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Bard was on the list of schools in NYC. It most definitely is not in NYC. Unless of course Vassar and Marist are in NYC too, but I certainly thought Dutchess County was a bit more north.
Surgo, I think you might have interpreted my description of the Free Press as "generally more radical than" as pejorative, but it was not. Unless things have changed a ton in the time I left Bard, you'll find very few people making the claim that the Free Press isn't more radical than the Observer, including most of the Free Press staff. The reporting and editorial content consistently brings to light less established left-wing voices, Palestinian rights, and far more protest coverage than the Observer, and they rely far more heavily on organizations like indymedia.org to fill out their news.
If others disagree, I'll withdraw my claim, but either way I think it's worth inserting a descriptive word or two distinguishing the two papers. - Toscaesque 05:36, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
I'm reverting the deletion of the info about the US News & World Report ranking, as it seems to be a relevant piece of information. If there is some reason why it should be deleted, please say so in the edit summary. wilhelm 14:52, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
I don't want to offend any debate team members, but is it really a prominent enough club to devote this much space? If no one objects, I'd like to remove or at least seriously edit down that part of the section. - Toscaesque 19:28, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
Well, it is a very accomplished club, and does phenomenonally well in debates... 72.90.146.5 01:35, 10 August 2006 (UTC)Emili
Good photos able to be found here: http://contentdm.senylrc.org/cdm4/browse.php?CISOROOT=/bard&CISOSTART=1,21.
Among the student population, drug abuse (particularly use of marijuana) was not long ago ranked by Princeton review as among the highest in the country. Though it is still comparitively accepted by the student community, use of illicit substances is considered unacceptable by the administration of the college. In 2006, this resulted in a crackdown (spearheaded by Erin Canaan and former Director of Residence Life, Fred Barnes) characterized by a series of highly suspect interrogations, and a purge of the student drug-culture, in which a number of students were expelled, and there arose a stricter enforcement of the official policy of proscription.
There's a lot in here that's very POV. Please tone it down. Toscaesque 16:24, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
I moved the following section here until it can be verified by a reliable source--some links to a message board doesn't cut it, unfortunately. Toscaesque 05:40, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
A lot of college pages have descriptions of student housing. I'm not sure what everyone's views are on the necessity of such descriptions, but I know that, for example, Vassar gives descriptions of all of its dorms, and I think could conceivably be of interest. Perhaps someone who knows a bit about the dorms (I'm not scheduled to move in until the 12th; class of '10 here) could do a write-up? Or are we of the opinion that such things aren't encyclopedic? Burndownthedisco talk 20:39, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
Shouldn't there be more of a description of the links between Bard and Simon's Rock College of Bard and between Bard and Bard High School Early College/ the role Bard played in "whatever"ing them, because it is not clear. I have already included external links at the bottom of the pages.
Sorry, this is not a statement of fact, and does not belong in an encyclopedia article.
This is simply because the word "top" is not well-defined and entirely subjective. just the facts, please. Daqu 06:42, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
citations needed, or this could be libelous. Also, who is Hannah Schneider?? raining girl 18:49, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
Does anyone have a better picture for the inset? The one I put there is beyond awful. I wasn't expecting it would stay there for so long. Toscaesque 16:10, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
I don't think that section is really necessary, considering Ann Coulter's obvious (and self-declared) extreme right-leaning point of view. Her argument seems pretty much unbalanced and pointless. Hellgi 17:14, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Here's the paragraph in question. It's funny, when I wrote it, I thought I would get slammed for having a left wing POV:
Graduates: Though Fiona Quirk-Goldblatt did recently graduate from Bard, she is not a popular song writer and did not compose "The Lady in Red" or "Tonight's the Night." I don't know if her inclusion in the list is something she is aware of or if she's part of the joke. 24.3.249.166 17:08, 1 June 2007 (UTC) LWS
I think any red wikilinks without bracketed clarification (eg the guy from The Walkmen) should be deleted. I guess Im not feeling bold on a page for such a large university. Anyone object? Metao 01:18, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
i agree. just did it. -A
The bit about William and Mary is in specific referance to former Bard faculty not William and Mary College so I removed that missinformation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.199.227.64 ( talk) 00:01, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
why do you crappy liberal arts schools aways insist on putting the word "selective" all over your college's wiki? it's just embarrassing. i could delete it, but why should i do you morons any favors? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.193.220.131 ( talk) 00:07, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
could we remove "selectivity" once and for all. Obviously it's subjective. It just makes the entry look like an advertisement from the admissions office. It should be with the US News ranking crap at the bottom of the page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.69.133.211 ( talk) 18:53, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm taking "selective" out of the lead since it is a subjective and imprecise term. See WP:PEACOCK and WP:WEASEL. Madcoverboy ( talk) 15:11, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
Putting it under "admissions" seems like a good place for it to go -- and it is sourced. A potential student would learn, at a minimum, what others think. 65.74.25.151 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 07:16, 28 May 2009 (UTC).
The lists of alumni/faculty are getting pretty unwieldy. I suggest breaking these out into separate articles, and replacing them with paragraphs on the most notable (Chevy Chase, Christopher Guest, Herb Ritts, Chinua Achebe, etc). I would do it, but I'm about to go sledding. That's what you get with collaborative media I suppose. Toscaesque ( talk) 00:15, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
I recently removed the "In popular culture" section of this article, claiming that it is "largely unsourced and entirely trivial." Single-purpose editor Jr991999 reverted my edit, claiming that "Quite a few college pages have similar 'in popular culture pages' [sic]".
First, although it is true that many other articles have similar sections, that in itself is not justification for including one in this article. Further, such an assertion does nothing to address either of the important issues that I brought up in my edit summary, namely that the section is largely unsupported by references and all of the material is too trivial to warrant inclusion in an encyclopedia article.
Second, these sections - particularly when they devolve into a list of trivial mentions - are specifically discouraged by many and for good reason. Most applicable to this particular article is the guideline regarding the contents of college and university articles which states that "[In popular culture sections] should not be a trivia list or section, but rather a collection of analyses regarding the university's role in popular culture using reliable sources." The list of disconnected bullet points in this article in no way resembles analyses nor does it use reliable sources. ElKevbo ( talk) 08:53, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
I've copied some of this from my User Talk page to this location so other editors can more easily participate in the discussion.
Hi ElKevbo, just wondering, where did the Daily Beast copy its information from? If it's true, that's quite interesting as I have not seen any references to the original on the webpage. You mentioned that in the deletion of the ranking. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jr991999 ( talk • contribs) 01:22, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
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Bard was on the list of schools in NYC. It most definitely is not in NYC. Unless of course Vassar and Marist are in NYC too, but I certainly thought Dutchess County was a bit more north.
Surgo, I think you might have interpreted my description of the Free Press as "generally more radical than" as pejorative, but it was not. Unless things have changed a ton in the time I left Bard, you'll find very few people making the claim that the Free Press isn't more radical than the Observer, including most of the Free Press staff. The reporting and editorial content consistently brings to light less established left-wing voices, Palestinian rights, and far more protest coverage than the Observer, and they rely far more heavily on organizations like indymedia.org to fill out their news.
If others disagree, I'll withdraw my claim, but either way I think it's worth inserting a descriptive word or two distinguishing the two papers. - Toscaesque 05:36, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
I'm reverting the deletion of the info about the US News & World Report ranking, as it seems to be a relevant piece of information. If there is some reason why it should be deleted, please say so in the edit summary. wilhelm 14:52, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
I don't want to offend any debate team members, but is it really a prominent enough club to devote this much space? If no one objects, I'd like to remove or at least seriously edit down that part of the section. - Toscaesque 19:28, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
Well, it is a very accomplished club, and does phenomenonally well in debates... 72.90.146.5 01:35, 10 August 2006 (UTC)Emili
Good photos able to be found here: http://contentdm.senylrc.org/cdm4/browse.php?CISOROOT=/bard&CISOSTART=1,21.
Among the student population, drug abuse (particularly use of marijuana) was not long ago ranked by Princeton review as among the highest in the country. Though it is still comparitively accepted by the student community, use of illicit substances is considered unacceptable by the administration of the college. In 2006, this resulted in a crackdown (spearheaded by Erin Canaan and former Director of Residence Life, Fred Barnes) characterized by a series of highly suspect interrogations, and a purge of the student drug-culture, in which a number of students were expelled, and there arose a stricter enforcement of the official policy of proscription.
There's a lot in here that's very POV. Please tone it down. Toscaesque 16:24, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
I moved the following section here until it can be verified by a reliable source--some links to a message board doesn't cut it, unfortunately. Toscaesque 05:40, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
A lot of college pages have descriptions of student housing. I'm not sure what everyone's views are on the necessity of such descriptions, but I know that, for example, Vassar gives descriptions of all of its dorms, and I think could conceivably be of interest. Perhaps someone who knows a bit about the dorms (I'm not scheduled to move in until the 12th; class of '10 here) could do a write-up? Or are we of the opinion that such things aren't encyclopedic? Burndownthedisco talk 20:39, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
Shouldn't there be more of a description of the links between Bard and Simon's Rock College of Bard and between Bard and Bard High School Early College/ the role Bard played in "whatever"ing them, because it is not clear. I have already included external links at the bottom of the pages.
Sorry, this is not a statement of fact, and does not belong in an encyclopedia article.
This is simply because the word "top" is not well-defined and entirely subjective. just the facts, please. Daqu 06:42, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
citations needed, or this could be libelous. Also, who is Hannah Schneider?? raining girl 18:49, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
Does anyone have a better picture for the inset? The one I put there is beyond awful. I wasn't expecting it would stay there for so long. Toscaesque 16:10, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
I don't think that section is really necessary, considering Ann Coulter's obvious (and self-declared) extreme right-leaning point of view. Her argument seems pretty much unbalanced and pointless. Hellgi 17:14, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Here's the paragraph in question. It's funny, when I wrote it, I thought I would get slammed for having a left wing POV:
Graduates: Though Fiona Quirk-Goldblatt did recently graduate from Bard, she is not a popular song writer and did not compose "The Lady in Red" or "Tonight's the Night." I don't know if her inclusion in the list is something she is aware of or if she's part of the joke. 24.3.249.166 17:08, 1 June 2007 (UTC) LWS
I think any red wikilinks without bracketed clarification (eg the guy from The Walkmen) should be deleted. I guess Im not feeling bold on a page for such a large university. Anyone object? Metao 01:18, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
i agree. just did it. -A
The bit about William and Mary is in specific referance to former Bard faculty not William and Mary College so I removed that missinformation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.199.227.64 ( talk) 00:01, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
why do you crappy liberal arts schools aways insist on putting the word "selective" all over your college's wiki? it's just embarrassing. i could delete it, but why should i do you morons any favors? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.193.220.131 ( talk) 00:07, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
could we remove "selectivity" once and for all. Obviously it's subjective. It just makes the entry look like an advertisement from the admissions office. It should be with the US News ranking crap at the bottom of the page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.69.133.211 ( talk) 18:53, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm taking "selective" out of the lead since it is a subjective and imprecise term. See WP:PEACOCK and WP:WEASEL. Madcoverboy ( talk) 15:11, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
Putting it under "admissions" seems like a good place for it to go -- and it is sourced. A potential student would learn, at a minimum, what others think. 65.74.25.151 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 07:16, 28 May 2009 (UTC).
The lists of alumni/faculty are getting pretty unwieldy. I suggest breaking these out into separate articles, and replacing them with paragraphs on the most notable (Chevy Chase, Christopher Guest, Herb Ritts, Chinua Achebe, etc). I would do it, but I'm about to go sledding. That's what you get with collaborative media I suppose. Toscaesque ( talk) 00:15, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
I recently removed the "In popular culture" section of this article, claiming that it is "largely unsourced and entirely trivial." Single-purpose editor Jr991999 reverted my edit, claiming that "Quite a few college pages have similar 'in popular culture pages' [sic]".
First, although it is true that many other articles have similar sections, that in itself is not justification for including one in this article. Further, such an assertion does nothing to address either of the important issues that I brought up in my edit summary, namely that the section is largely unsupported by references and all of the material is too trivial to warrant inclusion in an encyclopedia article.
Second, these sections - particularly when they devolve into a list of trivial mentions - are specifically discouraged by many and for good reason. Most applicable to this particular article is the guideline regarding the contents of college and university articles which states that "[In popular culture sections] should not be a trivia list or section, but rather a collection of analyses regarding the university's role in popular culture using reliable sources." The list of disconnected bullet points in this article in no way resembles analyses nor does it use reliable sources. ElKevbo ( talk) 08:53, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
I've copied some of this from my User Talk page to this location so other editors can more easily participate in the discussion.
Hi ElKevbo, just wondering, where did the Daily Beast copy its information from? If it's true, that's quite interesting as I have not seen any references to the original on the webpage. You mentioned that in the deletion of the ranking. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jr991999 ( talk • contribs) 01:22, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
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In any case, one editor believes that this information should be added to the article. Another editor disagrees. It's unacceptable for the first editor to edit war to try to force the information into the article. This is especially true when the article has been relatively stable for many years and the initial editor has not yet attempted any discussion. ElKevbo ( talk) 19:39, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
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