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This article's quality is low. Several grammatical errors in the first section, such as the use of the novel word "Bakering," are unacceptable. The information is dubious, such as Egyptians being the first bakers (how could this be if they learned their skills from the Babylonians?) and the number of bakers in Rome around 0 AD. This pages needs an overhaul by someone with real knowledge of the history and practice of baking. -- Offchance ( talk) 06:25, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
As a baker, I'm dissapointed! This page needs more information, perhaps a description of the history of the baking profession. Anyone up for the challenge?
I could not agree more. My wife is a baker who takes great pride in her art. If no one else does a decent job on this article, then I will get her to write it! Dankru 11:05, 19 October 2005 (UTC)dankru
I consider reducing the amount of information on a page (just for the sake of ... well, for the sake of what really??) an incredibly silly thing to do. What's more, who decides which Bakers are particularly notable and which aren't? A single user called Jerzy?
As I tried to point out several times, there are basically two types of lists: those that aim at completeness (all countries that have a monarch) and those that could never do so ( remake).
Well, we have lists of all Allens or Millers who have entries in Wikipedia. Here we might include those we would like to have entries about. But again: Why take people off a list and refer to another list? In an encyclopaedia, how often will you come across the same piece of knowledge on different pages? <KF> 17:48, 11 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I feel a little like i'm "piling on" after your gracious reconsideration, but i am going to add my long would-have-been-response rather than throw all these thots away, even tho, e.g., i don't know that we need a wider discussion at this point.
I also should point out (i'm vague abt whether you understood it) that in many cases the only reason of a Baker being on the List of people by name tree is that i found them on Baker. LoPbN is far from a list of all bio articles! Thanks for helping improve it. -- Jerzy 01:05, 2004 Feb 12 (UTC)
I think thot [see just above] this is worth discussing, and in a larger forum than just people who are watching
Baker. I'm not sure what that would be, but i'm guessing perhaps
Wikipedia:Peer review, with the moribund
Wikipedia Talk:WikiProject Biography as the discussion site, since a list of names is pico-biography and a list like
List of people by name is nano-biography. IMO wider discussion is mandatory, if only bcz i have done or plan similar links (and in all cases but one, move operations) from:
(discovered, similarly, from the link from within the
List of people by name tree), and
from:
which i found some other way.
And finally,
which was the work of User:Docu, who pointed it out at Talk:List of people by name#Layout of 26x26 table (and which i later broke and just repaired the link to).
Points i would anticipate defending include:
-- Jerzy 01:05, 2004 Feb 12 (UTC)
<KF> asks, above:
That's easy: A single user called Jerzy and a few thousand of his closest editing colleagues. Put back any you'd like, and i'll be happy. Even if you put back all who were there and the ones on LoPbN whom you didn't already have (perhaps just red links?), i've had my say and won't revert you, tho i hope you'll credit some of the arguments i made that suggest limiting the quantity. IMO, this is an art to some extent. -- Jerzy 01:05, 2004 Feb 12 (UTC)
I won't comment on each point made above, basically because I largely agree with what has been said. I think it is important to have a complete alphabetical list of people who have their own entries in Wikipedia. And I'm thinking of users not familiar with how Wikipedia is organised: If a casual browser is interested in information on a specific John Brown, what will they type in? Brown? Brown, John? John Brown? John Brown (disambiguation) (ha!)?
Most likely it will be Brown. This is why I've been looking after some of those pages. They should be kept I think.
Also, whenever someone writes a biography they should be encouraged to add the name to the alphabetical list (and probably also to the year and date pages?). I don't know if it says so anywhere.
All the best to you, <KF> 21:34, 12 Feb 2004 (UTC)
This seems an extremely poor view of what a baker does! Although I agree in part, that many bakeries now use pre-mixes, I feel that the explanation of this term subtracts from the level of knowledge and skill that genuine master bakers hold.
Although I agree in part - that many bakeries rely on pre-mixes, I am disappointed by this explanation. I feel that it neglects to detail the immense skill and knowledge of true master-bakers. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Vjforsy ( talk • contribs) 15:38, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
haha..bakers look cool=] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.121.127.94 ( talk) 20:43, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
"The first group of people to bake bread were ancient Egyptians, in 2600-2100 BC. It was believed that they learnt their skills from the Babylonians."
Doesn't this suggest that the Babylonians were first? I don't have any reason to believe that they were, but the above passage does confuse the issue. Jdtapaboc ( talk) 09:59, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
Just from a quick Google, there seems quite a lot to be said about how bakers are mainly guys, and how TV is keeping it "macho", despite cooking traditionally being a woman's job. Women bakers were once called baxters, did you know? I don't want to build the section, but someone else might, and now you're thinking about it. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:19, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
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This article's quality is low. Several grammatical errors in the first section, such as the use of the novel word "Bakering," are unacceptable. The information is dubious, such as Egyptians being the first bakers (how could this be if they learned their skills from the Babylonians?) and the number of bakers in Rome around 0 AD. This pages needs an overhaul by someone with real knowledge of the history and practice of baking. -- Offchance ( talk) 06:25, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
As a baker, I'm dissapointed! This page needs more information, perhaps a description of the history of the baking profession. Anyone up for the challenge?
I could not agree more. My wife is a baker who takes great pride in her art. If no one else does a decent job on this article, then I will get her to write it! Dankru 11:05, 19 October 2005 (UTC)dankru
I consider reducing the amount of information on a page (just for the sake of ... well, for the sake of what really??) an incredibly silly thing to do. What's more, who decides which Bakers are particularly notable and which aren't? A single user called Jerzy?
As I tried to point out several times, there are basically two types of lists: those that aim at completeness (all countries that have a monarch) and those that could never do so ( remake).
Well, we have lists of all Allens or Millers who have entries in Wikipedia. Here we might include those we would like to have entries about. But again: Why take people off a list and refer to another list? In an encyclopaedia, how often will you come across the same piece of knowledge on different pages? <KF> 17:48, 11 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I feel a little like i'm "piling on" after your gracious reconsideration, but i am going to add my long would-have-been-response rather than throw all these thots away, even tho, e.g., i don't know that we need a wider discussion at this point.
I also should point out (i'm vague abt whether you understood it) that in many cases the only reason of a Baker being on the List of people by name tree is that i found them on Baker. LoPbN is far from a list of all bio articles! Thanks for helping improve it. -- Jerzy 01:05, 2004 Feb 12 (UTC)
I think thot [see just above] this is worth discussing, and in a larger forum than just people who are watching
Baker. I'm not sure what that would be, but i'm guessing perhaps
Wikipedia:Peer review, with the moribund
Wikipedia Talk:WikiProject Biography as the discussion site, since a list of names is pico-biography and a list like
List of people by name is nano-biography. IMO wider discussion is mandatory, if only bcz i have done or plan similar links (and in all cases but one, move operations) from:
(discovered, similarly, from the link from within the
List of people by name tree), and
from:
which i found some other way.
And finally,
which was the work of User:Docu, who pointed it out at Talk:List of people by name#Layout of 26x26 table (and which i later broke and just repaired the link to).
Points i would anticipate defending include:
-- Jerzy 01:05, 2004 Feb 12 (UTC)
<KF> asks, above:
That's easy: A single user called Jerzy and a few thousand of his closest editing colleagues. Put back any you'd like, and i'll be happy. Even if you put back all who were there and the ones on LoPbN whom you didn't already have (perhaps just red links?), i've had my say and won't revert you, tho i hope you'll credit some of the arguments i made that suggest limiting the quantity. IMO, this is an art to some extent. -- Jerzy 01:05, 2004 Feb 12 (UTC)
I won't comment on each point made above, basically because I largely agree with what has been said. I think it is important to have a complete alphabetical list of people who have their own entries in Wikipedia. And I'm thinking of users not familiar with how Wikipedia is organised: If a casual browser is interested in information on a specific John Brown, what will they type in? Brown? Brown, John? John Brown? John Brown (disambiguation) (ha!)?
Most likely it will be Brown. This is why I've been looking after some of those pages. They should be kept I think.
Also, whenever someone writes a biography they should be encouraged to add the name to the alphabetical list (and probably also to the year and date pages?). I don't know if it says so anywhere.
All the best to you, <KF> 21:34, 12 Feb 2004 (UTC)
This seems an extremely poor view of what a baker does! Although I agree in part, that many bakeries now use pre-mixes, I feel that the explanation of this term subtracts from the level of knowledge and skill that genuine master bakers hold.
Although I agree in part - that many bakeries rely on pre-mixes, I am disappointed by this explanation. I feel that it neglects to detail the immense skill and knowledge of true master-bakers. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Vjforsy ( talk • contribs) 15:38, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
haha..bakers look cool=] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.121.127.94 ( talk) 20:43, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
"The first group of people to bake bread were ancient Egyptians, in 2600-2100 BC. It was believed that they learnt their skills from the Babylonians."
Doesn't this suggest that the Babylonians were first? I don't have any reason to believe that they were, but the above passage does confuse the issue. Jdtapaboc ( talk) 09:59, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
Just from a quick Google, there seems quite a lot to be said about how bakers are mainly guys, and how TV is keeping it "macho", despite cooking traditionally being a woman's job. Women bakers were once called baxters, did you know? I don't want to build the section, but someone else might, and now you're thinking about it. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:19, 28 May 2015 (UTC)