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Today Balli Kombëtar (National Front) is a nationalist political party in Albania, so the suggested merging should proceed. Bardhylius ( talk) 11:30, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
The articles should be merged. There is no evidence to support the fact that Balli Kombetar was part of the Axis cause. The political movement in Albania is comprised of individuals who have strong ties to those that fought in the war DjBeX ( talk) 18:54, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
This article is in desperate need of some neutrality. "The Communists did not care for their brothers and sisters in Kosovo"? "Yugoslavian masters"? "Balli Kombëtar heroes"? This sounds like Albanian fascist drivel.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.163.179.89 ( talk • contribs)
I changed the page and added alot of stuff and its been properly referenced. Please don't change it back to how it was before since it looked really bad. User:JOMN9878 ( talk) 11:00, 3 December 2010 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.45.21.145( talk)
Therefore, although I protected this page, I will undo the same in some time and would also see how the changes you made with respect to the three reliable sources can be re-included in the article. Kindly note that from now on, it is highly advisable that whenever you wish to include a controversial statement that can be challenged, you should consider discussing the changes first on the talk page along with detailed references that provide you confidence that the change is appropriate. In case you face any issues, feel free to contact me on Wifione ....... Leave a message 20:03, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
The following section should be removed since it's invalid and doesn't contribute to the article in any way. Listed below is what I think should be removed. Adamdaley ( talk) 05:24, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
Numbering at most 2,000 men, these anti-communists held off a partisan force of about 30,000 troops for two months
If nazis had such collaborator why they lost the war? Istoria1944 ( talk) 08:14, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
The article is written from the Point of View of Albanian nationalism, and says all the lies of nationalists on the Balkans, as Greeks, Serbs, Macedonians do. That the communists drunk blood, and the goods but few Nationalists(just 2000 that could handle 30000 !!!!!!!!!!), cooperate just a... little with the Axis for a while.
Bali Kombetar was a nazi collaborator. The nationalists in all the Balkans says exactly the same things, that they fought for a bigger state for a Great Greece/ Albania, Bulgaria because in the past they lost a part of their province and blah blah. Istoria1944 ( talk) 08:29, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
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That is just communist propaganda surviving the Hoxha era. The Communists sold out Albania, the Balli Kombetar was in fact anti invader be they nazis or otherwise. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.107.219.163 ( talk) 11:54, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
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The branches of EDES that fought against the Balli Kombetar were several, the Northern Epirus Liberation Front and some less organized bands that were heavily involved in criminal activities. If the NELF is to be added, the other branches (the less organized bands) should be added as well. Should they be added in the infobox or somewhere in the article? Ktrimi991 ( talk) 00:06, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
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Nder grupet qe kryenin veprime nen tutelen e EDES ishin...i ashtuquajturi Fronti per Clirimin e Vorio Epirit...
There is no point keeping the articles independent. The National Front Party was founded by an Ballist so that party is practically modern day Balli Kombëtar. Also calling them collaborationist and Fascist is pointless since they fought the Italians and only allied with the Germans after the Communists sold them out by denouncing the conference of Mukje. Balli was not fascist in Nature since being Fascist and Collaborating with the Germans is two things. The Soviet union fought in the side of the Americans but they were not capitalist nor the USA Communist. 178.147.198.9 ( talk) 13:30, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
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Hello my granddad was a komandant that was bali kombetar i have a photo of him with hes army closes and its a very good picture and high devenition. Are you intressed to have the picture and put it on your text AlbanCeraja ( talk) 16:16, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
The following three sources were used to support the claim that Balli Kombëtar was antisemitic.
1. http://dengalnaserben.weebly.com/history-1900-to-1949/1944-kosovo-ciami6-giving-birth-to-klauck
2. http://bustikova.faculty.asu.edu/lbs/papers/lb18.pdf
3. https://forward.com/news/500717/nazi-collaborator-monuments-in-albania/
The first source was extracted from a blogpost showing an article written by Carl K. Savich (which has a dead link to the original source at it’s end). He makes unsourced claims about the US government supporting “Greater Albania” and that “Albanians played a MAJOR role in the Holocaust”. This source is very clearly WP:BIASED. It uses “America's recruitment of nazis and its effects on the Cold War” p.123 by Christopher Simpson as a source. Unfortunately, the statement that “The small mountain territory had relatively few Jews, so relatively few were captured and killed, but not for lack of trying by the Balli Kombetar organization, and the Albanian SS” is very strongly contradicted on the Holocaust in Albania article: [33] [34] [35] [36]. On the article we see that antisemitism is more applicable to the SS Skanderbeg alone than Balli Kombëtar.
The second source talks about right wing organizations in Europe today, this has nothing to do with Balli Kombëtar and also never mentions it being anti semitic, so why is it used here?
The third source attributes antisemitism to the SS Skanderbeg and not Balli Kombëtar. This source also conflicts the first source’s claim that Albanians played a major role in the holocaust.
The source states that “ At least one Jewish survivor stated the Mitrovica government refused to hand over lists of Jews in Albania proper to the Nazis”, so it actually further cements the point that the Balli Kombëtar was not anti semitic.
We have more sources talking about how Balli Kombëtar politicians saved Jews than the contrary. So even if some members of the Balli Kombëtar were anti semitic, we can clearly see that it was not a core ideology of the organization.
Antisemitism is an evil ideology, so it’s a big claim to make, and if we cannot find reliable scholarly evidence for this claim, we shouldn’t include it in the info-box.
Agrotqr ( talk) 20:29, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
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Today Balli Kombëtar (National Front) is a nationalist political party in Albania, so the suggested merging should proceed. Bardhylius ( talk) 11:30, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
The articles should be merged. There is no evidence to support the fact that Balli Kombetar was part of the Axis cause. The political movement in Albania is comprised of individuals who have strong ties to those that fought in the war DjBeX ( talk) 18:54, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
This article is in desperate need of some neutrality. "The Communists did not care for their brothers and sisters in Kosovo"? "Yugoslavian masters"? "Balli Kombëtar heroes"? This sounds like Albanian fascist drivel.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.163.179.89 ( talk • contribs)
I changed the page and added alot of stuff and its been properly referenced. Please don't change it back to how it was before since it looked really bad. User:JOMN9878 ( talk) 11:00, 3 December 2010 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.45.21.145( talk)
Therefore, although I protected this page, I will undo the same in some time and would also see how the changes you made with respect to the three reliable sources can be re-included in the article. Kindly note that from now on, it is highly advisable that whenever you wish to include a controversial statement that can be challenged, you should consider discussing the changes first on the talk page along with detailed references that provide you confidence that the change is appropriate. In case you face any issues, feel free to contact me on Wifione ....... Leave a message 20:03, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
The following section should be removed since it's invalid and doesn't contribute to the article in any way. Listed below is what I think should be removed. Adamdaley ( talk) 05:24, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
Numbering at most 2,000 men, these anti-communists held off a partisan force of about 30,000 troops for two months
If nazis had such collaborator why they lost the war? Istoria1944 ( talk) 08:14, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
The article is written from the Point of View of Albanian nationalism, and says all the lies of nationalists on the Balkans, as Greeks, Serbs, Macedonians do. That the communists drunk blood, and the goods but few Nationalists(just 2000 that could handle 30000 !!!!!!!!!!), cooperate just a... little with the Axis for a while.
Bali Kombetar was a nazi collaborator. The nationalists in all the Balkans says exactly the same things, that they fought for a bigger state for a Great Greece/ Albania, Bulgaria because in the past they lost a part of their province and blah blah. Istoria1944 ( talk) 08:29, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
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That is just communist propaganda surviving the Hoxha era. The Communists sold out Albania, the Balli Kombetar was in fact anti invader be they nazis or otherwise. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.107.219.163 ( talk) 11:54, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
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The branches of EDES that fought against the Balli Kombetar were several, the Northern Epirus Liberation Front and some less organized bands that were heavily involved in criminal activities. If the NELF is to be added, the other branches (the less organized bands) should be added as well. Should they be added in the infobox or somewhere in the article? Ktrimi991 ( talk) 00:06, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
References
Nder grupet qe kryenin veprime nen tutelen e EDES ishin...i ashtuquajturi Fronti per Clirimin e Vorio Epirit...
There is no point keeping the articles independent. The National Front Party was founded by an Ballist so that party is practically modern day Balli Kombëtar. Also calling them collaborationist and Fascist is pointless since they fought the Italians and only allied with the Germans after the Communists sold them out by denouncing the conference of Mukje. Balli was not fascist in Nature since being Fascist and Collaborating with the Germans is two things. The Soviet union fought in the side of the Americans but they were not capitalist nor the USA Communist. 178.147.198.9 ( talk) 13:30, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
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Hello my granddad was a komandant that was bali kombetar i have a photo of him with hes army closes and its a very good picture and high devenition. Are you intressed to have the picture and put it on your text AlbanCeraja ( talk) 16:16, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
The following three sources were used to support the claim that Balli Kombëtar was antisemitic.
1. http://dengalnaserben.weebly.com/history-1900-to-1949/1944-kosovo-ciami6-giving-birth-to-klauck
2. http://bustikova.faculty.asu.edu/lbs/papers/lb18.pdf
3. https://forward.com/news/500717/nazi-collaborator-monuments-in-albania/
The first source was extracted from a blogpost showing an article written by Carl K. Savich (which has a dead link to the original source at it’s end). He makes unsourced claims about the US government supporting “Greater Albania” and that “Albanians played a MAJOR role in the Holocaust”. This source is very clearly WP:BIASED. It uses “America's recruitment of nazis and its effects on the Cold War” p.123 by Christopher Simpson as a source. Unfortunately, the statement that “The small mountain territory had relatively few Jews, so relatively few were captured and killed, but not for lack of trying by the Balli Kombetar organization, and the Albanian SS” is very strongly contradicted on the Holocaust in Albania article: [33] [34] [35] [36]. On the article we see that antisemitism is more applicable to the SS Skanderbeg alone than Balli Kombëtar.
The second source talks about right wing organizations in Europe today, this has nothing to do with Balli Kombëtar and also never mentions it being anti semitic, so why is it used here?
The third source attributes antisemitism to the SS Skanderbeg and not Balli Kombëtar. This source also conflicts the first source’s claim that Albanians played a major role in the holocaust.
The source states that “ At least one Jewish survivor stated the Mitrovica government refused to hand over lists of Jews in Albania proper to the Nazis”, so it actually further cements the point that the Balli Kombëtar was not anti semitic.
We have more sources talking about how Balli Kombëtar politicians saved Jews than the contrary. So even if some members of the Balli Kombëtar were anti semitic, we can clearly see that it was not a core ideology of the organization.
Antisemitism is an evil ideology, so it’s a big claim to make, and if we cannot find reliable scholarly evidence for this claim, we shouldn’t include it in the info-box.
Agrotqr ( talk) 20:29, 11 September 2022 (UTC)