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If anyone has access to the following (all of which are cited for additional information in Oregon Geographic Names), it would really help this article:
— Twisted86 - Talk - at 06:57, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
A map would be a great addition too. Katr67 14:41, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
Excellent! This map is a major improvement, thanks for taking the time to do that. A few observations:
I can help with this work if you like, my email is first@firstlast.com (sorry, wary of spam harvesters, but you should be able to figure that out!) - Pete 18:33, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
A photo of some the wagon ruts would be excellent, too. — Twisted86 - Talk - at 08:06, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
This article needs some sections. Here's a few suggestions.
Amen on this---with respect the east side Rvannatta 01:31, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
- Pete 21:12, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
Someone added this to the article:
I'm having trouble resolving this with the data I've encountered, so it's removed from the article unless someone can substantiate it. Many of the bridges and ferries before the Barlow Road had toll charges of about the same price. For example, to cross the Deschutes, Sherar's Bridge charged $7.75 for a party including S. B. Eakin, and Olney's ferry charged $3 per wagon. [1] References in the article give the price of a boat ride down the Columbia to be anywhere from $50 to $80. I suppose the really poor might build a raft and float, but I haven't seen anything written like that. — EncMstr 05:18, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
What hasn't been picked up is how the use of the road evolved over time. It was one thing in the early years, but as time went on first a short railroad was built around Cascade locks, and ultimately a railroad all the way through, well before the toll road ceased. It's end matches about the time the Columbia River highway was opened. Rvannatta 06:15, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
Is the Barlow Road behind or to the left? The angle of the sign makes it unclear. -- NE2 10:31, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
this web site tells the story of the blazing of the trail, which I've seen repeated in several places. But I can't understand how this jives with the geography:
“ | Following an Indian trail, Barlow managed to get his wagons about halfway around the mountain before being forced to admit defeat. At the crest of the Cascade Mountains, Joel Palmer climbed the glacier now named for him and scouted a route off the mountain. Palmer saw that there was little chance of getting the wagons through, so the party sent some of their wagons back to The Dalles and cached the rest of their possessions at a spot they christened Fort Deposit. Most of the party and their livestock was able to enter the Willamette Valley by following the Lolo Pass Trail, an old Indian trail around the northwest flank of Mt. Hood that was too narrow and steep to allow wagons to pass. Thus free to proceed on foot, Palmer, Barlow, and Barlow's eldest son attempted to walk off the mountain. | ” |
The Barlow Road crosses the south side of Mt. Hood, and Lolo Pass is way around the north side. I can't imagine how Lolo Pass could have helped them get around the mountain in any way, it would have led them in totally the wrong direction (back toward Hood River), and would have been more treacherous than the present Barlow Road, it wouldn't have led them toward Oregon City, and it wouldn't have allowed them to "blaze" the trail that became the Barlow Road. Finally, Lolo Pass is not visible from Palmer Glacier, which is on the south side of Mt. Hood.
Anyone know what to make of this? - Pete 17:13, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
I read that a little differently, i.e. that they tried to go around the south side, failed, and retreated back around to the east side where the party split--- some returning to the Dalles and some taking Lolo pass around the north side.
Logic tells me that they had some knowledge of Lolo pass before doing what they did, as sort of out of the box one would think and assume that a northern route would be easier than trying to go all the way around the south side of the mountain. Implicit in their actions was knowledge that they knew of the northern route, but rejected it initially in hopes of an easier route on the south. Rvannatta 03:45, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
OGN locates Lolo pass as a 3400 foot pass on the summit of the Cascades 2 miles south of Bull Run Lake. --- the name 'Lolo' is assigned by the USFS meaning that it is a more recent addition. OGN says you get to the pass from the west by going up 'Clear Fork of the Sandy river'. Rvannatta 00:13, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
Someone made a suggestion for the article to contain a comparative timeline which illustrates the environment in which the Barlow Road existed. I've grabbed a few items, some of which might not be suitable, and no doubt missing many.
date | event | refs |
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1792 | William Broughton of Captain Vancouver's expedition sails up the Columbia | |
1806 | Lewis and Clark Expedition | |
1810 | Astor Expedition | |
1825 | Fort Vancouver established, Hudson's Bay Company controls fur trade | |
1842 | Elm Grove Expedition: First wagon train on Oregon Trail | |
1843 | provisional government organized land claims | |
1845 | President James K. Polk's inauguration address inspires emigration | [2] |
1845 | more than 3000 persons emigrate to Oregon Territory | |
1846 | Barlow Road opens, Applegate Trail opens | |
1850 | Census reports 11,873 people living south of Columbia River—only 220 north of river | [3] |
1850 | Donation Land Claim Act established | |
1851 | mule-pulled, wooden rail portage built around Great Cascades at Stevenson, Washington | [4] [5] |
1850s | Hood River, Oregon apple cultivation begins | |
1853 | Washington Territory established by congress | |
1854 | land claims no longer free | |
1855 | portage railroad on south side of Cascade Locks, powered by horse-drawn carts | [6] |
1859 | Oregon statehood | |
1862-04-24 | Oregon Pony and Oregon Steam Navigation Company portage between steamboat landings the first NW steam locomotive at Cascade Locks | [7] [8] |
1863-04-20 | Washington side of Cascade Locks steam engine begins extended six mile line | [9] [10] |
1868 | Santiam Wagon Road complete | |
1869 | First Transcontinental Railroad opens | |
1870 | Northern Pacific Railroad connects Vancouver to Puget Sound | [11] |
1872 | Oregon legislature makes appropriation to build a road through the gorge | [12] |
1873 | Minto Pass discovered | (Palmer, p. 125) |
1882-11-20 | rail line on Oregon side of gorge completed between Portland and Blue Mountain, Oregon | [13] [14] |
1883 | Northern Pacific completes transcontinental railway to Portland from St. Paul, Minnesota | [15] |
1890 | census reports Washington state population 18,000; Clarke County 11,000 | [16] |
1896-11-05 | Cascade Locks opens | [17] |
1900 | census reports Washington State population 500,000 and Clarke County 13,419 | [18] |
1907 | Oregon Steam Navigation ceases Cascade Portage Railroad operation due to Transcontinental railroad on south shore | [19] |
1908 | rail bridge completed across Columbia at Vancouver replaces ferries | [20] |
1916 | Columbia River Highway opens in Multnomah County, paved from Portland to Multnomah Falls | [21] |
1917 | Highway bridge opens across Columbia Portland-Vancouver | [22] |
1919 | Barlow road donated to Oregon, toll ends | |
1920 | Pacific Highway aka Highway 99 paved | [23] |
1923 | Oregon legislature designates "Old Oregon Trail" and approves signage | [24] |
1938 | Bonneville Dam completed | |
1986 | Columbia River Gorge National Scenic Area established | [25] |
If someone can find them, a graph of the number of people using the Barlow Road each year would be very interesting contrasted against this sort of information. — EncMstr 07:02, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
Very interesting article! Let me know when all the changes are made. — Rob ( talk) 04:32, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
The article on " Laurel forest" makes it clear that the reference to such a forest around Mt. Hood is ... aaaah.... not right.
Does this refer to thickets of Rhododendron macrophyllum, perhaps? Note that a thick stand of this rhododendron would not constitute a laurel forest, the key feature of which is the presence of members of the Lauraceae. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Floozybackloves ( talk • contribs) 00:28, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
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If anyone has access to the following (all of which are cited for additional information in Oregon Geographic Names), it would really help this article:
— Twisted86 - Talk - at 06:57, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
A map would be a great addition too. Katr67 14:41, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
Excellent! This map is a major improvement, thanks for taking the time to do that. A few observations:
I can help with this work if you like, my email is first@firstlast.com (sorry, wary of spam harvesters, but you should be able to figure that out!) - Pete 18:33, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
A photo of some the wagon ruts would be excellent, too. — Twisted86 - Talk - at 08:06, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
This article needs some sections. Here's a few suggestions.
Amen on this---with respect the east side Rvannatta 01:31, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
- Pete 21:12, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
Someone added this to the article:
I'm having trouble resolving this with the data I've encountered, so it's removed from the article unless someone can substantiate it. Many of the bridges and ferries before the Barlow Road had toll charges of about the same price. For example, to cross the Deschutes, Sherar's Bridge charged $7.75 for a party including S. B. Eakin, and Olney's ferry charged $3 per wagon. [1] References in the article give the price of a boat ride down the Columbia to be anywhere from $50 to $80. I suppose the really poor might build a raft and float, but I haven't seen anything written like that. — EncMstr 05:18, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
What hasn't been picked up is how the use of the road evolved over time. It was one thing in the early years, but as time went on first a short railroad was built around Cascade locks, and ultimately a railroad all the way through, well before the toll road ceased. It's end matches about the time the Columbia River highway was opened. Rvannatta 06:15, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
Is the Barlow Road behind or to the left? The angle of the sign makes it unclear. -- NE2 10:31, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
this web site tells the story of the blazing of the trail, which I've seen repeated in several places. But I can't understand how this jives with the geography:
“ | Following an Indian trail, Barlow managed to get his wagons about halfway around the mountain before being forced to admit defeat. At the crest of the Cascade Mountains, Joel Palmer climbed the glacier now named for him and scouted a route off the mountain. Palmer saw that there was little chance of getting the wagons through, so the party sent some of their wagons back to The Dalles and cached the rest of their possessions at a spot they christened Fort Deposit. Most of the party and their livestock was able to enter the Willamette Valley by following the Lolo Pass Trail, an old Indian trail around the northwest flank of Mt. Hood that was too narrow and steep to allow wagons to pass. Thus free to proceed on foot, Palmer, Barlow, and Barlow's eldest son attempted to walk off the mountain. | ” |
The Barlow Road crosses the south side of Mt. Hood, and Lolo Pass is way around the north side. I can't imagine how Lolo Pass could have helped them get around the mountain in any way, it would have led them in totally the wrong direction (back toward Hood River), and would have been more treacherous than the present Barlow Road, it wouldn't have led them toward Oregon City, and it wouldn't have allowed them to "blaze" the trail that became the Barlow Road. Finally, Lolo Pass is not visible from Palmer Glacier, which is on the south side of Mt. Hood.
Anyone know what to make of this? - Pete 17:13, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
I read that a little differently, i.e. that they tried to go around the south side, failed, and retreated back around to the east side where the party split--- some returning to the Dalles and some taking Lolo pass around the north side.
Logic tells me that they had some knowledge of Lolo pass before doing what they did, as sort of out of the box one would think and assume that a northern route would be easier than trying to go all the way around the south side of the mountain. Implicit in their actions was knowledge that they knew of the northern route, but rejected it initially in hopes of an easier route on the south. Rvannatta 03:45, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
OGN locates Lolo pass as a 3400 foot pass on the summit of the Cascades 2 miles south of Bull Run Lake. --- the name 'Lolo' is assigned by the USFS meaning that it is a more recent addition. OGN says you get to the pass from the west by going up 'Clear Fork of the Sandy river'. Rvannatta 00:13, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
Someone made a suggestion for the article to contain a comparative timeline which illustrates the environment in which the Barlow Road existed. I've grabbed a few items, some of which might not be suitable, and no doubt missing many.
date | event | refs |
---|---|---|
1792 | William Broughton of Captain Vancouver's expedition sails up the Columbia | |
1806 | Lewis and Clark Expedition | |
1810 | Astor Expedition | |
1825 | Fort Vancouver established, Hudson's Bay Company controls fur trade | |
1842 | Elm Grove Expedition: First wagon train on Oregon Trail | |
1843 | provisional government organized land claims | |
1845 | President James K. Polk's inauguration address inspires emigration | [2] |
1845 | more than 3000 persons emigrate to Oregon Territory | |
1846 | Barlow Road opens, Applegate Trail opens | |
1850 | Census reports 11,873 people living south of Columbia River—only 220 north of river | [3] |
1850 | Donation Land Claim Act established | |
1851 | mule-pulled, wooden rail portage built around Great Cascades at Stevenson, Washington | [4] [5] |
1850s | Hood River, Oregon apple cultivation begins | |
1853 | Washington Territory established by congress | |
1854 | land claims no longer free | |
1855 | portage railroad on south side of Cascade Locks, powered by horse-drawn carts | [6] |
1859 | Oregon statehood | |
1862-04-24 | Oregon Pony and Oregon Steam Navigation Company portage between steamboat landings the first NW steam locomotive at Cascade Locks | [7] [8] |
1863-04-20 | Washington side of Cascade Locks steam engine begins extended six mile line | [9] [10] |
1868 | Santiam Wagon Road complete | |
1869 | First Transcontinental Railroad opens | |
1870 | Northern Pacific Railroad connects Vancouver to Puget Sound | [11] |
1872 | Oregon legislature makes appropriation to build a road through the gorge | [12] |
1873 | Minto Pass discovered | (Palmer, p. 125) |
1882-11-20 | rail line on Oregon side of gorge completed between Portland and Blue Mountain, Oregon | [13] [14] |
1883 | Northern Pacific completes transcontinental railway to Portland from St. Paul, Minnesota | [15] |
1890 | census reports Washington state population 18,000; Clarke County 11,000 | [16] |
1896-11-05 | Cascade Locks opens | [17] |
1900 | census reports Washington State population 500,000 and Clarke County 13,419 | [18] |
1907 | Oregon Steam Navigation ceases Cascade Portage Railroad operation due to Transcontinental railroad on south shore | [19] |
1908 | rail bridge completed across Columbia at Vancouver replaces ferries | [20] |
1916 | Columbia River Highway opens in Multnomah County, paved from Portland to Multnomah Falls | [21] |
1917 | Highway bridge opens across Columbia Portland-Vancouver | [22] |
1919 | Barlow road donated to Oregon, toll ends | |
1920 | Pacific Highway aka Highway 99 paved | [23] |
1923 | Oregon legislature designates "Old Oregon Trail" and approves signage | [24] |
1938 | Bonneville Dam completed | |
1986 | Columbia River Gorge National Scenic Area established | [25] |
If someone can find them, a graph of the number of people using the Barlow Road each year would be very interesting contrasted against this sort of information. — EncMstr 07:02, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
Very interesting article! Let me know when all the changes are made. — Rob ( talk) 04:32, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
The article on " Laurel forest" makes it clear that the reference to such a forest around Mt. Hood is ... aaaah.... not right.
Does this refer to thickets of Rhododendron macrophyllum, perhaps? Note that a thick stand of this rhododendron would not constitute a laurel forest, the key feature of which is the presence of members of the Lauraceae. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Floozybackloves ( talk • contribs) 00:28, 10 September 2010 (UTC)