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Where on earth do baked beans cost two pounds a can? I live in the UK, and have never seen a price anywhere near that! Loganberry ( Talk) 00:17, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
The Reference about £1.86 beans refers to a 4 pack of heinz beans. The article appears to say that they cost £1.86 per can. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.31.103.30 ( talk) 17:42, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
This article is far too UK based. Heinz for instance is an American company - but the article only talks about its British product. Rmhermen 20:22, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
speaking of new england baked beans, what about bean hole beans? growing up in main bean hole beans were huge at every large gathering, especially family reunions. they're cooked in a bean hole outside, i don't remember much more, i moved away from maine when i was 12 Iamnobody2 09:52, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
It should definitely show the way traditional Americans prepare baked beans if there is two pictures of how baked beans are prepared in UK. Maybe there needs to be separate pages for baked beans and how they are prepared in every single country since we can't create a neutral article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dirt290 ( talk • contribs) 01:15, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
What is the history of baked beans? Who "invented" tinned baked beans?-- feline1 13:56, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
Quite. I came here looking for information about who made the first canned baked beans and when, and found nothing. My understanding is that cans of beans were common amongst pioneers in the old West (of the US) and that this use probably predated widespread consumption of baked beans in Britain. But who knows.
I note also that canned baked beans are made in Australia and New Zealand and are popular there. Maybe they're popular in South Africa as well?
Not the the (presumably) mainly British contributors to this article show any sign of interest in anything much relating to beans outside the UK -- it's one of the most annoyingly parochial articles I've read on Wikipedia. Very disappointing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.92.58.112 ( talk) 11:11, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
Yes, the article is too UK-centric.
The Heinz baked beans in tomato sauce you get in Canada (and presumably the US too - someone else will have to confirm this) is a different recipe to that you get in the UK, Ireland etc. (other brand baked beans available in the British Isles arebroadly similar to the Heinz recipe). It is sweeter, with fewer savoury flavours (spices, onion etc.). The difference is enough that a lifelong baked-bean lover such as myself will not buy the Canadian version, choosing instead to buy Amy's organic baked beans, or to eat home-made. I understand that homesick English-speaking Europeans from all over Greater Vancouver will visit the British shop in Steveston to get their fix of baked beans that aren't sickly sweet to their palates.
In Canada you will find beans in tomato sauce displayed alongside beans with tomato sauce and pork (i.e. a tin of baked beans with a small lump of fat in it) and beans in maple syrup. I don't know whether or not it is the same in the U.S., or whether this is another Quebecois fast food that, like poutine, has spread to the rest of Canada.
One should also bear in mind the farting scene in Blazing Saddles. As far as I know (someone will need to do some research to prove me right or wrong), this is based on a historical fact, that canned beans were a common item in a U.S./Canadian cowboy diet, as were some other canned foods, such as tomatoes. (This would not have been true, incidentally, in Argentina, where the eating of food other than meat was regarded by the cowboys as a sign of homosexuality, and a lot of the cowboys therefore had rickets.) There was certainly a phase in U.S. cowboy culture when meals were prepared from dried beans on the chuckwagon. As I said, it is my belief that canned beans would have replaced dried beans as they became available, but someone will need to prove me right or wrong. It would be great if the person who does so could also ammend the chuckwagon article.
What I know of cowboy diet comes from having read Cowboys of the Americas by Richard W. Slatta a few years ago.
Ireneshusband 17:48, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
I was wondering if Gravče na tavče should be merged here. It's an old Macedonian dish that is basically Baked beans. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tav%C4%8De_Grav%C4%8De Strjela —Preceding undated comment added 08:15, 17 August 2009 (UTC).
Don't baked beans make you fart? I don't see that anywhere here. JayKeaton 09:53, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
I removed the following from the traditional cuisine part
According to the Irish breakfast article, baked beans are not part of the traditional Irish breakfast an indeed may be frowned upon due to their connection with the English. While baked beans may appear in some non-traditional Irish breakfasts I would suggest this is largely irrelevant as they also appear in many other breakfasts styles with British influence. In any case the above line clearly does not fit in to the description (Traditional cuisines of many regions claim such recipes as typical specialities, for example) Nil Einne 15:22, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
"In October 2005, Premier Foods Plc launched Branston Baked Beans. The marketing and promotion of this product was aimed squarely at challenging Heinz's dominance of the UK baked bean market. This marketing included an advert, featuring a Branston Bean Tin explaining how Branston Beans are very "saucy." Promotional activities included a 'Great British Bean Poll' where members of the public across the country were invited to blind taste both 'the brand leader' (assumed to be Heinz) and Branston. 76% of participants picked Branston over the brand leader. Heinz was subsequently obliged to re-evaluate its advertising strategy in the face of this aggressive activity, although in public Heinz spokespeople dismissed the challenge as a 'non-starter'."
This paragraph might belong better in a Heinz or Branston Baked Beans page and not in a general food article.
I think the last line (about the reason for bean price wars) is kind of useless. Surely it is obvious that the reason for the price wars was for each retailer to get people to shop in their store, not to encourage the eating of beans or any other related foods. That's what a price war is. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.128.68.185 ( talk) 18:03, 28 April 2007 (UTC).
I understand that many consider the article to be UK-biased, but I don’t understand how it can’t be when the topic is so quintessentially British. Yes, there may be worldwide variations, indeed they are mentioned in the article, but as the largest consumer of beans in the world, I think we (the UK) ought to have the slight bias in this article (I know, I know, NPOV). After all, it is hard to find references to variations other than the British variety. On a side note, are the varities mentioned in the article actually called ‘baked beans’ or does it just happen so that they are prepared in that manner? British baked beans, as the article states, are not even baked, they are just called so. The long and short of it: the article deals with world variations (and I’m not denying that there isn’t room for expansion in this area), but ‘baked beans’, the majority of the time, refers to the British variety. Just do a Google search. My point is we shouldn’t tag the article as not dealing with a worldwide view for a fear of minorly violating the NPOV policy (for a topic such as this one). Use common sense, don’t eschew an article’s necessary bias for fear of the NPOV. As a result, I am removing the template. Rant over. Max Naylor 13:30, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
I understand how this would look like a British article. For example the section discussing the regional variations, does not need to discuss the calorie content difference. To me it seems like a veiled attempt to say american tastes are more unhealthy than British ones, but maybe I'm just cynical. Simply stating they're sweeter and mushier in texture is good enough for me. Although I've left the extra info there, as I don't like to remove information from an article. ( 195.188.208.251 15:39, 26 September 2007 (UTC))
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2 | Sweden | £610,000 |
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7 | Dubai | £141,000 |
8 | Bahrain | £102,000 |
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Polish version of beans is not baked. It is cooked.
I feel that mentioning Heinz is unnecessary in understanding what baked beans are. Their marketing research and advertisement slogans are irrelevant, and reek of commercialism. Also, if you look at the H.J Heinz company's wiki page, this so-called famous product of theirs isn't even mentioned! Does anyone have a good reason why NOT to delete this section? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.64.80.30 ( talk) 17:00, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
When in doubt, do something constructive. For example: add information about their competitors. Whitebox ( talk) 22:53, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
I have enjoyed canned baked beans in Australian cafes, indeed 'metropolitan' cafes, and even the odd 4 star hotel. It's really not that unusual. I suspect that house made 'fresh' baked beans are the exception rather than the rule. This however would be speculation and original research. Consequently, I've added 'citation needed' tags. 60.240.207.146 ( talk) 09:29, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
Agree 100%. Probably written by someone trying to make their cafe sound posher than it is. How do we go about deleting this rubbish? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.99.33.59 ( talk) 06:03, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
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I think this page should link to the beans page given that baked beans are in fact beans TimPPreston ( talk) 08:59, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
I love that someone would write the history of beens on toast — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C4:6B0B:BD00:A986:D31B:2E33:1E25 ( talk) 21:52, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
Does this read correctly for anyone? To me it sounds like two sentences got edited together, and something needs to be removed... Wikinetman ( talk) 18:53, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
I am confused how a foodstuff that not one American I know (and I live in America) eats, that is only available as a British import managed to relegate it's cultural importance as classically working class British poverty food to a foot note in one section of an article about how the whole thing was clearly American.
Baffling. 23.118.51.142 ( talk) 20:45, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
Just curious—from a culinary/health perspective, it seems that oligosaccharides and other fermentable flatulence-causing compounds are best broken down by the extremely prolonged cooking time of beans, and my guess is this is why Native Americans were apt to cook them like this in the first place. The nursery rhyme about beans is certainly true, but especially as it applies to beans cooked for what is these days considered a ‘conventional’ time of up to only a couple hours. Why, then, is a nursery rhyme about flatulence included specifically in this article about an extremely thorough cooking method which results in expectably low levels of fermentable compounds? Why is this nursery rhyme reported to be particularly ‘about’ beans baked in this way? Seems contradictory and overly specific—that is, unless the author of that passage is claiming modernity’s canned baked beans are particularly flatulent and the rhyme is about them. But if that’s the case, it should be clarified, as the sentiment is pretty antithetical to the culinary science outlined elsewhere in the article as to why such an unusually long cook is beneficial to digestion. 199.16.255.253 ( talk) 21:58, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
Many of the "facts" in this article are stated as such but are suppositions. Please refer to the book, The Truth About Baked Beans" by Meg Muckenhaupt. For example, there is no evidence Wampanoags sweetened their beans with maple syrup. None. The intentional romanticization of New England dishes that didn't exist until the Victorian era have permeated cookbooks and restaurants but are fictional folklore, much in the way that Washington Irving's history sketchbook made up traditions and histories that never existed before he dreamed them up. Barthnelson ( talk) 13:03, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
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Where on earth do baked beans cost two pounds a can? I live in the UK, and have never seen a price anywhere near that! Loganberry ( Talk) 00:17, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
The Reference about £1.86 beans refers to a 4 pack of heinz beans. The article appears to say that they cost £1.86 per can. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.31.103.30 ( talk) 17:42, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
This article is far too UK based. Heinz for instance is an American company - but the article only talks about its British product. Rmhermen 20:22, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
speaking of new england baked beans, what about bean hole beans? growing up in main bean hole beans were huge at every large gathering, especially family reunions. they're cooked in a bean hole outside, i don't remember much more, i moved away from maine when i was 12 Iamnobody2 09:52, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
It should definitely show the way traditional Americans prepare baked beans if there is two pictures of how baked beans are prepared in UK. Maybe there needs to be separate pages for baked beans and how they are prepared in every single country since we can't create a neutral article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dirt290 ( talk • contribs) 01:15, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
What is the history of baked beans? Who "invented" tinned baked beans?-- feline1 13:56, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
Quite. I came here looking for information about who made the first canned baked beans and when, and found nothing. My understanding is that cans of beans were common amongst pioneers in the old West (of the US) and that this use probably predated widespread consumption of baked beans in Britain. But who knows.
I note also that canned baked beans are made in Australia and New Zealand and are popular there. Maybe they're popular in South Africa as well?
Not the the (presumably) mainly British contributors to this article show any sign of interest in anything much relating to beans outside the UK -- it's one of the most annoyingly parochial articles I've read on Wikipedia. Very disappointing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.92.58.112 ( talk) 11:11, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
Yes, the article is too UK-centric.
The Heinz baked beans in tomato sauce you get in Canada (and presumably the US too - someone else will have to confirm this) is a different recipe to that you get in the UK, Ireland etc. (other brand baked beans available in the British Isles arebroadly similar to the Heinz recipe). It is sweeter, with fewer savoury flavours (spices, onion etc.). The difference is enough that a lifelong baked-bean lover such as myself will not buy the Canadian version, choosing instead to buy Amy's organic baked beans, or to eat home-made. I understand that homesick English-speaking Europeans from all over Greater Vancouver will visit the British shop in Steveston to get their fix of baked beans that aren't sickly sweet to their palates.
In Canada you will find beans in tomato sauce displayed alongside beans with tomato sauce and pork (i.e. a tin of baked beans with a small lump of fat in it) and beans in maple syrup. I don't know whether or not it is the same in the U.S., or whether this is another Quebecois fast food that, like poutine, has spread to the rest of Canada.
One should also bear in mind the farting scene in Blazing Saddles. As far as I know (someone will need to do some research to prove me right or wrong), this is based on a historical fact, that canned beans were a common item in a U.S./Canadian cowboy diet, as were some other canned foods, such as tomatoes. (This would not have been true, incidentally, in Argentina, where the eating of food other than meat was regarded by the cowboys as a sign of homosexuality, and a lot of the cowboys therefore had rickets.) There was certainly a phase in U.S. cowboy culture when meals were prepared from dried beans on the chuckwagon. As I said, it is my belief that canned beans would have replaced dried beans as they became available, but someone will need to prove me right or wrong. It would be great if the person who does so could also ammend the chuckwagon article.
What I know of cowboy diet comes from having read Cowboys of the Americas by Richard W. Slatta a few years ago.
Ireneshusband 17:48, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
I was wondering if Gravče na tavče should be merged here. It's an old Macedonian dish that is basically Baked beans. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tav%C4%8De_Grav%C4%8De Strjela —Preceding undated comment added 08:15, 17 August 2009 (UTC).
Don't baked beans make you fart? I don't see that anywhere here. JayKeaton 09:53, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
I removed the following from the traditional cuisine part
According to the Irish breakfast article, baked beans are not part of the traditional Irish breakfast an indeed may be frowned upon due to their connection with the English. While baked beans may appear in some non-traditional Irish breakfasts I would suggest this is largely irrelevant as they also appear in many other breakfasts styles with British influence. In any case the above line clearly does not fit in to the description (Traditional cuisines of many regions claim such recipes as typical specialities, for example) Nil Einne 15:22, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
"In October 2005, Premier Foods Plc launched Branston Baked Beans. The marketing and promotion of this product was aimed squarely at challenging Heinz's dominance of the UK baked bean market. This marketing included an advert, featuring a Branston Bean Tin explaining how Branston Beans are very "saucy." Promotional activities included a 'Great British Bean Poll' where members of the public across the country were invited to blind taste both 'the brand leader' (assumed to be Heinz) and Branston. 76% of participants picked Branston over the brand leader. Heinz was subsequently obliged to re-evaluate its advertising strategy in the face of this aggressive activity, although in public Heinz spokespeople dismissed the challenge as a 'non-starter'."
This paragraph might belong better in a Heinz or Branston Baked Beans page and not in a general food article.
I think the last line (about the reason for bean price wars) is kind of useless. Surely it is obvious that the reason for the price wars was for each retailer to get people to shop in their store, not to encourage the eating of beans or any other related foods. That's what a price war is. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.128.68.185 ( talk) 18:03, 28 April 2007 (UTC).
I understand that many consider the article to be UK-biased, but I don’t understand how it can’t be when the topic is so quintessentially British. Yes, there may be worldwide variations, indeed they are mentioned in the article, but as the largest consumer of beans in the world, I think we (the UK) ought to have the slight bias in this article (I know, I know, NPOV). After all, it is hard to find references to variations other than the British variety. On a side note, are the varities mentioned in the article actually called ‘baked beans’ or does it just happen so that they are prepared in that manner? British baked beans, as the article states, are not even baked, they are just called so. The long and short of it: the article deals with world variations (and I’m not denying that there isn’t room for expansion in this area), but ‘baked beans’, the majority of the time, refers to the British variety. Just do a Google search. My point is we shouldn’t tag the article as not dealing with a worldwide view for a fear of minorly violating the NPOV policy (for a topic such as this one). Use common sense, don’t eschew an article’s necessary bias for fear of the NPOV. As a result, I am removing the template. Rant over. Max Naylor 13:30, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
I understand how this would look like a British article. For example the section discussing the regional variations, does not need to discuss the calorie content difference. To me it seems like a veiled attempt to say american tastes are more unhealthy than British ones, but maybe I'm just cynical. Simply stating they're sweeter and mushier in texture is good enough for me. Although I've left the extra info there, as I don't like to remove information from an article. ( 195.188.208.251 15:39, 26 September 2007 (UTC))
1 | United Kingdom | £105,000,000 |
2 | Sweden | £610,000 |
3 | Greece | £290,000 |
4 | West Africa | £272,000 |
5 | Spain | £250,000 |
6 | NAAFI, West Germany | £213,000 |
7 | Dubai | £141,000 |
8 | Bahrain | £102,000 |
9 | Kuwait | £78,000 |
10 | Saudi Arabia | £77,000 |
Polish version of beans is not baked. It is cooked.
I feel that mentioning Heinz is unnecessary in understanding what baked beans are. Their marketing research and advertisement slogans are irrelevant, and reek of commercialism. Also, if you look at the H.J Heinz company's wiki page, this so-called famous product of theirs isn't even mentioned! Does anyone have a good reason why NOT to delete this section? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.64.80.30 ( talk) 17:00, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
When in doubt, do something constructive. For example: add information about their competitors. Whitebox ( talk) 22:53, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
I have enjoyed canned baked beans in Australian cafes, indeed 'metropolitan' cafes, and even the odd 4 star hotel. It's really not that unusual. I suspect that house made 'fresh' baked beans are the exception rather than the rule. This however would be speculation and original research. Consequently, I've added 'citation needed' tags. 60.240.207.146 ( talk) 09:29, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
Agree 100%. Probably written by someone trying to make their cafe sound posher than it is. How do we go about deleting this rubbish? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.99.33.59 ( talk) 06:03, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
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I think this page should link to the beans page given that baked beans are in fact beans TimPPreston ( talk) 08:59, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
I love that someone would write the history of beens on toast — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C4:6B0B:BD00:A986:D31B:2E33:1E25 ( talk) 21:52, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
Does this read correctly for anyone? To me it sounds like two sentences got edited together, and something needs to be removed... Wikinetman ( talk) 18:53, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
I am confused how a foodstuff that not one American I know (and I live in America) eats, that is only available as a British import managed to relegate it's cultural importance as classically working class British poverty food to a foot note in one section of an article about how the whole thing was clearly American.
Baffling. 23.118.51.142 ( talk) 20:45, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
Just curious—from a culinary/health perspective, it seems that oligosaccharides and other fermentable flatulence-causing compounds are best broken down by the extremely prolonged cooking time of beans, and my guess is this is why Native Americans were apt to cook them like this in the first place. The nursery rhyme about beans is certainly true, but especially as it applies to beans cooked for what is these days considered a ‘conventional’ time of up to only a couple hours. Why, then, is a nursery rhyme about flatulence included specifically in this article about an extremely thorough cooking method which results in expectably low levels of fermentable compounds? Why is this nursery rhyme reported to be particularly ‘about’ beans baked in this way? Seems contradictory and overly specific—that is, unless the author of that passage is claiming modernity’s canned baked beans are particularly flatulent and the rhyme is about them. But if that’s the case, it should be clarified, as the sentiment is pretty antithetical to the culinary science outlined elsewhere in the article as to why such an unusually long cook is beneficial to digestion. 199.16.255.253 ( talk) 21:58, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
Many of the "facts" in this article are stated as such but are suppositions. Please refer to the book, The Truth About Baked Beans" by Meg Muckenhaupt. For example, there is no evidence Wampanoags sweetened their beans with maple syrup. None. The intentional romanticization of New England dishes that didn't exist until the Victorian era have permeated cookbooks and restaurants but are fictional folklore, much in the way that Washington Irving's history sketchbook made up traditions and histories that never existed before he dreamed them up. Barthnelson ( talk) 13:03, 27 May 2024 (UTC)