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Baccano in Italian means NOISE and not commotion! A translation for commotion may be CASINO, but baccano is way off something not related to noise or cacophony.
It's clear that the Japanese author has simply taken a cool sounding foreign word and somewhat got a wrong translation, that happened many times especially with English, French and German words. The problem is that the line "Baccano is Italian for commotion" is wrong.
Better! 84.223.67.82 00:20, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Given the setting, the English translation they intended may have been "racket."
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Trying to beef this up with summaries. Looks terrible. I spent about an hour trying to figure out how to make a table like the episode lists, with the title and ISBN and maybe publication date on top, and a summary below, but the table tutorial just gave me a headache. Doceirias 22:17, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
Apparently, if you spend 1,500 yen, free delivery, but i doubt if that includes outside japan Thanks anyways. ifsey ( talk) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.43.76.4 ( talk) 23:22, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
Why Shounen? It's not really Shounen-like... 62.47.191.120 23:57, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
I would like to add, while limiting the specificity of the books to "Male" is fine, the anime is obviously Seinen. It aired after midnight, and has extremely graphic violence. Zhir ( talk) 09:12, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Before anyone deletes it citing copyright, I should point out that ANN stole the Overview plot summary from Wikipedia, not the other way around. Doceirias 18:11, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
ANN - OH! I hoped they cited themselves as having taken content from Wiki >_< 24.19.25.118 08:05, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
I don't think the person did, but the guy who wrote the original bit is an ANN member, and didn't seem overly upset. Zhir ( talk) 09:14, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Ummm... So what is stupid commotion??? I still don't understand what the premise of the story is :/ Something about Alchemists killing one another, going into hiding, coming out of hiding and then waa?? 24.19.25.118 08:05, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
When Jacuzzi kisses Nice, she says something that the fansubbers appear to have translated carelessly - implying that they have been a couple for a long time without kissing. Based on the novels, however, I don't think this is the case - I got the impression the had been friends, and this was the first indication she had that Jacuzzi felt otherwise. The Japanese in question can be interpreted either way. I would recommend not adding anything about their relationship to character list - even if I'm proven wrong by events in the last novels, that information is both a spoiler for later episodes of the anime and an extremely minor detail, covering about ten seconds of screen time. Doceirias 05:24, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
Reveals way too much. If you like the story so much, learn moonspeak and translate the light novels.
Seriously though, it spoils a lot. I have this article linked in a forum thread and people are complaining that you spoon-feed the entire story through what should be an objective list of characters. The only excessive additions are yours. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.74.198.219 ( talk) 06:44, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
Actually I think its spoilers are fine. I was thinking of expanding the characters section to include as much info from the japanese wiki as I can decipher, but since the people here are so defensive I think I rather not. Well, to me Wikipedia is where I come to find spoilers. Its up to the reader what he or she reads. Iron2000 13:55, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
From the paragraph on episode 13:
"They have a thing going on." & "and Isaac gives another cringe-inciting explanation."
Isn't it a bit too informal? - Kraker2k ( talk) 18:17, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
"They leave and dream about their wealthy future, but are hit by a car, which is being driven by Ennis, who chauffeurs Szilard to the secret society of old geezers." - Episode 4
...I think these episode descriptions need to be closely examined. 218.186.9.2 ( talk) 02:36, 11 March 2008 (UTC) Kurin
i want to know the source for the 5/6 voice actors domn for Baccano! also, i just noticed Szilard is a friend of barney the purple dinosaur. silly alchemists —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ifsey ( talk • contribs) 22:33, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
i have included more informaton on several characters outside of the anime's timeline, specifically, the events of the Alice in jails novels and the Peter Pan in chains episode. May not be correct, so anyone who knows more about this, please do correct it. Have also added Ricard Russo and Christopher Shouldered into the minor characters section. Also, i have typed down the japanese name and pronunciation of each character, and have included surnames in some of the pre-existing character profiles. Please note that the C in the middle of Elmer C. Albatross' name is in fact written as an english C in the light novels. Erm... this is ifsey, btw, as i seem to have forgotten to log in :s 81.132.34.1 ( talk) 16:58, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
Needs some reception ;P. Here's some stuff from a quick search (all on the anime so far):
~ Itzjustdrama ? C 21:52, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
Just realized that 13 episode descriptions from the official site have comments from the staff (in yellow). Noting that here. ~ Itzjustdrama ? C 20:27, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
I thought it might be good to note here, but I'm currently writing a draft for a future episode split. Anyone who feels like it can take a look at my subpage. I'm rewriting all of the episode summaries, so it might take a while because I'm attending school atm. Any comment is appreciated here. ~ Itzjustdrama ? C 00:21, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
While I'm talking about splits. I'm also drafting a character list split (Found here) and a Claire Stanfield split (Draft located here). I think there can also be a Ladd Russo split, if it's worthwhile to note. ~ Itzjustdrama ? C 22:05, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
If you ignore the fact that it's completely unreferenced and that some more major secondary characters have yet to be sectioned out, the draft is pretty ready to be sectioned out. I just have to put together the header image from the promotional playing cards, and I'll move it. If you don't want some of the characters included in the header image, the following characters are on the cards. I've marked the ones I feel should be excluded with an *. I kinda prefer images drawn by Enami. But we could always use one of the the two images off the main site [3] ~ Itzjustdrama ? C 22:07, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
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Baccano in Italian means NOISE and not commotion! A translation for commotion may be CASINO, but baccano is way off something not related to noise or cacophony.
It's clear that the Japanese author has simply taken a cool sounding foreign word and somewhat got a wrong translation, that happened many times especially with English, French and German words. The problem is that the line "Baccano is Italian for commotion" is wrong.
Better! 84.223.67.82 00:20, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Given the setting, the English translation they intended may have been "racket."
PlumBob78 (
talk) 01:41, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
Trying to beef this up with summaries. Looks terrible. I spent about an hour trying to figure out how to make a table like the episode lists, with the title and ISBN and maybe publication date on top, and a summary below, but the table tutorial just gave me a headache. Doceirias 22:17, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
Apparently, if you spend 1,500 yen, free delivery, but i doubt if that includes outside japan Thanks anyways. ifsey ( talk) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.43.76.4 ( talk) 23:22, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
Why Shounen? It's not really Shounen-like... 62.47.191.120 23:57, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
I would like to add, while limiting the specificity of the books to "Male" is fine, the anime is obviously Seinen. It aired after midnight, and has extremely graphic violence. Zhir ( talk) 09:12, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Before anyone deletes it citing copyright, I should point out that ANN stole the Overview plot summary from Wikipedia, not the other way around. Doceirias 18:11, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
ANN - OH! I hoped they cited themselves as having taken content from Wiki >_< 24.19.25.118 08:05, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
I don't think the person did, but the guy who wrote the original bit is an ANN member, and didn't seem overly upset. Zhir ( talk) 09:14, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Ummm... So what is stupid commotion??? I still don't understand what the premise of the story is :/ Something about Alchemists killing one another, going into hiding, coming out of hiding and then waa?? 24.19.25.118 08:05, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
When Jacuzzi kisses Nice, she says something that the fansubbers appear to have translated carelessly - implying that they have been a couple for a long time without kissing. Based on the novels, however, I don't think this is the case - I got the impression the had been friends, and this was the first indication she had that Jacuzzi felt otherwise. The Japanese in question can be interpreted either way. I would recommend not adding anything about their relationship to character list - even if I'm proven wrong by events in the last novels, that information is both a spoiler for later episodes of the anime and an extremely minor detail, covering about ten seconds of screen time. Doceirias 05:24, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
Reveals way too much. If you like the story so much, learn moonspeak and translate the light novels.
Seriously though, it spoils a lot. I have this article linked in a forum thread and people are complaining that you spoon-feed the entire story through what should be an objective list of characters. The only excessive additions are yours. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.74.198.219 ( talk) 06:44, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
Actually I think its spoilers are fine. I was thinking of expanding the characters section to include as much info from the japanese wiki as I can decipher, but since the people here are so defensive I think I rather not. Well, to me Wikipedia is where I come to find spoilers. Its up to the reader what he or she reads. Iron2000 13:55, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
From the paragraph on episode 13:
"They have a thing going on." & "and Isaac gives another cringe-inciting explanation."
Isn't it a bit too informal? - Kraker2k ( talk) 18:17, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
"They leave and dream about their wealthy future, but are hit by a car, which is being driven by Ennis, who chauffeurs Szilard to the secret society of old geezers." - Episode 4
...I think these episode descriptions need to be closely examined. 218.186.9.2 ( talk) 02:36, 11 March 2008 (UTC) Kurin
i want to know the source for the 5/6 voice actors domn for Baccano! also, i just noticed Szilard is a friend of barney the purple dinosaur. silly alchemists —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ifsey ( talk • contribs) 22:33, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
i have included more informaton on several characters outside of the anime's timeline, specifically, the events of the Alice in jails novels and the Peter Pan in chains episode. May not be correct, so anyone who knows more about this, please do correct it. Have also added Ricard Russo and Christopher Shouldered into the minor characters section. Also, i have typed down the japanese name and pronunciation of each character, and have included surnames in some of the pre-existing character profiles. Please note that the C in the middle of Elmer C. Albatross' name is in fact written as an english C in the light novels. Erm... this is ifsey, btw, as i seem to have forgotten to log in :s 81.132.34.1 ( talk) 16:58, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
Needs some reception ;P. Here's some stuff from a quick search (all on the anime so far):
~ Itzjustdrama ? C 21:52, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
Just realized that 13 episode descriptions from the official site have comments from the staff (in yellow). Noting that here. ~ Itzjustdrama ? C 20:27, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
I thought it might be good to note here, but I'm currently writing a draft for a future episode split. Anyone who feels like it can take a look at my subpage. I'm rewriting all of the episode summaries, so it might take a while because I'm attending school atm. Any comment is appreciated here. ~ Itzjustdrama ? C 00:21, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
While I'm talking about splits. I'm also drafting a character list split (Found here) and a Claire Stanfield split (Draft located here). I think there can also be a Ladd Russo split, if it's worthwhile to note. ~ Itzjustdrama ? C 22:05, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
If you ignore the fact that it's completely unreferenced and that some more major secondary characters have yet to be sectioned out, the draft is pretty ready to be sectioned out. I just have to put together the header image from the promotional playing cards, and I'll move it. If you don't want some of the characters included in the header image, the following characters are on the cards. I've marked the ones I feel should be excluded with an *. I kinda prefer images drawn by Enami. But we could always use one of the the two images off the main site [3] ~ Itzjustdrama ? C 22:07, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
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The spelling and grammar of the article are good. The lead section however seems to be overly-long, with some elements (such as the first book of the series being released, or the dubbing into English by a certain broadcaster) being better suited to a "history" section.
The line "the series has been well received by readers" could count as an instance of WP:WEASEL. This is because there are no sources cited within the article to substantiate the claim that the series has been well received.
There are no lists incorporated, so the list incorporation rules do not apply.
Notwithstanding the possible issues over weasel words and the length of the lead section, I believe this Criterion has been met. In this criterion, the article has passed.
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Notwithstanding the lack of source attribution in the lead section, on the whole, the Article has good source-attribution. However, it is disappointing that for a work of this size, bearing in mind the apparent size and popularity of the series, there are only fifty sources - an entire section of the article (the plot section) has no source attribution whatsoever. Second, the first source appears at the very end of the first paragraph of the third section. As a rule of thumb, every assertion must have its own source. This has not been followed.
Because of the lack of sources, the locations without sources could be attacked as examples of Original Research, in contravention of WP:NOR, as set out in the manual of style.
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Notwithstanding the unnecessary length of the plot section, I believe that this article has - in general - fulfilled the requirements set out above. This article passes this criterion.
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