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Nominator: Chiswick Chap ( talk · contribs) 20:29, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
Reviewer: Broc ( talk · contribs) 19:57, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
Will review.
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I'm starting the review with general comments as I find them. I will write in italics improvements that are not strictly needed for a GA.
'Dwarf Cavendish'and
'Gros Michel'should have wikilinks
Musa acuminata as well as M. balbisiana in the Philippineswikilinks here as well
an as yet unresolved debate- MOS:CURRENTLY, plus no evidence of a debate. Perhaps the sentence should be rewritten
Many wild banana species and cultivars exist in India, China, and Southeast Asia.why is this in the section "Columbian exchange"?
It involved the combination of modern transportation networkswhat is "it" in this sentence?
but railroad builders like Minor C. Keith participatedwhy the adversative conjunction?
culminating in the multi-national giant corporations like Chiquita and Doleis "culminating" the right verb? The Boston Fruit Company later became Chiquita, but what does Dole have to do with it? I think the whole paragraph might need to be rewritten for clarity.
In the modern United States, Hawaii is by far the largest banana producer, followed by Florida.[58]this seems completely unrelated to the rest of the section.
Peasant cultivationis the title of this section appropriate? Wouldn't "small-scale cultivation" be more fitting? Should the section be kept under "History" or better moved to "Modern cultivation"? There is a wikilink in this section that is perhaps better presented using {{ further}}
India is the world leader in this sort of productionnot sure if this is factually accurate or WP:OR. The source only states that India is the largest producer of bananas (in general) and that only 0.1% of that production is exported.
It is unclear if any existing cultivar can replace Cavendish bananas, so various hybridisation and genetic engineering programs are attempting to create a disease-resistant, mass-market banana. One such strain that has emerged is the Taiwanese Cavendish or FormosanaI think the BBC article provides interesting insight that should be somehow reflected in the article, but I see multiple issues here:
various hybridisation and genetic engineering programs
an enzyme that breaks downthis sentence structure is repeated twice
The vivid yellow color consumers normally associate with supermarket bananas is caused by ripening around 18 °C (64 °F), and does not occur in Cavendish bananas ripened in tropical temperatures (over 27 °C (81 °F))
Bananas are exported in larger volume and to a larger value than any other fruit.needs WP:ASOF
There is a need to enrich banana biodiversity by producing diverse new banana varieties, not just focusing on the Cavendish.this is stated as an absolute truth, but in the original source it is a quote. Perhaps such a sentence is generally better located in the section intro rather than here.
and the bananas that do grow ripening prematurely- "are ripening" or "ripen"
In addition to the expense, there is the question of how long intensive spraying can be environmentally justified, seems WP:OR. Marín et al. reach a very different conclusion in their paper, arguing
safer fungicides, drift, buffer areas, and hazardous waste management, among others, are important issues in the development of new strategies for controlling black Sigatoka. Future disease management programs will continue to focus on an integrated crop management program that includes cultural as well as improved chemical controls. Because of the high susceptibility of the cultivars on which banana export is based, chemical control will continue as the keystone for the management of black Sigatoka.
considered a moderate level of the DVconsidered by whom?
The potassium-content ranking for bananas among fruits [...] is relatively mediumwhat does "relatively medium" mean? A direct comparison would be better.
one may actually see it grow, while Flindt mentions 1.6 m/day (height, not surface).
"World Checklist of Selected Plant Families". Royal Botanic Gardens, Kew.Broc ( talk) 14:06, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
Researchers Norman Simmonds and Ken Shepherd proposed a genome-based nomenclature system in 1955. [...] leading to confusion.Source 24 does not seem to be WP:RS (self-hosted material), and source 25 does not support the statement. Perhaps a link to the original manuscript would be better.
The Honduran Foundation for Agricultural Research..., closely paraphrased from [5], page 3. It is present since Special:Diff/1119799356 from 3 November 2022. I am hesitant to request WP:REVDEL as it would hide several hundreds of revisions, but I need to get a second opinion from an admin.
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I question When we consider another paper( Denham, Tim. “Early Agriculture and Plant Domestication in New Guinea and Island Southeast Asia.” Current Anthropology 52, no. S4 (2011): S379–95.
https://doi.org/10.1086/658682.) saying:
Similarly, some cautious reconsideration may be due on the article's It is quite complex assessing exactly what the literature says on all this – perhaps more so because of the guarded language used by many authors. Therefore this is an early flag of this issue, with more reading to do. ThoughtIdRetired TIR 09:17, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
I find it surprising that the unusual genetic feature of the banana, that chloroplast DNA is inherited maternally, whilst mitochondrial DNA is paternal, is not mentioned in the article. It seems this makes study of the various species and subspecies easier than with other inheritance systems. This helps give a good understanding of their domestication. See Donohue, Mark, and Tim Denham. “Farming and Language in Island Southeast Asia: Reframing Austronesian History.” Current Anthropology 51, no. 2 (2010): 223–56. https://doi.org/10.1086/650991. for mention of this (at page 226). JSTOR link is at [7]. ThoughtIdRetired TIR 19:24, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
I wonder whether the article should mention that the banana was one of the key crops in the independent invention of farming in Papua New Guinea. I only have a research paper as a source for this (so, primary source) but there should be better ones available. Denham, T. P., S. G. Haberle, C. Lentfer, R. Fullagar, J. Field, M. Therin, N. Porch, and B. Winsborough. “Origins of Agriculture at Kuk Swamp in the Highlands of New Guinea.” Science 301, no. 5630 (2003): 189–93. http://www.jstor.org/stable/3834782. ThoughtIdRetired TIR 22:38, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
I question the date in
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Placing on hold until following points are addressed:
@ Broc: - all done to date. Chiswick Chap ( talk) 09:39, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
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The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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Nominator: Chiswick Chap ( talk · contribs) 20:29, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
Reviewer: Broc ( talk · contribs) 19:57, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
Will review.
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19:57, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
I'm starting the review with general comments as I find them. I will write in italics improvements that are not strictly needed for a GA.
'Dwarf Cavendish'and
'Gros Michel'should have wikilinks
Musa acuminata as well as M. balbisiana in the Philippineswikilinks here as well
an as yet unresolved debate- MOS:CURRENTLY, plus no evidence of a debate. Perhaps the sentence should be rewritten
Many wild banana species and cultivars exist in India, China, and Southeast Asia.why is this in the section "Columbian exchange"?
It involved the combination of modern transportation networkswhat is "it" in this sentence?
but railroad builders like Minor C. Keith participatedwhy the adversative conjunction?
culminating in the multi-national giant corporations like Chiquita and Doleis "culminating" the right verb? The Boston Fruit Company later became Chiquita, but what does Dole have to do with it? I think the whole paragraph might need to be rewritten for clarity.
In the modern United States, Hawaii is by far the largest banana producer, followed by Florida.[58]this seems completely unrelated to the rest of the section.
Peasant cultivationis the title of this section appropriate? Wouldn't "small-scale cultivation" be more fitting? Should the section be kept under "History" or better moved to "Modern cultivation"? There is a wikilink in this section that is perhaps better presented using {{ further}}
India is the world leader in this sort of productionnot sure if this is factually accurate or WP:OR. The source only states that India is the largest producer of bananas (in general) and that only 0.1% of that production is exported.
It is unclear if any existing cultivar can replace Cavendish bananas, so various hybridisation and genetic engineering programs are attempting to create a disease-resistant, mass-market banana. One such strain that has emerged is the Taiwanese Cavendish or FormosanaI think the BBC article provides interesting insight that should be somehow reflected in the article, but I see multiple issues here:
various hybridisation and genetic engineering programs
an enzyme that breaks downthis sentence structure is repeated twice
The vivid yellow color consumers normally associate with supermarket bananas is caused by ripening around 18 °C (64 °F), and does not occur in Cavendish bananas ripened in tropical temperatures (over 27 °C (81 °F))
Bananas are exported in larger volume and to a larger value than any other fruit.needs WP:ASOF
There is a need to enrich banana biodiversity by producing diverse new banana varieties, not just focusing on the Cavendish.this is stated as an absolute truth, but in the original source it is a quote. Perhaps such a sentence is generally better located in the section intro rather than here.
and the bananas that do grow ripening prematurely- "are ripening" or "ripen"
In addition to the expense, there is the question of how long intensive spraying can be environmentally justified, seems WP:OR. Marín et al. reach a very different conclusion in their paper, arguing
safer fungicides, drift, buffer areas, and hazardous waste management, among others, are important issues in the development of new strategies for controlling black Sigatoka. Future disease management programs will continue to focus on an integrated crop management program that includes cultural as well as improved chemical controls. Because of the high susceptibility of the cultivars on which banana export is based, chemical control will continue as the keystone for the management of black Sigatoka.
considered a moderate level of the DVconsidered by whom?
The potassium-content ranking for bananas among fruits [...] is relatively mediumwhat does "relatively medium" mean? A direct comparison would be better.
one may actually see it grow, while Flindt mentions 1.6 m/day (height, not surface).
"World Checklist of Selected Plant Families". Royal Botanic Gardens, Kew.Broc ( talk) 14:06, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
Researchers Norman Simmonds and Ken Shepherd proposed a genome-based nomenclature system in 1955. [...] leading to confusion.Source 24 does not seem to be WP:RS (self-hosted material), and source 25 does not support the statement. Perhaps a link to the original manuscript would be better.
The Honduran Foundation for Agricultural Research..., closely paraphrased from [5], page 3. It is present since Special:Diff/1119799356 from 3 November 2022. I am hesitant to request WP:REVDEL as it would hide several hundreds of revisions, but I need to get a second opinion from an admin.
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I question When we consider another paper( Denham, Tim. “Early Agriculture and Plant Domestication in New Guinea and Island Southeast Asia.” Current Anthropology 52, no. S4 (2011): S379–95.
https://doi.org/10.1086/658682.) saying:
Similarly, some cautious reconsideration may be due on the article's It is quite complex assessing exactly what the literature says on all this – perhaps more so because of the guarded language used by many authors. Therefore this is an early flag of this issue, with more reading to do. ThoughtIdRetired TIR 09:17, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
I find it surprising that the unusual genetic feature of the banana, that chloroplast DNA is inherited maternally, whilst mitochondrial DNA is paternal, is not mentioned in the article. It seems this makes study of the various species and subspecies easier than with other inheritance systems. This helps give a good understanding of their domestication. See Donohue, Mark, and Tim Denham. “Farming and Language in Island Southeast Asia: Reframing Austronesian History.” Current Anthropology 51, no. 2 (2010): 223–56. https://doi.org/10.1086/650991. for mention of this (at page 226). JSTOR link is at [7]. ThoughtIdRetired TIR 19:24, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
I wonder whether the article should mention that the banana was one of the key crops in the independent invention of farming in Papua New Guinea. I only have a research paper as a source for this (so, primary source) but there should be better ones available. Denham, T. P., S. G. Haberle, C. Lentfer, R. Fullagar, J. Field, M. Therin, N. Porch, and B. Winsborough. “Origins of Agriculture at Kuk Swamp in the Highlands of New Guinea.” Science 301, no. 5630 (2003): 189–93. http://www.jstor.org/stable/3834782. ThoughtIdRetired TIR 22:38, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
I question the date in
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Placing on hold until following points are addressed:
@ Broc: - all done to date. Chiswick Chap ( talk) 09:39, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria