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Since the BDB team is very concerned with their corporate structure being described correctly, here is the text from a court order from the U.S. District Court for the District of Nevada:
Source: [1] That's a court order by a judge, not a filing. It reflects what the SEC, the CFTC, and the Federal courts were able to determine. If any of that was wrong, Banc De Binary had a chance to correct it before that order was issued. So that can be treated as a reliable source. I suggest updating the article to match. Thanks. -- John Nagle ( talk) 20:18, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
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See the last 2 paragraphs at Wikipedia Strengthens Rules Against Undisclosed Editing Smallbones( smalltalk) 18:42, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
Could we have a short sentence about this in? It seems to have been uncontroversial here. Pinkbeast ( talk) 10:04, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
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This talk page is insane. All of the crud introduced by COI editors and responses by volunteers retards the improvement of this article. What's the best way to at least get a respite (6 months?) from the depradations of the COI's? Back to ANI? -- Hobbes Goodyear ( talk) 02:11, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
I have made an edit to this fully-protected article because it doesn't seem to have anything to do with the full-protection dispute.
Per OTRS ticket 2014061810015646 initiated by Roy Ogen, I have removed his name from the infobox. He no longer works there, and I confirmed this from his own LinkedIn page.
In the same edit I removed Sarah Fenwick also, per OTRS ticket 2014061810006129 initiated by Ms Fenwick. She also says she no longer works there. Her LinkedIn page confirms that this company is a past client of hers. ~ Amatulić ( talk) 20:50, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
Wouldn't it be accurate to include in this article the informations from independent secondary sources (such as The Wall Street Journal, Al Jazeera or Slate) about the consequences of the actions of the Banc De Binary's paid editors on this article? El Comandante ( talk) 08:07, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
I intend to remove the sentence which says A 2013 investigation by the British Daily Mail newspaper journalist Tony Hetherington alleged that one client had $25,000 stolen from his bank account after signing up with them. on the basis this is not what the source says (suggesting original research/synthesis), and that in any case, the Daily Mail is not generally considered a reliable source (per discussions above). If there are any objections or someone would like to provide revised wording and sourcing, please list them below. Nick ( talk) 00:25, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
Disagree - It's misleading to simply describe The Daily Mail as an unreliable tabloid as this is a well written article which gives adequate weight to the companies response. It doesn't say that Banc de Binary repaid the money. As the money was taken without permission from the account Lloyds TSB were legally obliged to refund it, and they would have taken further steps to find where it had gone. Padillah can do a search for 'Banc de Binary Scam' and they'll find numerous similar things online about Banc de Binary. I'm more uncomfortable about the sudden appearance of Nick announcing this, as it reminds me of CorporateM's also mysterious and sudden appearance to announce Edits. I'd leave it where it is as it is quite fairly stated and previous editors all said it was well sourced.
When are we going to add the detail about Banc de Binary's attempt to pay someone $10k to edit, which hit the press, into the article. Has Sarah Fenwick really left the company, she still seems to be making ahead of the week video reports for them. Can the company really be described as Cypriot and not Cypriot-Israeli bearing in mind that that we already put a link to a photo on this page of their Israeli HQ and that the various affiliated companies all do the same thing, are simply a way of them allowing to trade in different geographical areas such as the EU or outside the EU. As far as I can see ET Binary Options is still based in the Diamond District in Ramat Gan, Israel and it is this building which we put a link to the photo of, which appears to have the Banc de Binary logo on the outside of, this proving they are based there. ET Binary options are still posting job ads for sales reps on their Facebook wall, showing that this is where the calls are made from. Quite telling that they are looking for people who can speak many different languages, as Banc de Binary's site is in this too. HistorianofRecenttimes ( talk) 01:20, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
Something went wrong here. Amatulic's edit in response to this request [10] distorted the passage so as to make it say that the journalist claimed BdB took that money from his own account, rather than from some other anonymous complainant. I've removed the sentence for the time being. Fut.Perf. ☼ 07:49, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
There's another article by Tony Hetheringdon of the Daily Mail. [11]. Another victim who thought Banc de Binary was really in the US.
Then there's this: "CySec issues warning to investors about Banc De Binary ancillary website" [12]. It's a blog, which links to another blog with a dead link. so that's useless as a source, but maybe there's a better reference for what, if anything, CySec did. -- John Nagle ( talk) 06:27, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
I've done a bit of reorganizing. As I see it, the main problem was that there was a big chunk of text in the lead describing BDB's regulatory travails. In my opinion that was just banging them over the head too much. So I replaced with a summary sentence and moved it to the "regulatory issues" section. Also I put "products and services" first, so that readers understand what these folks do. Then I merged the "regulation" section, which wasn't necessary and simply needed to be part of the "history" section. There are other issues as well, such as jargon and dense writing. Coretheapple ( talk) 14:50, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
Oh and I took out a line in which the Daily Mail calls them a "betting parlor" or something like that. This is a tabloid and I'm not comfortable with using their characterizations. We have a description from the WSJ already and that will suffice. Coretheapple ( talk) 14:52, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
Also I should mention that I removed the NPOV tag as there was no talk page discussion to justify it. I think that removing the block of text in the lead on their regulatory issues actually helps a lot in that regard. If anyone wants to of course they can reinstate the tag. Coretheapple ( talk) 14:56, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
I have consolidated all the negative stuff about this company into the "regulatory issues" section. Now, there is no question that this company is notable because of its negative news. I am fully acquainted with the fact that it is barred from doing business in the United States. I know that the Better Business Bureau hates them. I know all that stuff. But I think that we have to condense this section a bit. I could go ahead and boldly do it but I'd like to get some input from everybody about that general concept. I realize that there are some articles that are predominantly negative, and I'm not saying that this article shouldn't be one of them. But I do think that we need to consider carefully a reduction in the size, perhaps omitting some details, of all the negative stuff. Also, as a side issue, we need to fix some of the jargon and wordiness. Comments? Coretheapple ( talk) 22:43, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
BDB is a Fraud company and has been cheating people worldwide including me, I have been cheated 15,000 USD in October 2016. I have filed a case against them with Israel police and Cyprus Police along with Israel Security Authority. BDB is unethical company and makes money by cheating people in the name of investments. Please beware of this money making scams — Preceding unsigned comment added by JKSabbandra ( talk • contribs) 09:08, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
I've also archived but if anyone objects <sigh>, go ahead and unarchive and restore the fifty Berlin Walls of text. Coretheapple ( talk) 23:02, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
Re Huon's recent edit, do you think we might have something about how they provide such services to "other" binary options brokers, leaving out the 170? I agree the text removed was inappropriate, but I think the point that Spotoption (as far as we know) isn't a BdB cutout is significant. Pinkbeast ( talk) 14:43, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
The SEC won an initial summary judgement. [22]. Litigation continues.
There's an "Statement of Uncontroverted Facts in Support of Plaintiff Securities and Exchange Commission" (case document 79-2) available, but you have to go to Pacer to get it. This comes from depositions of Owen Laurent: "According to Mr. Laurent, he and his father own the Banc de Binary Group. ... Mr. Laurent is the founder, president and chief executive officer of BdB Ltd. ... Mr. Laurent is the 50% shareholder of BdB Ltd; the other 50% shareholder is his father." All the businesses of the BdB group were owned by Laurent and/or his father. We have in the article that Laurent owned 50%; now we know who owns the other half.
Other than Offshore Alert, no press source has picked up on this yet. So it's premature to put this in the article. John Nagle ( talk) 19:34, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
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Please change the logo from 'Banc de Binary logo.gif' to 'Banc de Binary Logo.svg'. Thanks McMetrox McMetrox ( talk) 23:43, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
I think that the screen shot of bdB's page is not needed in the article, or even the link to its page or logo. BdB is essentially an illegal site in the US because it doesn't even follow the minimal rules for a "financial institution." There's no need for us to promote the company in any way. That would be a gross disservice to our readers. This is up to a consensus of the editors here, of course. There are no rules that say we *must* include this info. Smallbones( smalltalk) 16:37, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
There have been a few sources noting that Banc De Binary has started to sponsor Liverpool F.C:
http://www.insideworldfootball.com/premier-league/17836-liverpool-land-banc-de-binary-in-new-online-trading-deal — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.54.181.221 ( talk) 10:44, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
It seems that someone in Florida doing business as Vision Financial Partners was reselling Banc De Binary services in the US. (Also, allegedly, stealing customer funds.) The CFTC has clamped down. BdB is not a named defendant in this one, but allegedly did accept funds from US persons, which they are enjoined against doing. [29] [30] Not worth a mention in the article yet, but worth following for future developments. John Nagle ( talk) 22:06, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
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Hello, Please link to our website http://bdbvictims.org We have set up a website to assist people who have been harmed by Banc De Binarys fraudulent activities and have also written a guide to assist them in recovering their funds through chargebacks with their banks.
We have found that a number of forums have removed posts about Banc De Binary and are obviously affiliated with them. We are an independent organisation who are helping people fight fraud. We have also managed to have one of Banc De Binarys affiliates here in Australia http://www.binaryoptions.net.au shutdown by ACORN and the Australian Police. Banc De Binary have now posted on their home page that they no longer offer services to Australians (after their affiliate was shut down and they were trading in Australia without permission) which you have mentioned in the wiki already.
Kind Regards, Cameron Hay Co Founder BDBVictims.org
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John Nagle ( talk) 07:58, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
Most of the references are either deadlinks or do not verify the claims. Some are not even a RS. I have tagged such links so it needs an expert attention to fix these references. Beranpolti ( talk) 21:45, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
Can you please discuss why you're insisting to keep the texts which are not verified? -- Tianderni ( talk) 16:48, 25 August 2016 (UTC) Please, at least add sources which verify the claims then you can add back the texts. -- Tianderni ( talk) 16:50, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
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The second problem is some programing trick that makes this link uneditable. Since I can't edit it - I've removed the whole box. If anybody can explain the programing trick, please let me know. Smallbones( smalltalk) 02:00, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
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Someone put a {{split}} tag in the article, proposing splitting out the SEC/CFTC litigation which forced BdB out of the US market. They didn't start a discussion, so I created this location for it. John Nagle ( talk) 22:16, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
Any contributor to this article or this talk page who is paid to contribute needs to declare their paid status according to our Terms of Use. See WP:Paid. Unfortunately these pages have had lots of paid editing (both declared and undeclared) and lots of disruption has resulted from that. Just one possible example is the edits to the article in August 2016 made by SPAs who got themselves banned.
Paid editing problems for this article go much beyond that, however. The subject of the article has signed a settlement, which has been approved by the court, paying about $11 million to settle the charges *and* agreeing not to solicit US customers *even indirectly*. I believe that removing material from this article could be viewed as as indirectly soliciting US customers. In short paid editing of this article is a real can of worms. Smallbones( smalltalk) 16:24, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
And I should add that BDB accounts are site banned per ANI [31] Smallbones( smalltalk) 05:18, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
I know some of you are already aware, but for the benefit of others, see Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Proposal_to_ban_FoCuSandLeArN_due_to_undisclosed_paid_editing. SmartSE ( talk) 21:44, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
See [39]. I know that Finance Magnates is not the very best source. Rather it might be described as a "house organ" of BdB. That just makes it more convincing.
Does anybody know how to get that page properly archived by the usual services? I'd hate to see Finance Magnates disappear and BdB rising from the dead like in an old horror movie. I'll point out something like a prediction I made above about them just disappearing and reappearing as another company. Time to start thinking about that Binary option scams article. SpotOption could also use a little work.
@ Coretheapple, Nagle, JzG, Brianhe, and Pinkbeast:
Smallbones( smalltalk) 17:03, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
See Forex Brokerz and HowWeTrade. Neither is an RS imho and they rely on Finance Magnates, but the 1st looks like they did a bit of extra research and the 2nd recommends at the end "We recommend you to withdraw all your funds as soon as possible. It would not be the first time when such a company disappears from one day to another without paying back the deposits." (duh) Smallbones( smalltalk) 17:55, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
They turned in their Cyprus license [44] [45]. That's all she wrote. Smallbones( smalltalk) 16:08, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
but I believe it. I've seen something earlier in non-reliable sources, but this looks like a reliable source:
Current press http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/business/business-news/faking-it-unravelling-fake-news-12468676 "Faking it: Unravelling a fake news story involving Stephen Hawking” Cambridge News (UK) January 19, 2017 Mike Scialom taken from the new Feb. edition of Cambridge Business with a small bit of updating. BTW it briefly quotes our article. Feb Cambridge Business p.8
Smallbones( smalltalk) 14:44, 19 January 2017 (UTC) "Hi Mike!" Smallbones( smalltalk) 15:21, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
I see from what the IP added that Wikipedia, and our very own @ Smallbones:, are the focus of a Times of Israel article. Shall we add a brief reference of this to the article? My tendency is yes, but briefly. Also the main binary options article. See http://www.timesofisrael.com/wikipedia-vs-banc-de-binary-a-3-year-battle-against-binary-options-fake-news/ Coretheapple ( talk) 14:37, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
A copy of the article as it existed in January 2013 has been posted (noindexed) to Talk:Banc de Binary/Deleted version. -- Orange Mike | Talk 22:41, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
World Finance was an enabler of Banc De Binary, via its vanity awards and consequent promotion of such. Although World Finance's own WP article has been deleted, the article for its publisher World News Media exists, and there has been discussion about content and sourcing there. Additional eyes there would be appreciated. -- Hobbes Goodyear ( talk) 03:12, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
Either they are back, or someone is using the name and logo again. [50] -- John Nagle ( talk) 19:54, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
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Since the BDB team is very concerned with their corporate structure being described correctly, here is the text from a court order from the U.S. District Court for the District of Nevada:
Source: [1] That's a court order by a judge, not a filing. It reflects what the SEC, the CFTC, and the Federal courts were able to determine. If any of that was wrong, Banc De Binary had a chance to correct it before that order was issued. So that can be treated as a reliable source. I suggest updating the article to match. Thanks. -- John Nagle ( talk) 20:18, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
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See the last 2 paragraphs at Wikipedia Strengthens Rules Against Undisclosed Editing Smallbones( smalltalk) 18:42, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
Could we have a short sentence about this in? It seems to have been uncontroversial here. Pinkbeast ( talk) 10:04, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
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This talk page is insane. All of the crud introduced by COI editors and responses by volunteers retards the improvement of this article. What's the best way to at least get a respite (6 months?) from the depradations of the COI's? Back to ANI? -- Hobbes Goodyear ( talk) 02:11, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
I have made an edit to this fully-protected article because it doesn't seem to have anything to do with the full-protection dispute.
Per OTRS ticket 2014061810015646 initiated by Roy Ogen, I have removed his name from the infobox. He no longer works there, and I confirmed this from his own LinkedIn page.
In the same edit I removed Sarah Fenwick also, per OTRS ticket 2014061810006129 initiated by Ms Fenwick. She also says she no longer works there. Her LinkedIn page confirms that this company is a past client of hers. ~ Amatulić ( talk) 20:50, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
Wouldn't it be accurate to include in this article the informations from independent secondary sources (such as The Wall Street Journal, Al Jazeera or Slate) about the consequences of the actions of the Banc De Binary's paid editors on this article? El Comandante ( talk) 08:07, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
I intend to remove the sentence which says A 2013 investigation by the British Daily Mail newspaper journalist Tony Hetherington alleged that one client had $25,000 stolen from his bank account after signing up with them. on the basis this is not what the source says (suggesting original research/synthesis), and that in any case, the Daily Mail is not generally considered a reliable source (per discussions above). If there are any objections or someone would like to provide revised wording and sourcing, please list them below. Nick ( talk) 00:25, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
Disagree - It's misleading to simply describe The Daily Mail as an unreliable tabloid as this is a well written article which gives adequate weight to the companies response. It doesn't say that Banc de Binary repaid the money. As the money was taken without permission from the account Lloyds TSB were legally obliged to refund it, and they would have taken further steps to find where it had gone. Padillah can do a search for 'Banc de Binary Scam' and they'll find numerous similar things online about Banc de Binary. I'm more uncomfortable about the sudden appearance of Nick announcing this, as it reminds me of CorporateM's also mysterious and sudden appearance to announce Edits. I'd leave it where it is as it is quite fairly stated and previous editors all said it was well sourced.
When are we going to add the detail about Banc de Binary's attempt to pay someone $10k to edit, which hit the press, into the article. Has Sarah Fenwick really left the company, she still seems to be making ahead of the week video reports for them. Can the company really be described as Cypriot and not Cypriot-Israeli bearing in mind that that we already put a link to a photo on this page of their Israeli HQ and that the various affiliated companies all do the same thing, are simply a way of them allowing to trade in different geographical areas such as the EU or outside the EU. As far as I can see ET Binary Options is still based in the Diamond District in Ramat Gan, Israel and it is this building which we put a link to the photo of, which appears to have the Banc de Binary logo on the outside of, this proving they are based there. ET Binary options are still posting job ads for sales reps on their Facebook wall, showing that this is where the calls are made from. Quite telling that they are looking for people who can speak many different languages, as Banc de Binary's site is in this too. HistorianofRecenttimes ( talk) 01:20, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
Something went wrong here. Amatulic's edit in response to this request [10] distorted the passage so as to make it say that the journalist claimed BdB took that money from his own account, rather than from some other anonymous complainant. I've removed the sentence for the time being. Fut.Perf. ☼ 07:49, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
There's another article by Tony Hetheringdon of the Daily Mail. [11]. Another victim who thought Banc de Binary was really in the US.
Then there's this: "CySec issues warning to investors about Banc De Binary ancillary website" [12]. It's a blog, which links to another blog with a dead link. so that's useless as a source, but maybe there's a better reference for what, if anything, CySec did. -- John Nagle ( talk) 06:27, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
I've done a bit of reorganizing. As I see it, the main problem was that there was a big chunk of text in the lead describing BDB's regulatory travails. In my opinion that was just banging them over the head too much. So I replaced with a summary sentence and moved it to the "regulatory issues" section. Also I put "products and services" first, so that readers understand what these folks do. Then I merged the "regulation" section, which wasn't necessary and simply needed to be part of the "history" section. There are other issues as well, such as jargon and dense writing. Coretheapple ( talk) 14:50, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
Oh and I took out a line in which the Daily Mail calls them a "betting parlor" or something like that. This is a tabloid and I'm not comfortable with using their characterizations. We have a description from the WSJ already and that will suffice. Coretheapple ( talk) 14:52, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
Also I should mention that I removed the NPOV tag as there was no talk page discussion to justify it. I think that removing the block of text in the lead on their regulatory issues actually helps a lot in that regard. If anyone wants to of course they can reinstate the tag. Coretheapple ( talk) 14:56, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
I have consolidated all the negative stuff about this company into the "regulatory issues" section. Now, there is no question that this company is notable because of its negative news. I am fully acquainted with the fact that it is barred from doing business in the United States. I know that the Better Business Bureau hates them. I know all that stuff. But I think that we have to condense this section a bit. I could go ahead and boldly do it but I'd like to get some input from everybody about that general concept. I realize that there are some articles that are predominantly negative, and I'm not saying that this article shouldn't be one of them. But I do think that we need to consider carefully a reduction in the size, perhaps omitting some details, of all the negative stuff. Also, as a side issue, we need to fix some of the jargon and wordiness. Comments? Coretheapple ( talk) 22:43, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
BDB is a Fraud company and has been cheating people worldwide including me, I have been cheated 15,000 USD in October 2016. I have filed a case against them with Israel police and Cyprus Police along with Israel Security Authority. BDB is unethical company and makes money by cheating people in the name of investments. Please beware of this money making scams — Preceding unsigned comment added by JKSabbandra ( talk • contribs) 09:08, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
I've also archived but if anyone objects <sigh>, go ahead and unarchive and restore the fifty Berlin Walls of text. Coretheapple ( talk) 23:02, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
Re Huon's recent edit, do you think we might have something about how they provide such services to "other" binary options brokers, leaving out the 170? I agree the text removed was inappropriate, but I think the point that Spotoption (as far as we know) isn't a BdB cutout is significant. Pinkbeast ( talk) 14:43, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
The SEC won an initial summary judgement. [22]. Litigation continues.
There's an "Statement of Uncontroverted Facts in Support of Plaintiff Securities and Exchange Commission" (case document 79-2) available, but you have to go to Pacer to get it. This comes from depositions of Owen Laurent: "According to Mr. Laurent, he and his father own the Banc de Binary Group. ... Mr. Laurent is the founder, president and chief executive officer of BdB Ltd. ... Mr. Laurent is the 50% shareholder of BdB Ltd; the other 50% shareholder is his father." All the businesses of the BdB group were owned by Laurent and/or his father. We have in the article that Laurent owned 50%; now we know who owns the other half.
Other than Offshore Alert, no press source has picked up on this yet. So it's premature to put this in the article. John Nagle ( talk) 19:34, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
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Please change the logo from 'Banc de Binary logo.gif' to 'Banc de Binary Logo.svg'. Thanks McMetrox McMetrox ( talk) 23:43, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
I think that the screen shot of bdB's page is not needed in the article, or even the link to its page or logo. BdB is essentially an illegal site in the US because it doesn't even follow the minimal rules for a "financial institution." There's no need for us to promote the company in any way. That would be a gross disservice to our readers. This is up to a consensus of the editors here, of course. There are no rules that say we *must* include this info. Smallbones( smalltalk) 16:37, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
There have been a few sources noting that Banc De Binary has started to sponsor Liverpool F.C:
http://www.insideworldfootball.com/premier-league/17836-liverpool-land-banc-de-binary-in-new-online-trading-deal — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.54.181.221 ( talk) 10:44, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
It seems that someone in Florida doing business as Vision Financial Partners was reselling Banc De Binary services in the US. (Also, allegedly, stealing customer funds.) The CFTC has clamped down. BdB is not a named defendant in this one, but allegedly did accept funds from US persons, which they are enjoined against doing. [29] [30] Not worth a mention in the article yet, but worth following for future developments. John Nagle ( talk) 22:06, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
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Hello, Please link to our website http://bdbvictims.org We have set up a website to assist people who have been harmed by Banc De Binarys fraudulent activities and have also written a guide to assist them in recovering their funds through chargebacks with their banks.
We have found that a number of forums have removed posts about Banc De Binary and are obviously affiliated with them. We are an independent organisation who are helping people fight fraud. We have also managed to have one of Banc De Binarys affiliates here in Australia http://www.binaryoptions.net.au shutdown by ACORN and the Australian Police. Banc De Binary have now posted on their home page that they no longer offer services to Australians (after their affiliate was shut down and they were trading in Australia without permission) which you have mentioned in the wiki already.
Kind Regards, Cameron Hay Co Founder BDBVictims.org
27.33.250.5 ( talk) 05:23, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
John Nagle ( talk) 07:58, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
Most of the references are either deadlinks or do not verify the claims. Some are not even a RS. I have tagged such links so it needs an expert attention to fix these references. Beranpolti ( talk) 21:45, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
Can you please discuss why you're insisting to keep the texts which are not verified? -- Tianderni ( talk) 16:48, 25 August 2016 (UTC) Please, at least add sources which verify the claims then you can add back the texts. -- Tianderni ( talk) 16:50, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
Company type | Private |
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Industry | Binary options |
Founded | 2009 |
Key people | Oren Laurent (CEO) Abraham 'Abe' Cofnas, Head Analyst |
There is a link to the company in the box here, at least when it's on the article page. There are two problems with this WP:ELNO#7 says that links should not be added if they are restricted or unreachable by a large number of editors/readers. This link fits that description.
The second problem is some programing trick that makes this link uneditable. Since I can't edit it - I've removed the whole box. If anybody can explain the programing trick, please let me know. Smallbones( smalltalk) 02:00, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
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Someone put a {{split}} tag in the article, proposing splitting out the SEC/CFTC litigation which forced BdB out of the US market. They didn't start a discussion, so I created this location for it. John Nagle ( talk) 22:16, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
Any contributor to this article or this talk page who is paid to contribute needs to declare their paid status according to our Terms of Use. See WP:Paid. Unfortunately these pages have had lots of paid editing (both declared and undeclared) and lots of disruption has resulted from that. Just one possible example is the edits to the article in August 2016 made by SPAs who got themselves banned.
Paid editing problems for this article go much beyond that, however. The subject of the article has signed a settlement, which has been approved by the court, paying about $11 million to settle the charges *and* agreeing not to solicit US customers *even indirectly*. I believe that removing material from this article could be viewed as as indirectly soliciting US customers. In short paid editing of this article is a real can of worms. Smallbones( smalltalk) 16:24, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
And I should add that BDB accounts are site banned per ANI [31] Smallbones( smalltalk) 05:18, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
I know some of you are already aware, but for the benefit of others, see Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Proposal_to_ban_FoCuSandLeArN_due_to_undisclosed_paid_editing. SmartSE ( talk) 21:44, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
See [39]. I know that Finance Magnates is not the very best source. Rather it might be described as a "house organ" of BdB. That just makes it more convincing.
Does anybody know how to get that page properly archived by the usual services? I'd hate to see Finance Magnates disappear and BdB rising from the dead like in an old horror movie. I'll point out something like a prediction I made above about them just disappearing and reappearing as another company. Time to start thinking about that Binary option scams article. SpotOption could also use a little work.
@ Coretheapple, Nagle, JzG, Brianhe, and Pinkbeast:
Smallbones( smalltalk) 17:03, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
See Forex Brokerz and HowWeTrade. Neither is an RS imho and they rely on Finance Magnates, but the 1st looks like they did a bit of extra research and the 2nd recommends at the end "We recommend you to withdraw all your funds as soon as possible. It would not be the first time when such a company disappears from one day to another without paying back the deposits." (duh) Smallbones( smalltalk) 17:55, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
They turned in their Cyprus license [44] [45]. That's all she wrote. Smallbones( smalltalk) 16:08, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
but I believe it. I've seen something earlier in non-reliable sources, but this looks like a reliable source:
Current press http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/business/business-news/faking-it-unravelling-fake-news-12468676 "Faking it: Unravelling a fake news story involving Stephen Hawking” Cambridge News (UK) January 19, 2017 Mike Scialom taken from the new Feb. edition of Cambridge Business with a small bit of updating. BTW it briefly quotes our article. Feb Cambridge Business p.8
Smallbones( smalltalk) 14:44, 19 January 2017 (UTC) "Hi Mike!" Smallbones( smalltalk) 15:21, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
I see from what the IP added that Wikipedia, and our very own @ Smallbones:, are the focus of a Times of Israel article. Shall we add a brief reference of this to the article? My tendency is yes, but briefly. Also the main binary options article. See http://www.timesofisrael.com/wikipedia-vs-banc-de-binary-a-3-year-battle-against-binary-options-fake-news/ Coretheapple ( talk) 14:37, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
A copy of the article as it existed in January 2013 has been posted (noindexed) to Talk:Banc de Binary/Deleted version. -- Orange Mike | Talk 22:41, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
World Finance was an enabler of Banc De Binary, via its vanity awards and consequent promotion of such. Although World Finance's own WP article has been deleted, the article for its publisher World News Media exists, and there has been discussion about content and sourcing there. Additional eyes there would be appreciated. -- Hobbes Goodyear ( talk) 03:12, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
Either they are back, or someone is using the name and logo again. [50] -- John Nagle ( talk) 19:54, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
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