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This article is very poorly structured and very flawed. It has lots of information about where Balti food is supposed to come from, lots of back and forth about whether it is Indian or Pakistani, whether it was invented in Birmingham or not, how it is cooked, irrelevant information about British supermarkets, etc...NOWHWERE does it actually say what on earth "Balti" food actually is, e.g. ingredients, taste, variations. The standard is much better for pages on other curries like Korma, Bhuna, etc...this just seems to be a mish mash of topics peripherally related to Balti. This isn't a wikipedia entry - it's a collage of Balti related topics. I don't see how so many people could edit it and contribute to the page without documenting/making sure was there, what Balti actually IS! I came to this page to find out what Balti is, I now know all about history of Balti houses in Birmingham - but I have no idea what Balti is. Presumably these entries weren't generated by robots? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.32.31.146 ( talk) 12:45, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
From Bangladesh originally then spread elsewhere — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.188.83.74 ( talk) 05:41, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
The page is looking much better, HOWEVER. Just because a source states that balti is a anglo-english word - this does not mean that the word used in this context is the same. There is no proof that this word and this context are the same considering the birmingham balti house community are pakistani/kashmiri in ethnic origin and the hindi language would be of no consequence to them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.6.79.200 ( talk) 14:12, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Hmmm.... I don't think you can really say the Hindi language would be of no consequence to Pakistanis and Kashmiris. Spoken Hindi is essentially the same as spoken Urdu, the national language of Pakistan. Melaena ( talk) 22:27, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
It is already established that Balti can be translated as bucket in Hindi. There is no disputing the origin of the Hindi word balti/balty. I think it is pretty presumptuous to assume that because this is generally referred to as Indian food - that there is any connection to the Hindi language. Most of the owners of balti houses in Birminham are Karhmiri in origin.
Read the balti cookbook by Pat Chapman - A man who has done more for the curry scene in the UK than anyone, you will find he has researched a lot more into it, than just assuming because there is a word in a phrase book which sounds like it then it must be right.
Kashmir is joined right on to the Baltistan area, and baltistan is joined onto china which is where the cast iron cooking came from.
It is an absolute misconception to claim that the word and the term Balti originates from the Urdu/Hindustani/Hindi word for bucket 'balti', It is derived form the place where the style of cooking originates from Baltistan... and area of Kashmir with territories both in India and Pakistan, I feel the writer has let his imagination loose with other dish names which originate from various utensils, like kadhai, haandi, matka, tawa, etc —Preceding unsigned comment added by AlexTrivianni ( talk • contribs) 22:18, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
—Preceding unsigned comment added by AlexTrivianni ( talk • contribs) 22:20, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
I suggest that the "bowl Tea" explanation is merely an urban legend derived from a source not understanding the meaning of Balti as a bucket, equally so the Baltistan connection is suspect 01:04, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)
In a programme of this name on BBC2 on 16 April 2006 a claim was made that a restaurant in Newcastle was serving baltis in 1982. This may well be the case, but not even the Oxford English Dictionary disputes that the balti, nevertheless, originated in Birmingham. This is their new, revised entry for the word:
Entry revised for OED Online balti, n.2 DRAFT REVISION Apr. 2006
Cookery. Also with capital initial. [Origin uncertain and disputed. The word was first used in connection with restaurants chiefly in the area of Birmingham, England, in the early 1980s (cf. quot. 1982; one source claims that that first Balti house opened in 1977, but no printed evidence for this has been found). It is unclear whether there is any antecedent in languages of northern India, Pakistan, or Kashmir; it is not recorded among the many borrowings from these languages in R. J. Baumgartner Eng. Lang. Pakistan (1993). It is widely suggested that the word is derived < Hindi bl pail, bucket (perh. ult. < Portuguese balde), referring to the small, two-handled pan used in balti houses (Urdu karahi), but as there is no evidence that the Hindi word was used for vessels of this kind, this is probably a folk etymology. Derivation from Panjabi b deep brass dish (cf. Hindi b, Bengali b) has also been suggested; the intrusion of an -l- would be difficult to explain phonologically, but might have arisen in an English linguistic context from an error in transliteration, from misinterpretation of the retroflex t as -lt-, or by confusion with Hindi bl (see above). It has also been suggested that the word has some connection with Baltistan (see BALTI a. and n.1). The cuisine is found throughout Pakistan and north-western India, but with the notable exception of Baltistan, which has a subsistence economy (although sharing of food from a communal pot, or bucket, is app. a feature of Balti culture). The first balti houses may have been so named because of their simple, bring-and-share style, or because an early proprietor of such a restaurant was a Balti from Pakistani Kashmir. The predominant British pronunciation with back vowel is perh. after BALTIC a. and n.]
I. Simple uses.
1. A style of cooking influenced by the cuisine of northern Pakistan, comprising highly spiced dishes usually served in wide, round-bottomed, metal pans and accompanied by nan bread. Also: food or a dish in this style.
1982 Heathan (Balsall Heath, Birmingham) July 8/1 (advt.) Specialists in kebab, tikah, balti meats tandoori chicken and all kinds of curry. 1984 Curry Mag. Winter 29/1 Can anyone tell me what Balti is?.. Some unusual dishes on the menu are Curried Quail, Balti chicken or meat. 1990 Independent (Nexis) 24 Feb. 32 A lot of police..got to know about ‘going for a balti’ while training in Birmingham. 1993 Times 26 June (Mag.) 35/2 I've eaten some passable, if crude, South American stuff and supped off the true Brum vernacular, which is the Kashmiri balti—only in this city do you get a table laid with a metre-long bread. 2000 Evening Post (Bristol) (Electronic ed.) 4 Nov., Not that students have to eat curry before a monster drinking session. They can, of course, grab a balti during and after, all equally satisfying.
As can be seen from the above, Birmingham has a print reference (The Heathan, a local newspaper) equally as old as the anomalous one from Newcastle (1982), and the OED have chosen to ignore the Newcastle one. Perhaps, like the early reference for mushy peas from Tenby (same episode), they were unable to verify it, as it was simply a printed menu. In any case, the question is acedemic, because even the OED admit that the term was coined in 1977 in Birmingham. The source for this is Adil's Restaurant - the people who actually invented it - see here [1]. For all I know, there may well have been an isolated balti house in Newcastle in 1982 - the Asian community have extended families all over the country - but in 1982 there were already dozens in Birmingham, where the concept had already been in existence for half a decade. TharkunColl 18:12, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
This article explains how balti is served, how it is eaten, where the word came from... but not what it actually is! What are the ingredients? How is it made? How is it distinguished from other curry dishes?
Someone please add some information. Mtford 22:18, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
Not just SERVED in a dish, but cooked in it - if they just spoon it into the dish from a big pot, it's not a balti... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.108.151.37 ( talk) 13:53, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
The link in the references section, http://www.birmingham.gov.uk/baltitriangle.bcc, gives a 404... anyone know the correct address?
The full link is http://www.birmingham.gov.uk/GenerateContent?CONTENT_ITEM_ID=23121&CONTENT_ITEM_TYPE=0&MENU_ID=260 -- Unre4L ITY 15:17, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
"Most balti houses are run by Pakistanis. This spicy dish was introduced to the city by its large Kashmiri population (of Pakistan). It's a way of cooking that started in the city in the 1980s." [2] (Sources included, please have a look)
Unre4L 03:46, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
I am Pakistani from Pothohar region and balti food is our centuries old traditional dish. This style of cooking was brought to UK by mirpuri immigrants. Balti word has nothing to do with Baltistan, In our native languages balti (pronounced baalti, with a retroflex t ) is term for pot and balti [pronounced belti with a dental t sound) ] means someone from baltistan. In english they may be spelled similar but are very different words in our language. Balti food is very popular in traditional style restaurants in Rawalpindi, mirpur and neighboring area. I think you guys need to go out of UK to trace the origin of this food. —Preceding
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A visit to Rawalpindi will do, As restaurants there are selling Balti long before it was introduced in Britian. Anyways a quick google search shows http://www.thehindu.com/mp/2008/11/06/stories/2008110650540300.htm http://www.dawn.com/weekly/review/archive/021003/review9.htm Both The Hindu (Indian newspaper) and Dawn (Pakistani newspaper) refer Balti as traditional cuisine and are leading newspapers. Hindu report also gives the dish origins. Any Urdu knowledge should be able to resolve the misconception arising due to transliteration in English. Unfortunately Balti is only popular in Pothwar region and almost unknown in rest of Pakistan where a similar styled dish is called Karahi (again a name of Pot). Many Pakistani spices do have recipes for making both balti and Karahi. Its remarkable to see a dish from a small region to go international and have a wiki page. I think I have pointed to right direction but know that a hubcab sounds more astounding... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.12.47.220 ( talk) 01:56, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
The recent edit to exclusively categorise Balti as "Pakistani" does not seem NPOV to me. Baltistan and Kashmir are both disputed and there are claims to both Indian-ness and Pakistani-ness for them. The food itself has not had its origins firmly established. I don't think it's right to exclusively categorise it as "Pakistani". Comments? Jamesinderbyshire ( talk) 10:57, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
A recent edit in the intro has the buckets being made of stainless steel, but further down, the article says they are made of steel or iron. I wonder if there are any decent sources on this? Tried to find one, but failed. We probably shouldn't have the article being self-contradictory though. Jamesinderbyshire ( talk) 14:42, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
The source that says iron dates to 1886, appriximately 90 years before the balti, as a style of cuisine, was invented. And all that speculation about Baltistan is way off the mark too, since its inhabitants are Tibetans, not Kashmiris. The fact is that balti does indeed mean bucket. These may have been iron in the 19th century, but they aren't now. ðarkun coll 10:33, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Anyway, found a source:
The balti emerged in the south east of Birmingham in 1975 and was a product of Birmingham’s entrepreneurial Pakistani Kashmiri community. Its chefs wanted to create a flavour of their homeland which would appeal to local tastes and generate a few quid for the family coffers. Many of the businesses have remained true to their roots and are family owned and run, which ensures overheads are kept down.
A thin, pressed steel wok-like pan was developed in Birmingham and it is used for the balti style of stir frying over a very high heat. The “balti bowl” was also made in Birmingham, again using thin steel rather than cast iron.
http://www.balti-birmingham.co.uk/about-balti/bpost-on-the-balti
ðarkun coll 10:49, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
This is not what the source says. The source states
"A thin, pressed steel wok-like pan was developed in Birmingham and it is used for the balti style of stir frying over a very high heat. The “balti bowl” was also made in Birmingham, again using thin steel rather than cast iron."
This refers to two separate things, the 'pan' used to cook it and the 'balti bowl' used to serve it in. It just wouldn't be practical for restaurants to cook each individual portion in it's own bowl. Muleattack ( talk) 12:29, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
Since this article is only about balti from your small island nation, or rather from the West Midland portion of your small island nation, is there another article about balti in the larger world? Balti in Canada is a specific spice blend and flavor.```
British not Pakistani — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.152.157.1 ( talk) 03:34, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
The balti may or may not have its origin in Britain but patently features in British cuisine and has evolved significantly in Britain. It may well be pertinent to add templates for Pakistan and/or other countries but the "British cuisine" template is highly pertinent. Mutt Lunker ( talk) 13:53, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
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The introduction is weak. It doesn't even mention the word curry! |
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I am confused. I made a real and honest edit, citing the weakness of the sourcing. Some other person, with zero authority I can see, reverted it and simply said, “the sourcing is fine.” I am Indian. I know the fact to be wrong or at least plural in origin. The article itself has two histories. Who is the person or persons who said it’s fine and what authority conferred on them allows them to dismiss the change out of hand?
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This article is very poorly structured and very flawed. It has lots of information about where Balti food is supposed to come from, lots of back and forth about whether it is Indian or Pakistani, whether it was invented in Birmingham or not, how it is cooked, irrelevant information about British supermarkets, etc...NOWHWERE does it actually say what on earth "Balti" food actually is, e.g. ingredients, taste, variations. The standard is much better for pages on other curries like Korma, Bhuna, etc...this just seems to be a mish mash of topics peripherally related to Balti. This isn't a wikipedia entry - it's a collage of Balti related topics. I don't see how so many people could edit it and contribute to the page without documenting/making sure was there, what Balti actually IS! I came to this page to find out what Balti is, I now know all about history of Balti houses in Birmingham - but I have no idea what Balti is. Presumably these entries weren't generated by robots? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.32.31.146 ( talk) 12:45, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
From Bangladesh originally then spread elsewhere — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.188.83.74 ( talk) 05:41, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
The page is looking much better, HOWEVER. Just because a source states that balti is a anglo-english word - this does not mean that the word used in this context is the same. There is no proof that this word and this context are the same considering the birmingham balti house community are pakistani/kashmiri in ethnic origin and the hindi language would be of no consequence to them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.6.79.200 ( talk) 14:12, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Hmmm.... I don't think you can really say the Hindi language would be of no consequence to Pakistanis and Kashmiris. Spoken Hindi is essentially the same as spoken Urdu, the national language of Pakistan. Melaena ( talk) 22:27, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
It is already established that Balti can be translated as bucket in Hindi. There is no disputing the origin of the Hindi word balti/balty. I think it is pretty presumptuous to assume that because this is generally referred to as Indian food - that there is any connection to the Hindi language. Most of the owners of balti houses in Birminham are Karhmiri in origin.
Read the balti cookbook by Pat Chapman - A man who has done more for the curry scene in the UK than anyone, you will find he has researched a lot more into it, than just assuming because there is a word in a phrase book which sounds like it then it must be right.
Kashmir is joined right on to the Baltistan area, and baltistan is joined onto china which is where the cast iron cooking came from.
It is an absolute misconception to claim that the word and the term Balti originates from the Urdu/Hindustani/Hindi word for bucket 'balti', It is derived form the place where the style of cooking originates from Baltistan... and area of Kashmir with territories both in India and Pakistan, I feel the writer has let his imagination loose with other dish names which originate from various utensils, like kadhai, haandi, matka, tawa, etc —Preceding unsigned comment added by AlexTrivianni ( talk • contribs) 22:18, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
—Preceding unsigned comment added by AlexTrivianni ( talk • contribs) 22:20, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
I suggest that the "bowl Tea" explanation is merely an urban legend derived from a source not understanding the meaning of Balti as a bucket, equally so the Baltistan connection is suspect 01:04, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)
In a programme of this name on BBC2 on 16 April 2006 a claim was made that a restaurant in Newcastle was serving baltis in 1982. This may well be the case, but not even the Oxford English Dictionary disputes that the balti, nevertheless, originated in Birmingham. This is their new, revised entry for the word:
Entry revised for OED Online balti, n.2 DRAFT REVISION Apr. 2006
Cookery. Also with capital initial. [Origin uncertain and disputed. The word was first used in connection with restaurants chiefly in the area of Birmingham, England, in the early 1980s (cf. quot. 1982; one source claims that that first Balti house opened in 1977, but no printed evidence for this has been found). It is unclear whether there is any antecedent in languages of northern India, Pakistan, or Kashmir; it is not recorded among the many borrowings from these languages in R. J. Baumgartner Eng. Lang. Pakistan (1993). It is widely suggested that the word is derived < Hindi bl pail, bucket (perh. ult. < Portuguese balde), referring to the small, two-handled pan used in balti houses (Urdu karahi), but as there is no evidence that the Hindi word was used for vessels of this kind, this is probably a folk etymology. Derivation from Panjabi b deep brass dish (cf. Hindi b, Bengali b) has also been suggested; the intrusion of an -l- would be difficult to explain phonologically, but might have arisen in an English linguistic context from an error in transliteration, from misinterpretation of the retroflex t as -lt-, or by confusion with Hindi bl (see above). It has also been suggested that the word has some connection with Baltistan (see BALTI a. and n.1). The cuisine is found throughout Pakistan and north-western India, but with the notable exception of Baltistan, which has a subsistence economy (although sharing of food from a communal pot, or bucket, is app. a feature of Balti culture). The first balti houses may have been so named because of their simple, bring-and-share style, or because an early proprietor of such a restaurant was a Balti from Pakistani Kashmir. The predominant British pronunciation with back vowel is perh. after BALTIC a. and n.]
I. Simple uses.
1. A style of cooking influenced by the cuisine of northern Pakistan, comprising highly spiced dishes usually served in wide, round-bottomed, metal pans and accompanied by nan bread. Also: food or a dish in this style.
1982 Heathan (Balsall Heath, Birmingham) July 8/1 (advt.) Specialists in kebab, tikah, balti meats tandoori chicken and all kinds of curry. 1984 Curry Mag. Winter 29/1 Can anyone tell me what Balti is?.. Some unusual dishes on the menu are Curried Quail, Balti chicken or meat. 1990 Independent (Nexis) 24 Feb. 32 A lot of police..got to know about ‘going for a balti’ while training in Birmingham. 1993 Times 26 June (Mag.) 35/2 I've eaten some passable, if crude, South American stuff and supped off the true Brum vernacular, which is the Kashmiri balti—only in this city do you get a table laid with a metre-long bread. 2000 Evening Post (Bristol) (Electronic ed.) 4 Nov., Not that students have to eat curry before a monster drinking session. They can, of course, grab a balti during and after, all equally satisfying.
As can be seen from the above, Birmingham has a print reference (The Heathan, a local newspaper) equally as old as the anomalous one from Newcastle (1982), and the OED have chosen to ignore the Newcastle one. Perhaps, like the early reference for mushy peas from Tenby (same episode), they were unable to verify it, as it was simply a printed menu. In any case, the question is acedemic, because even the OED admit that the term was coined in 1977 in Birmingham. The source for this is Adil's Restaurant - the people who actually invented it - see here [1]. For all I know, there may well have been an isolated balti house in Newcastle in 1982 - the Asian community have extended families all over the country - but in 1982 there were already dozens in Birmingham, where the concept had already been in existence for half a decade. TharkunColl 18:12, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
This article explains how balti is served, how it is eaten, where the word came from... but not what it actually is! What are the ingredients? How is it made? How is it distinguished from other curry dishes?
Someone please add some information. Mtford 22:18, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
Not just SERVED in a dish, but cooked in it - if they just spoon it into the dish from a big pot, it's not a balti... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.108.151.37 ( talk) 13:53, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
The link in the references section, http://www.birmingham.gov.uk/baltitriangle.bcc, gives a 404... anyone know the correct address?
The full link is http://www.birmingham.gov.uk/GenerateContent?CONTENT_ITEM_ID=23121&CONTENT_ITEM_TYPE=0&MENU_ID=260 -- Unre4L ITY 15:17, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
"Most balti houses are run by Pakistanis. This spicy dish was introduced to the city by its large Kashmiri population (of Pakistan). It's a way of cooking that started in the city in the 1980s." [2] (Sources included, please have a look)
Unre4L 03:46, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
I am Pakistani from Pothohar region and balti food is our centuries old traditional dish. This style of cooking was brought to UK by mirpuri immigrants. Balti word has nothing to do with Baltistan, In our native languages balti (pronounced baalti, with a retroflex t ) is term for pot and balti [pronounced belti with a dental t sound) ] means someone from baltistan. In english they may be spelled similar but are very different words in our language. Balti food is very popular in traditional style restaurants in Rawalpindi, mirpur and neighboring area. I think you guys need to go out of UK to trace the origin of this food. —Preceding
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02:26, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
A visit to Rawalpindi will do, As restaurants there are selling Balti long before it was introduced in Britian. Anyways a quick google search shows http://www.thehindu.com/mp/2008/11/06/stories/2008110650540300.htm http://www.dawn.com/weekly/review/archive/021003/review9.htm Both The Hindu (Indian newspaper) and Dawn (Pakistani newspaper) refer Balti as traditional cuisine and are leading newspapers. Hindu report also gives the dish origins. Any Urdu knowledge should be able to resolve the misconception arising due to transliteration in English. Unfortunately Balti is only popular in Pothwar region and almost unknown in rest of Pakistan where a similar styled dish is called Karahi (again a name of Pot). Many Pakistani spices do have recipes for making both balti and Karahi. Its remarkable to see a dish from a small region to go international and have a wiki page. I think I have pointed to right direction but know that a hubcab sounds more astounding... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.12.47.220 ( talk) 01:56, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
The recent edit to exclusively categorise Balti as "Pakistani" does not seem NPOV to me. Baltistan and Kashmir are both disputed and there are claims to both Indian-ness and Pakistani-ness for them. The food itself has not had its origins firmly established. I don't think it's right to exclusively categorise it as "Pakistani". Comments? Jamesinderbyshire ( talk) 10:57, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
A recent edit in the intro has the buckets being made of stainless steel, but further down, the article says they are made of steel or iron. I wonder if there are any decent sources on this? Tried to find one, but failed. We probably shouldn't have the article being self-contradictory though. Jamesinderbyshire ( talk) 14:42, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
The source that says iron dates to 1886, appriximately 90 years before the balti, as a style of cuisine, was invented. And all that speculation about Baltistan is way off the mark too, since its inhabitants are Tibetans, not Kashmiris. The fact is that balti does indeed mean bucket. These may have been iron in the 19th century, but they aren't now. ðarkun coll 10:33, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Anyway, found a source:
The balti emerged in the south east of Birmingham in 1975 and was a product of Birmingham’s entrepreneurial Pakistani Kashmiri community. Its chefs wanted to create a flavour of their homeland which would appeal to local tastes and generate a few quid for the family coffers. Many of the businesses have remained true to their roots and are family owned and run, which ensures overheads are kept down.
A thin, pressed steel wok-like pan was developed in Birmingham and it is used for the balti style of stir frying over a very high heat. The “balti bowl” was also made in Birmingham, again using thin steel rather than cast iron.
http://www.balti-birmingham.co.uk/about-balti/bpost-on-the-balti
ðarkun coll 10:49, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
This is not what the source says. The source states
"A thin, pressed steel wok-like pan was developed in Birmingham and it is used for the balti style of stir frying over a very high heat. The “balti bowl” was also made in Birmingham, again using thin steel rather than cast iron."
This refers to two separate things, the 'pan' used to cook it and the 'balti bowl' used to serve it in. It just wouldn't be practical for restaurants to cook each individual portion in it's own bowl. Muleattack ( talk) 12:29, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
Since this article is only about balti from your small island nation, or rather from the West Midland portion of your small island nation, is there another article about balti in the larger world? Balti in Canada is a specific spice blend and flavor.```
British not Pakistani — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.152.157.1 ( talk) 03:34, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
The balti may or may not have its origin in Britain but patently features in British cuisine and has evolved significantly in Britain. It may well be pertinent to add templates for Pakistan and/or other countries but the "British cuisine" template is highly pertinent. Mutt Lunker ( talk) 13:53, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Balti (food)/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
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I am confused. I made a real and honest edit, citing the weakness of the sourcing. Some other person, with zero authority I can see, reverted it and simply said, “the sourcing is fine.” I am Indian. I know the fact to be wrong or at least plural in origin. The article itself has two histories. Who is the person or persons who said it’s fine and what authority conferred on them allows them to dismiss the change out of hand?