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The sales data on this page are positively incorrect and unresourced. Here are the ones found via the net:
http://www.mp3.com/news/stories/5070.html&ref_id=170877&ref_type_id=1 Worldwide: 87m Never Gone: 2m
http://music.barnesandnoble.com/search/product.asp?z=y&ean=12414177926 Backstreet Boys: 13m
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/showbiz/1468141.stm Back n Blue: 6m
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Backstreet-Boys-Has-Been-Certified-Platinum-6824.shtml Never Gone: 3m
http://arts.enotes.com/contemporary-musicians/backstreet-boys-biography Backstreet Boys: 11m
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1477802/bio Worldwide: 80m
http://www.livedaily.com/news/1862.html Millenium: 30m
http://www.fyiottawa.com/cgi-bin/niveau2.cgi?s=arts&p=42154.html&a=1 Back n Blue: 14m
http://www.theage.com.au/news/music/backstreets-back-alright/2005/09/05/1125772450951.html Worldwide: 73m
http://special.time.net.my/time4u/music/article.cfm?ID=159 Worldwide: 73m
http://mal_pal_69.tripod.com/id17.htm Millenium: 30m
http://backstreetboysblog.donyell.net/?m=200508 Never Gone: 3m 60.234.242.196 09:41, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
http://www.mediatraffic.de/albums-2005.htm - Never Gone #25 best selling album of 2005 - 2.2m 60.234.242.196 20:58, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
http://www.newmusicfriday.com/?nmf=20050513 - total sales of 75m, but this is before Greatest Hits and Never Gone. Therefore adding these, this comes to 84m. All this data is saying the same thing, total worldwide sales of approx. 85m. There is no (non clone) site that gives a higher figure. 60.234.242.196 09:53, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
Backstreet Boys (US) self titled Album. This was released ONLY in the USA, and was credited 14 x Platinum, so how (how!) can anyone claim it sold 25m. The album Backstreet Boys Back was released internationally excluding the USA, and only went 2 x platinum in the UK, so how (how!) can anyone claim it also sold 25m. All sites I have visited show one sales figure combining the totals (14m and looks like 11m internationally) to equate to 25m. So, either these can be counted together or separately, but NOT 25m each. 60.234.242.196 09:53, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
http://www.bsb-brasil.com/site/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=21&Itemid=39 is a clone of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Backstreet_Boys_awards You can check the history to see that Kmnmo inflated the sales figures on this, then once this site updated from wikipedia, then referenced it. This CANNOT be used 60.234.242.196 10:04, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
http://www.lyricsystem.com/backstreet-boys/ is a clone of the Backstreet Boys main wikipedia page, but is very old. This has since been cleaned up and the fictional figures have been removed. This CANNOT be used 60.234.242.196 10:11, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
http://www.ukmix.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=901528#901528 is a forum where User Kmnmo used an existing forum page, increased the sales figures for BSB then referenced it back into wikipedia. Here is the correct forum: http://www.ukmix.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=33707 . 60.234.242.196 21:20, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
http://www.popdirt.com/modules.php?name=News&file=com&sid=46037 is a forum, and zero referencing to where data came from. And if anyone bothers to actually read the comments are even research any of the figures, they are not even close to real sales. Anyone can put any figures they want on a forum, then we are expected to believe them? Wikipedia is about sourcing reliable, verifiable data. This is NOT such a case. This link cannot be used. 60.234.242.196 21:19, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
This is a dispute about consistant editing of this page with unsourceds sales figures
146.171.254.66 20:55, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
You have noted that the 30 million figure is from 1999, and are making an assumption that as it is now 2007, they must have sold another 10 million, matching the reference you found. But this is an assumption, and these are not allowed on wikipedia. I have already mentioned that the link you have found which states 40 million is also non credible, when compared to all others. I will also attempt to show you that their sales have not been good over the past 6 years, and hope you will learn from this and stop re-editing on your beliefs. Millennium and BSB was a major hit in the USA, and it counted for 40% of global sales, so let us use the US market as an example: In December 1999 Millennium had sold 9.4 million [3]. By end of 2000, this was 11.7m [4]. By end of 2001, this was 12.0 million [5], and they were awarded 13 x Platinum even though they sold only 12 million. By end of 2003 it was 12.06 million [6]. By the end of 2006 it was 12.1 million [7]. Therefore in their biggest market they have sold only 0.4 million in the past 6 years. In the past 5 years after their last creditation in 2001 they have sold only 0.1 million. I am hoping that you can now see that the data makes it totally impossible for another 10 million to be sold, thus 30m is the best figure to use, and it is referenced so often by all sources. 60.234.242.196 10:25, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
Part of the wikipedia policy on ensuring accurate dat, is for verifiable sources to be used, and that concensus is also used. Therefore if all sites say one fact, and another source goes against said concensus, then it is not considered a verifiable resource. Here is from the internet - BBC News [9] 20 million worldwide (21 January 2000), AJ News [10] 30 million, Geocities [11] 30 million, allpop.com (Toronto Sun) [12] 30 million, Interlink Media [13] 40 million, Entertainment Wire [14] 28 million, Backstreet Net [15] 21 MILLION, Amazon.com [16] 20 million, BK [17] 22 million. The concensus is therefore that it has sold 20 - 30 million worldwide 60.234.242.196 23:50, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
THE 40 MILLION CLAIM IS CRAZYYY!!!!
-- 85.75.116.184 ( talk) 19:39, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
References
Once again, the data is incorrect. You have referenced 3 sites that are quoting the same source, and as said before, these are forums where the data is disputed. Therefore before changing again, please actually reseach. As I have shown, 30 million is a credible figure for Millennium. Although some say this figure is also inflated. So, let us look at sales figures compared to Millenium. In the USA - the biggest market, Black & Blue sold only 60% of the sales for Millennium [18]. In the 2nd biggest market of the UK, Black & Blue sold only 100,000 copies [19]. This is 30% of what Millenium achieved [20]. Look at Germany, another stronghold for BSB, Millenium sold 200,000 under Roughtrade label, and 300,000 under Zomba label [21], whereas Black and Blue sold 200,000 only [22] = 40%. Another one - Australia. Millennium sold 210,000 whereas Black and Blue sold 70,000 [23]. Again, 30%. You can see that sales for Black & Blue would be closer to 50% of Millennium NOT 80% as your figure of 24 million suggests. I have therefore reverted it. 60.234.242.196 10:50, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
I refer you to the 2001 IFPI Recording Association for 2001 [24]. On page 5 it states that Black & Blue was the 10th biggest chart topping album of the year. If you research the sales for an album that was similar i.e. Madonna's - Music. This sold 13m worldwide (refer links to this on the Madonna Discography discussion page), Red Hot Chili Peppers - Californication has sold 15m to date. [25], Eminem's The Marshall Mathers LP, which did far better than Black and Blue, sold 19m [26] to date. This once again is showing that Black and Blue sales 'are likely' to be in the same vicinity, and NOT 24m. 60.234.242.196 22:20, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
-- Mysterious Spy 14:53, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Refer Best-selling albums in the United States since Nielsen SoundScan tracking began. Millennium (Backstreet Boys album) has sold 0.12 million in past 5 years in BSB's biggest market. Backstreet Boys (US album) has sold 0.8 million in the same period. So you are wanting everyone to believe that their average selling album has sold an additional 9 million in the same period , and without supply evidence. 60.234.242.196 01:31, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
the following was referenced as a source: *Worldwide Sales: 13 million+ [1] This cannot be used for the following reasons. Firstly, it is a discussion group, not a verifiable source. Secondly, even if you read the discussions, you find that the person who made the claim did so by reading it on answers.com, which is a clone of wikipedia, and is also not allowed. Therefore reversing this. 60.234.242.196 21:20, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
These sales are completely false.
think about it how can their greatest hits (which have gone pletinum in us and uk) have sold 10 million while their "never gone" album which has gone exactly the same in the charts (platinum- gold in the us, uk respectively) has sold less than 3 million their greatest hits sales are way less than 5 million ... anyway
-- Mysterious Spy 20:04, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
STOP INFLATING THE SALES OVER AND OVER AGAIN!! CANT U READ!!??
-- Mysterious Spy ( talk) 16:25, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
thx and i hope that this issue is solved already!!
-- Mysterious Spy ( talk) 19:53, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
ps. 9dont play with my nerves i too have some limits...)
-- Mysterious Spy ( talk) 20:46, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
Sales of 200 million. Finding a reference regardless of source does not make it a verified source. There is concensus in the music industry that BSB have sold 100 million, and this is reflected in the album sales showing. dailymirror source. This is from a valid, reputable source, but does not match all other known references. It (opinion only) is the same data that used to be on this discography page prior to it being referenced and researched. Eight88 ( talk) 20:21, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
it was said in the interviews and if any one of you have bought for the fans dvd its subjected in the video
The Backstreet's Back article itself states that. In addition, Backstreet's Back is estimated to have sold 28 million copies according to the list of best-selling albums worldwide. It would have been impossible for that album to have sold so much as sources suggest its sales are only around 11-12 million. In addition, the german certifications don't make sense. Backstreet's Back has directly gone platinum without even getting gold status. The debut was already certified platinum (or 2x platinum) so it makes sense that Backstreet's Back's certifications were continued from platinum onward,ie, 2x Platinum-Platinum giving the actual sales 203.101.45.224 ( talk) 18:31, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
All I can tell you is that music industry-associations in each market operate differently, and we really don't need to know every minor detail of their operations. Minor anomalies such as posting incorrect release-dates as AMPROFON has here (which seems to be corrected later at the highest award status, January 5, 1998) is not to be our main focus, what is important to us is the final/highest certification-awards for an album in question. As for BPI posting the Silver-award before the release-date, is not at all confusing as BPI does certify records in UK based on shipments, and at least 60,000 units of Backstreet Boys seems to have been ordered before the release-date which is why the date of the Silver-award by BPI is as appears. Again, you really should not micro-analyze the details of their operations including ARIA. We only need to look at the highest certification-award for albums, and that should satisfy what we try to achieve here at wikipedia. -- Harout72 ( talk) 05:07, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
It's more correct to say that the highest certification is what should matter. That said, for Backstreet's Back, we only need to look at what the highest posted certification by AMPROFON (Mexico) is, Platinum and Gold = 350,000, and it's very clear, and it should not be confusing, and no it's not two different albums. As for Bundesverband Musikindustrie's (Germany's) certifications, I believe it was you with whom I discussed the certifications for Backstreet Boys, one Platinum by BMG München, and one by Rough Trade. In my opinion, one of the given Platinums for Backstreet Boys is for the International version and the other for U.S. version, the latter of which was also, I assume, released there later, because Music Associations normally do not treat/certify the same title separately when it later gets re-released by another label. They sometimes certify it separately when it's a re-issue released by another label decades later, but it's not normally done when the release-dates of the same title are only months apart. Overall; however, in Europe, Backstreet's Back has sold 5 million+ units, and Backstreet Boys (the international version) has sold 3 million+ units.-- Harout72 ( talk) 15:32, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
What makes you 100% sure of the US version not having been released in Germany? Backstreet Boys' US certified sales only is: Albums= 37,000,000, Singles= 3,100,000, Videos= 1,400,000. Their Canadian certified sales is: Albums=3,150,000, Videos=340,000. I am not sure where you've seen the 4.2 million in Canadian sales, but it looks like it's for album-sales only. Backstreet Boys' certified sales from the markets which offer certification-databases is well over 65,000,000.-- Harout72 ( talk) 19:52, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
Your statement --->Is it combination of album and video sales because they have certifications of only 31.5 m, I was under the impression that you thought Backstreet Boys' entire certified sales is 31.5 million; therefore, I pointed out that the US certified sales only is way above that. No offense but I think you might want to re-check what you type before hitting the Save button. Because you also did mistype the Canadian sales above, 4.2 million. By the way, the 4,081,000 is for all units that Backstreet Boys have sold since Neilsen Soundscan was launched, Singles, Albums etc.-- Harout72 ( talk) 04:25, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
I don't think you really understand how the certification-schemes are operated. One thing I can assure you of is that IFPI Europe or any other associations do not inflate certifications. And because some markets do not offer certification-databases, doesn't mean they do not certify, for instance Italy, Spain, the certification-award-levels of both were Platinum=100,000, Gold= 50,000 before the music piracy began, and there are many other markets including the Czech Republic, Hungary, Russia, Ukraine, and many others, the combination of the sales of all those would bring the actual sales of Backstreet's Back to 5 million+ mark for the entire Europe. Also keep in mind that IFPI Europe doesn't certify albums based on what the certification-status for each album represents in each market, IFPI Europe certifies albums based on sales submitted by each European market. Consequently, if an album released in Germany in 1997, which has sold 1,240,000, and in Bundesverband Musikindutrie's database, it shows as 2x Platinum for sales of 1,000,000, we won't see the remainder units before it reaches the next certification level. The same goes for all other markets. Besides that, the record companies in each market respectively, may not have paid the necessary fee for the associations to post the next platinum-award. That said, the actual sales in Germany could be 1,500,000 but Bundesverband Musikindustrie will not post the 3rd Platinum for Backstreet's Back until it receives the fee from the record company. Therefore, IFPI (Europe)'s 5x Platinum may seem a lot more than it should be. I think we've covered in this discussion everything that needed to be covered.-- Harout72 ( talk) 15:46, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
Hungary's certification-award-levels before December 1997 were Platinum=100,000, Gold=50,000, see it here, Ukraine's award-levels for foreign artists also were Platinum=100,000, Gold=50,000. And this is what the European available markets' certified sales are for Backstreet's Back:
And based on the certified sales of only those markets above, we have 2,499,334, which easily could be 3,360,000 in actual sales just for those markets above. Bear in mind that we are missing sales of dozens of European markets, including Italy, Spain, Denmark, the Check Republic, Hungary, Ukraine, Portugal, Greece, Turkey, Luxenburg etc, etc. And the combination of all should bring it to 5 million mark. By the way, Spain may not offer a certification-database, for earlier years, but I assure that both Spain and Italy have been certifying since early '90s. I think it's time to stop this futile discussion. -- Harout72 ( talk) 15:52, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
We don't know whether the actual sales from those markets above is 3.3 million or 3 million and I don't like assuming. The fact and the matter is that IFPI has Backstreet's Back at 5 million units and that is all we should believe without questioning it. By the way, Italy is a bigger market than Spain, meaning at least 300,000 - 500,000 units could be expected from that market alone. And another 200,000 - 400,000 from Spain and the rest of the 5 million+ could be covered by markets like Hungary (100,000), Ukraine (100,000), Denmark (50,000), Portugal, Romania, Bulgaria, Greece, Turkey, etc. etc. As I mentioned earlier IFPI doesn't exaggerate the number of Platinums, also, I believe I have answered all you questions meticulously. Any further concerns you might have, please contact IFPI and ask your questions directly to them. Finally, we are to state certifications as they appear in the web sites of the music associations respectively.-- Harout72 ( talk) 23:45, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
See their contact information here.-- Harout72 ( talk) 03:21, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
There are two different Canadian charts that the Backsteet Boys have chart positions on. One is the Billboard Canadian Singles Chart, and the other is the RPM Canadian Singles Chart. The RPM chart was the equivalent of the Billboard Hot 100 in the U.S. Their chart positions in that magazine have legitimate sources. Because they are both equal charts, I added the peak positions of the songs that appear on that chart. Some songs that don't appear on the 'Billboard C.S.C. have charted on the RPM chart, so I feel they should be included.
Can you help me understand why is it not notable and where is the discussion? I can't find it here. Krystaleen ( talk) 15:36, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
It could be mentioned in the main article, but I think it's better to just leave it out of the discography. KingdomHearts25 ( talk) 17:00, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
I put For The Fans in the Home video section because I'm pretty sure it belongs there. Even though it was distributed by Burger King it is still released through their label Zomba and thus a notable release. I'm actually also contemplating making a new section called "Live albums" for the audio CD portion of For the Fans and A Night Out with the Backstreet Boys. What do you think?--Krystaleen 05:29, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
Is there really no data about this besides the US 98k one? In Japan it's gone platinum so can we add the number? How many copies is platinum in Japan?
Edit: found some numbers on the album's article This Is Us (Backstreet Boys album)#Chart positions Can these be used? -- Krystaleen 12:11, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
The Japan figure is for shipments but I'm not sure about the Canada and the UK figures. They were probably just added by some random IP as I can't see any sources for them. KingdomHearts25 ( talk) 09:57, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
Legit question. I never paid attention to that before. I honestly think that Christmas single shouldn't even be put in the same table as the other singles.-- Krystaleen 03:38, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
I mean, they're not artist-driven releases and neither album is mentioned anywhere on their official website, nor do the group itself ever acknowledge that those releases even exist.-- Krystaleen 14:21, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
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I'm really sorry but I seem to have merged the other chartered songs list with "Let it be me" under featured artist. I have tried but can't seem to fix this . Please help in fixing this mistake. My apologies again. Anantnambiar ( talk) 15:46, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
According to current WP:DISCOGSTYLE, column amount of charts should be no more than 10. Can one of the chart column be removed? -- BrandNew Jim Zhang (talk) 13:33, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
So the Backstreet Boys are finally releasing their first-holiday album and had already started working on it since March. Brian had given the fans a sneak preview of the songs called "Together" and Nick has confirmed another holiday classic "Oh Holy Night". Should I add the Christmas album to the list until its released? 173.56.58.244 ( talk) 23:18, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
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The sales data on this page are positively incorrect and unresourced. Here are the ones found via the net:
http://www.mp3.com/news/stories/5070.html&ref_id=170877&ref_type_id=1 Worldwide: 87m Never Gone: 2m
http://music.barnesandnoble.com/search/product.asp?z=y&ean=12414177926 Backstreet Boys: 13m
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/showbiz/1468141.stm Back n Blue: 6m
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Backstreet-Boys-Has-Been-Certified-Platinum-6824.shtml Never Gone: 3m
http://arts.enotes.com/contemporary-musicians/backstreet-boys-biography Backstreet Boys: 11m
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1477802/bio Worldwide: 80m
http://www.livedaily.com/news/1862.html Millenium: 30m
http://www.fyiottawa.com/cgi-bin/niveau2.cgi?s=arts&p=42154.html&a=1 Back n Blue: 14m
http://www.theage.com.au/news/music/backstreets-back-alright/2005/09/05/1125772450951.html Worldwide: 73m
http://special.time.net.my/time4u/music/article.cfm?ID=159 Worldwide: 73m
http://mal_pal_69.tripod.com/id17.htm Millenium: 30m
http://backstreetboysblog.donyell.net/?m=200508 Never Gone: 3m 60.234.242.196 09:41, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
http://www.mediatraffic.de/albums-2005.htm - Never Gone #25 best selling album of 2005 - 2.2m 60.234.242.196 20:58, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
http://www.newmusicfriday.com/?nmf=20050513 - total sales of 75m, but this is before Greatest Hits and Never Gone. Therefore adding these, this comes to 84m. All this data is saying the same thing, total worldwide sales of approx. 85m. There is no (non clone) site that gives a higher figure. 60.234.242.196 09:53, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
Backstreet Boys (US) self titled Album. This was released ONLY in the USA, and was credited 14 x Platinum, so how (how!) can anyone claim it sold 25m. The album Backstreet Boys Back was released internationally excluding the USA, and only went 2 x platinum in the UK, so how (how!) can anyone claim it also sold 25m. All sites I have visited show one sales figure combining the totals (14m and looks like 11m internationally) to equate to 25m. So, either these can be counted together or separately, but NOT 25m each. 60.234.242.196 09:53, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
http://www.bsb-brasil.com/site/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=21&Itemid=39 is a clone of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Backstreet_Boys_awards You can check the history to see that Kmnmo inflated the sales figures on this, then once this site updated from wikipedia, then referenced it. This CANNOT be used 60.234.242.196 10:04, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
http://www.lyricsystem.com/backstreet-boys/ is a clone of the Backstreet Boys main wikipedia page, but is very old. This has since been cleaned up and the fictional figures have been removed. This CANNOT be used 60.234.242.196 10:11, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
http://www.ukmix.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=901528#901528 is a forum where User Kmnmo used an existing forum page, increased the sales figures for BSB then referenced it back into wikipedia. Here is the correct forum: http://www.ukmix.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=33707 . 60.234.242.196 21:20, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
http://www.popdirt.com/modules.php?name=News&file=com&sid=46037 is a forum, and zero referencing to where data came from. And if anyone bothers to actually read the comments are even research any of the figures, they are not even close to real sales. Anyone can put any figures they want on a forum, then we are expected to believe them? Wikipedia is about sourcing reliable, verifiable data. This is NOT such a case. This link cannot be used. 60.234.242.196 21:19, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
This is a dispute about consistant editing of this page with unsourceds sales figures
146.171.254.66 20:55, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
You have noted that the 30 million figure is from 1999, and are making an assumption that as it is now 2007, they must have sold another 10 million, matching the reference you found. But this is an assumption, and these are not allowed on wikipedia. I have already mentioned that the link you have found which states 40 million is also non credible, when compared to all others. I will also attempt to show you that their sales have not been good over the past 6 years, and hope you will learn from this and stop re-editing on your beliefs. Millennium and BSB was a major hit in the USA, and it counted for 40% of global sales, so let us use the US market as an example: In December 1999 Millennium had sold 9.4 million [3]. By end of 2000, this was 11.7m [4]. By end of 2001, this was 12.0 million [5], and they were awarded 13 x Platinum even though they sold only 12 million. By end of 2003 it was 12.06 million [6]. By the end of 2006 it was 12.1 million [7]. Therefore in their biggest market they have sold only 0.4 million in the past 6 years. In the past 5 years after their last creditation in 2001 they have sold only 0.1 million. I am hoping that you can now see that the data makes it totally impossible for another 10 million to be sold, thus 30m is the best figure to use, and it is referenced so often by all sources. 60.234.242.196 10:25, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
Part of the wikipedia policy on ensuring accurate dat, is for verifiable sources to be used, and that concensus is also used. Therefore if all sites say one fact, and another source goes against said concensus, then it is not considered a verifiable resource. Here is from the internet - BBC News [9] 20 million worldwide (21 January 2000), AJ News [10] 30 million, Geocities [11] 30 million, allpop.com (Toronto Sun) [12] 30 million, Interlink Media [13] 40 million, Entertainment Wire [14] 28 million, Backstreet Net [15] 21 MILLION, Amazon.com [16] 20 million, BK [17] 22 million. The concensus is therefore that it has sold 20 - 30 million worldwide 60.234.242.196 23:50, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
THE 40 MILLION CLAIM IS CRAZYYY!!!!
-- 85.75.116.184 ( talk) 19:39, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
References
Once again, the data is incorrect. You have referenced 3 sites that are quoting the same source, and as said before, these are forums where the data is disputed. Therefore before changing again, please actually reseach. As I have shown, 30 million is a credible figure for Millennium. Although some say this figure is also inflated. So, let us look at sales figures compared to Millenium. In the USA - the biggest market, Black & Blue sold only 60% of the sales for Millennium [18]. In the 2nd biggest market of the UK, Black & Blue sold only 100,000 copies [19]. This is 30% of what Millenium achieved [20]. Look at Germany, another stronghold for BSB, Millenium sold 200,000 under Roughtrade label, and 300,000 under Zomba label [21], whereas Black and Blue sold 200,000 only [22] = 40%. Another one - Australia. Millennium sold 210,000 whereas Black and Blue sold 70,000 [23]. Again, 30%. You can see that sales for Black & Blue would be closer to 50% of Millennium NOT 80% as your figure of 24 million suggests. I have therefore reverted it. 60.234.242.196 10:50, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
I refer you to the 2001 IFPI Recording Association for 2001 [24]. On page 5 it states that Black & Blue was the 10th biggest chart topping album of the year. If you research the sales for an album that was similar i.e. Madonna's - Music. This sold 13m worldwide (refer links to this on the Madonna Discography discussion page), Red Hot Chili Peppers - Californication has sold 15m to date. [25], Eminem's The Marshall Mathers LP, which did far better than Black and Blue, sold 19m [26] to date. This once again is showing that Black and Blue sales 'are likely' to be in the same vicinity, and NOT 24m. 60.234.242.196 22:20, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
-- Mysterious Spy 14:53, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Refer Best-selling albums in the United States since Nielsen SoundScan tracking began. Millennium (Backstreet Boys album) has sold 0.12 million in past 5 years in BSB's biggest market. Backstreet Boys (US album) has sold 0.8 million in the same period. So you are wanting everyone to believe that their average selling album has sold an additional 9 million in the same period , and without supply evidence. 60.234.242.196 01:31, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
the following was referenced as a source: *Worldwide Sales: 13 million+ [1] This cannot be used for the following reasons. Firstly, it is a discussion group, not a verifiable source. Secondly, even if you read the discussions, you find that the person who made the claim did so by reading it on answers.com, which is a clone of wikipedia, and is also not allowed. Therefore reversing this. 60.234.242.196 21:20, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
These sales are completely false.
think about it how can their greatest hits (which have gone pletinum in us and uk) have sold 10 million while their "never gone" album which has gone exactly the same in the charts (platinum- gold in the us, uk respectively) has sold less than 3 million their greatest hits sales are way less than 5 million ... anyway
-- Mysterious Spy 20:04, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
STOP INFLATING THE SALES OVER AND OVER AGAIN!! CANT U READ!!??
-- Mysterious Spy ( talk) 16:25, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
thx and i hope that this issue is solved already!!
-- Mysterious Spy ( talk) 19:53, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
ps. 9dont play with my nerves i too have some limits...)
-- Mysterious Spy ( talk) 20:46, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
Sales of 200 million. Finding a reference regardless of source does not make it a verified source. There is concensus in the music industry that BSB have sold 100 million, and this is reflected in the album sales showing. dailymirror source. This is from a valid, reputable source, but does not match all other known references. It (opinion only) is the same data that used to be on this discography page prior to it being referenced and researched. Eight88 ( talk) 20:21, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
it was said in the interviews and if any one of you have bought for the fans dvd its subjected in the video
The Backstreet's Back article itself states that. In addition, Backstreet's Back is estimated to have sold 28 million copies according to the list of best-selling albums worldwide. It would have been impossible for that album to have sold so much as sources suggest its sales are only around 11-12 million. In addition, the german certifications don't make sense. Backstreet's Back has directly gone platinum without even getting gold status. The debut was already certified platinum (or 2x platinum) so it makes sense that Backstreet's Back's certifications were continued from platinum onward,ie, 2x Platinum-Platinum giving the actual sales 203.101.45.224 ( talk) 18:31, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
All I can tell you is that music industry-associations in each market operate differently, and we really don't need to know every minor detail of their operations. Minor anomalies such as posting incorrect release-dates as AMPROFON has here (which seems to be corrected later at the highest award status, January 5, 1998) is not to be our main focus, what is important to us is the final/highest certification-awards for an album in question. As for BPI posting the Silver-award before the release-date, is not at all confusing as BPI does certify records in UK based on shipments, and at least 60,000 units of Backstreet Boys seems to have been ordered before the release-date which is why the date of the Silver-award by BPI is as appears. Again, you really should not micro-analyze the details of their operations including ARIA. We only need to look at the highest certification-award for albums, and that should satisfy what we try to achieve here at wikipedia. -- Harout72 ( talk) 05:07, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
It's more correct to say that the highest certification is what should matter. That said, for Backstreet's Back, we only need to look at what the highest posted certification by AMPROFON (Mexico) is, Platinum and Gold = 350,000, and it's very clear, and it should not be confusing, and no it's not two different albums. As for Bundesverband Musikindustrie's (Germany's) certifications, I believe it was you with whom I discussed the certifications for Backstreet Boys, one Platinum by BMG München, and one by Rough Trade. In my opinion, one of the given Platinums for Backstreet Boys is for the International version and the other for U.S. version, the latter of which was also, I assume, released there later, because Music Associations normally do not treat/certify the same title separately when it later gets re-released by another label. They sometimes certify it separately when it's a re-issue released by another label decades later, but it's not normally done when the release-dates of the same title are only months apart. Overall; however, in Europe, Backstreet's Back has sold 5 million+ units, and Backstreet Boys (the international version) has sold 3 million+ units.-- Harout72 ( talk) 15:32, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
What makes you 100% sure of the US version not having been released in Germany? Backstreet Boys' US certified sales only is: Albums= 37,000,000, Singles= 3,100,000, Videos= 1,400,000. Their Canadian certified sales is: Albums=3,150,000, Videos=340,000. I am not sure where you've seen the 4.2 million in Canadian sales, but it looks like it's for album-sales only. Backstreet Boys' certified sales from the markets which offer certification-databases is well over 65,000,000.-- Harout72 ( talk) 19:52, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
Your statement --->Is it combination of album and video sales because they have certifications of only 31.5 m, I was under the impression that you thought Backstreet Boys' entire certified sales is 31.5 million; therefore, I pointed out that the US certified sales only is way above that. No offense but I think you might want to re-check what you type before hitting the Save button. Because you also did mistype the Canadian sales above, 4.2 million. By the way, the 4,081,000 is for all units that Backstreet Boys have sold since Neilsen Soundscan was launched, Singles, Albums etc.-- Harout72 ( talk) 04:25, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
I don't think you really understand how the certification-schemes are operated. One thing I can assure you of is that IFPI Europe or any other associations do not inflate certifications. And because some markets do not offer certification-databases, doesn't mean they do not certify, for instance Italy, Spain, the certification-award-levels of both were Platinum=100,000, Gold= 50,000 before the music piracy began, and there are many other markets including the Czech Republic, Hungary, Russia, Ukraine, and many others, the combination of the sales of all those would bring the actual sales of Backstreet's Back to 5 million+ mark for the entire Europe. Also keep in mind that IFPI Europe doesn't certify albums based on what the certification-status for each album represents in each market, IFPI Europe certifies albums based on sales submitted by each European market. Consequently, if an album released in Germany in 1997, which has sold 1,240,000, and in Bundesverband Musikindutrie's database, it shows as 2x Platinum for sales of 1,000,000, we won't see the remainder units before it reaches the next certification level. The same goes for all other markets. Besides that, the record companies in each market respectively, may not have paid the necessary fee for the associations to post the next platinum-award. That said, the actual sales in Germany could be 1,500,000 but Bundesverband Musikindustrie will not post the 3rd Platinum for Backstreet's Back until it receives the fee from the record company. Therefore, IFPI (Europe)'s 5x Platinum may seem a lot more than it should be. I think we've covered in this discussion everything that needed to be covered.-- Harout72 ( talk) 15:46, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
Hungary's certification-award-levels before December 1997 were Platinum=100,000, Gold=50,000, see it here, Ukraine's award-levels for foreign artists also were Platinum=100,000, Gold=50,000. And this is what the European available markets' certified sales are for Backstreet's Back:
And based on the certified sales of only those markets above, we have 2,499,334, which easily could be 3,360,000 in actual sales just for those markets above. Bear in mind that we are missing sales of dozens of European markets, including Italy, Spain, Denmark, the Check Republic, Hungary, Ukraine, Portugal, Greece, Turkey, Luxenburg etc, etc. And the combination of all should bring it to 5 million mark. By the way, Spain may not offer a certification-database, for earlier years, but I assure that both Spain and Italy have been certifying since early '90s. I think it's time to stop this futile discussion. -- Harout72 ( talk) 15:52, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
We don't know whether the actual sales from those markets above is 3.3 million or 3 million and I don't like assuming. The fact and the matter is that IFPI has Backstreet's Back at 5 million units and that is all we should believe without questioning it. By the way, Italy is a bigger market than Spain, meaning at least 300,000 - 500,000 units could be expected from that market alone. And another 200,000 - 400,000 from Spain and the rest of the 5 million+ could be covered by markets like Hungary (100,000), Ukraine (100,000), Denmark (50,000), Portugal, Romania, Bulgaria, Greece, Turkey, etc. etc. As I mentioned earlier IFPI doesn't exaggerate the number of Platinums, also, I believe I have answered all you questions meticulously. Any further concerns you might have, please contact IFPI and ask your questions directly to them. Finally, we are to state certifications as they appear in the web sites of the music associations respectively.-- Harout72 ( talk) 23:45, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
See their contact information here.-- Harout72 ( talk) 03:21, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
There are two different Canadian charts that the Backsteet Boys have chart positions on. One is the Billboard Canadian Singles Chart, and the other is the RPM Canadian Singles Chart. The RPM chart was the equivalent of the Billboard Hot 100 in the U.S. Their chart positions in that magazine have legitimate sources. Because they are both equal charts, I added the peak positions of the songs that appear on that chart. Some songs that don't appear on the 'Billboard C.S.C. have charted on the RPM chart, so I feel they should be included.
Can you help me understand why is it not notable and where is the discussion? I can't find it here. Krystaleen ( talk) 15:36, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
It could be mentioned in the main article, but I think it's better to just leave it out of the discography. KingdomHearts25 ( talk) 17:00, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
I put For The Fans in the Home video section because I'm pretty sure it belongs there. Even though it was distributed by Burger King it is still released through their label Zomba and thus a notable release. I'm actually also contemplating making a new section called "Live albums" for the audio CD portion of For the Fans and A Night Out with the Backstreet Boys. What do you think?--Krystaleen 05:29, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
Is there really no data about this besides the US 98k one? In Japan it's gone platinum so can we add the number? How many copies is platinum in Japan?
Edit: found some numbers on the album's article This Is Us (Backstreet Boys album)#Chart positions Can these be used? -- Krystaleen 12:11, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
The Japan figure is for shipments but I'm not sure about the Canada and the UK figures. They were probably just added by some random IP as I can't see any sources for them. KingdomHearts25 ( talk) 09:57, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
Legit question. I never paid attention to that before. I honestly think that Christmas single shouldn't even be put in the same table as the other singles.-- Krystaleen 03:38, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
I mean, they're not artist-driven releases and neither album is mentioned anywhere on their official website, nor do the group itself ever acknowledge that those releases even exist.-- Krystaleen 14:21, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
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I'm really sorry but I seem to have merged the other chartered songs list with "Let it be me" under featured artist. I have tried but can't seem to fix this . Please help in fixing this mistake. My apologies again. Anantnambiar ( talk) 15:46, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
According to current WP:DISCOGSTYLE, column amount of charts should be no more than 10. Can one of the chart column be removed? -- BrandNew Jim Zhang (talk) 13:33, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
So the Backstreet Boys are finally releasing their first-holiday album and had already started working on it since March. Brian had given the fans a sneak preview of the songs called "Together" and Nick has confirmed another holiday classic "Oh Holy Night". Should I add the Christmas album to the list until its released? 173.56.58.244 ( talk) 23:18, 23 July 2021 (UTC)