this YouTube video disputes the claim that Roland Powell (stage name Lil Duval) coined the term 'basic bitch,' and there is a case to question the veracity of it. The BuzzFeed News article backing up the claim that it originated in 2009 does not make the claim, rather it references a 2009 YouTube video of Powell to explain the term. (Shanspeare, of the first link, disputes that this is Powell, and says it is Spoken Reasons.) In addition, The Cut doesn't make the claim that Powell coined it, nor it say that the Urban Dictionary entry makes this claim either. The Time article does not mention Powell at all. Despite the failed verification, I'm hesitant to remove the sentence, because the entire section relies on it. I don't have confidence that the remainder of the section is accurate. SWinxy ( talk) 23:15, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
Basic was used as a person descriptor in 1992 on the show The Wonder Years, Season 5, Episode 6. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.49.20.127 ( talk) 09:22, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
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I don't think we need to turn wikipedia into Urban Dictionary. Gtwy ( talk) 02:26, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
What is "late capitalist femininity?" How would the author of that phrase even know that capitalism is in it's late stages? That's a Marxist assertion with few facts to back it. Conversely, there is a good case to be made that Marxism is "late." It reminds me of the joke: "God is dead" -Nietzsche. "NIetzsche is dead" -God. Wikipedia doesn't need post modernist claptrap. Let's just stick to the facts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.173.178.129 ( talk) 02:19, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
From the description, a "basic bitch" sounds very similar to an airhead, Essex girl or one of those fake preps from the early 2000s who thinks designer clothing and wealth are the key to popularity
This article is of a very poor quality. It contains a good portion of OR and switches back and fort between describing a phenomenon and a term. It says how "Basic bitches" are from American popular culture and then asserts that they often wear Australian boots. It asserts many things that can be linked to a great many people yet it describes a fairly new American-only term? It frankly makes no sense, and verifiability does not guarantee inclusion. Bataaf van Oranje ( talk) 13:29, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
I think it should be renamed to something like Fake preppy or airhead (subculture). Although the name is new, the description is identical to that of the shallow, mainstream rich girls of the 1990s who covered themselves in designer labels and judged people who looked different.
As there have been no objections since last month, I have changed the title of Basic Bitch to Airhead, which is slightly less sexist and recentist. It may be worth considering a merge of this article with Essex girl and Trixie (slang), similar materialistic and mainstream middle class subcultures dating back to the 80s.
This article is poorly written, of questionable relevance, and arguably contains various biases. It does not meet the standards of content for Wikipedia. As others have stated, this is a great article for Urban Dictionary. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.136.156.159 ( talk) 06:25, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
Their age, Dimadick. Teenagers in American high schools make up a minority of the world's population, and the Airheads form the conformist majority of this minority. Peace and love - Ossie.
If Airhead is not a teenage subculture, what is it? A clique? Slang? A stereotype? Perhaps it could be renamed to something better reflecting its relationship to the conformist majority similar to its 1950s predecessors the Squares and Socs?
How about Airhead (pejorative)? It would avoid the misogynistic connotations of Basic and the complications of defining a teenage minority subculture.
Or Airhead (slur), perhaps?
Does anyone else think this page should be retitled "basic", and "airhead" should re direct here? Everyone I know just says basic. Basic is the most prevalent word used to describe this page, "airhead" is only mentioned once in the references, and that's just the dictionary definition. "Basic" is mentioned 13 times.
21 June — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.171.164.61 ( talk) 16:52, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
Airhead is the original name for the subculture during the 90s and 2000s, before Basic Bitch was coined in 2011. I have thought about changing the name to something like Basic (subculture), Mean Girls, Rich Bitch, Brat, Borg, Clones, or Plastic subculture, but other wikipedia users will probably say these terms are subjective or derogatory and will delete or change the redirects as they previously did with popular clique. Airhead is the only name that doesn't have these issues. Peace and love - Ossie.
There is seemingly no reason to include a video made about the term at the height of its popularity in the introductory paragraph. There is no evidence that the CollegeHumor video contributed to the rise of the term, nor is it it's most notable use, especially if the trend is described as 2011 to 2014, with the video debuting in late 2014. Reference to the video in later sections is fine.
107.0.14.66 ( talk) 18:11, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
The commentary, " Ugg boots, often referenced in songs and cultural trend articles as a brand of footwear loved by so-called "basic women"." is not cited, what songs and cultural trends are making connections with the Ugg brand and airheads? The use of the words "basic women" is vague, bias, and may come off offensive. Besides that, the commentary is poorly written and may possibly be in poor taste, I recommend that picture as well as the commentary be deleted. Mwild22 ( talk) 07:15, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
That's what it's listed as on the disambiguation page and I don't see why it was changed. Slang is a more accurate descriptor. TheDracologist ( talk) 00:50, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
Fine with me. Does anyone else agree?
yes 71.198.104.218 ( talk) 01:23, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
While I can't deny that 'airhead', 'basic', etc are real slang terms, this article seems to be trying to cover too much, to the extent that it's useless. As far as I can tell, the subject of this stereotype is young women who are popular or who like popular things. That's so broad it's effectively meaningless. Hipster (contemporary subculture) has similar problems, but at least that article does focus on a particular subset of young people rather than young women in general. Robofish ( talk) 00:42, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 04:24, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
Airhead (subculture) → Basic (slang) – The vast majority of this article is about the slang term Basic, which is not at all synonymous with Airhead (except they're both commonly used to insult lame women). I don't see a point to creating a separate article about Airheads as that term doesn't seem unique or important enough on its own, being one of a number of terms to describe idiots, whereas Basic is very specific and thus has been written about for this reason. —Мандичка YO 😜 01:28, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
This is original research and as such not in itself justification for changing the article, but the term "airhead" was current when I was in high school in the 70s. The article states that it was coined in the late 80s, which is ten years off, minimum. It's also worth noting that in those days "airhead" could be applied to either gender, though the typical target was a girl, and originally bore little or no judgement; it just meant absent-minded, non-intellectual, or scatterbrained. (Similar to "bimbo", but significantly less abusive. In my day it was often used affectionately, as when a classmate's mother laughingly referred to her as an "airhead" in conversation with me and other friends.)
From there it's a short hop to "mindlessly follows the herd", which must be what ultimately happened to this term. Anyway, it's significantly older than this entry claims. Laodah 04:21, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
A portion of this YouTube video disputes the claim that Roland Powell (stage name Lil Duval) coined the term 'basic bitch,' and there is a case to question the veracity of it. The BuzzFeed News article backing up the claim that it originated in 2009 does not make the claim, rather it references a 2009 YouTube video of Powell to explain the term. (Shanspeare, of the first link, disputes that this is Powell, and says it is Spoken Reasons.) In addition, The Cut doesn't make the claim that Powell coined it, nor it say that the Urban Dictionary entry makes this claim either. The Time article does not mention Powell at all. Despite the failed verification, I'm hesitant to remove the sentence, because the entire section relies on it. I don't have confidence that the remainder of the section is accurate. SWinxy ( talk) 23:15, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
Basic was used as a person descriptor in 1992 on the show The Wonder Years, Season 5, Episode 6. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.49.20.127 ( talk) 09:22, 6 September 2023 (UTC)