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There is a need for a section that specifically refers to Baal worship among Israelites and Judahites, whether in opposition to, or alongside the cult of YHWY. What is the best way of introducing this material. The article should not have Baal under the heading of Judaism. Judaism is OR, and does not refer to anything before the Babylonian exile. Johnmcintyre1959 ( talk) 07:25, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
It has been suggested (on my talk page, rather than here, I do not know why) that
My italics.
This reveals a fundamental misunderstanding about the scope pf this article. I am not claiming that this article should only be about the multilple references to a single God known as Baal, or to multiple local Baals. However lets look at the history, as invited.
Here is the present lede.
Here it is with my change.
Followed by the above.
Now this version of the lede is from 21 May 2012 !!!!!
Note that it also contains the sub section Baʿal as a divine title in Israel and Judah
This article has for a long time been about Baal as a God or Gods. The use of the article to discuss the meaning of the word lord, master, etc is not the primary purpose of the article.
I am not changing the article, I am restoring it to what has always been its primary purpose. Johnmcintyre1959 ( talk) 17:16, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
Encyclopaedia Judaica vol EJ vol III pg 12 article Baal worship Nevertheless, despite the biblical tendency to avoid the use of the word as a proper name, it is now quite clear that by pre-Israelite times the term had become the usual name of the weather-god of Syria-Palestine. is an RS for the use of the term in reference to God/Gods. Also https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=n7i7k06rq7IC&pg=PA55&dq=baal&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CCMQ6AEwAThQahUKEwi79rWowNbHAhX0K9sKHfgpDR4#v=onepage&q=baal&f=false The Dictionary of Demons Baal the Cannanite name for God or Lord. Also Zondervan Illustrated Bible Dictionary By J. D. Douglas, Merrill C. Tenney the word Baal in the OT (sic) most often refers to a Semitic deity. in early years used for the God of Israel - Yahweh. Johnmcintyre1959 ( talk) 19:03, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
Baʿal (Biblical Hebrew בעל, pronounced [ˈbaʕal], usually spelled Baal in English) is a Northwest Semitic title and honorific meaning "master" or "lord"[1] that is used for various gods who were patrons of cities in the Levant and Asia Minor, cognate to Akkadian Bēlu. A Baalist or Baalite means a worshipper of Baal. "Baʿal" can refer to any god and even to human officials; in some texts it is used as a substitute for Hadad, a god of the rain, thunder, fertility and agriculture, and the lord of Heaven. Since only priests were allowed to utter his divine name, Hadad, Ba‛al was commonly used. Nevertheless, few if any Biblical uses of "Baʿal" refer to Hadad, the lord over the assembly of gods on the holy mount of Heaven, but rather refer to any number of local spirit-deities worshipped as cult images, each called baʿal and regarded in the Hebrew Bible in that context as a "false god".
How you can claim that it is a scope change to say that Baal is a God is beyond me. The article has always said that Baal is both a title meaning lord etc, and a God/Gods. Will you accept that something close to this text above be restored to the lede, or shall we take it to dispute? Johnmcintyre1959 ( talk) 21:34, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
"Do not caste your pearls amongst swine" This means dont teach them about how to make your temple incense or utter your gods name amongst those who are foreign. For instance Baal zibbul is probably Herucles of the peleset and theyre probably mocking his feats by saying hes the lord or curing plagues of maggots here:
5. Clean the Augean stables in a single day
the Augean stables were the home of 3,000 cattle with poisoned faeces which Augeas had been given by his father Helios. Heracles was given the near impossible task of cleaning the stables of the diseased faeces. He accomplished it by digging ditches on both sides of the stables, moving them into the ditches, and then diverting the rivers Alpheios and Peneios to wash the ditches clean. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:A601:A0C6:1200:A0CA:F01A:DFA8:7963 ( talk) 12:36, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
I cannot find an RS that backs up this claim; From its use among people, it came to be applied to gods. If no one can find one I propose to remove it. Johnmcintyre1959 ( talk) 21:36, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
This page: /info/en/?search=Bel_(mythology)
does not show up as a Wikipedia link in the "See Also" section for "Bel and Temple of Bel."
The words "Temple of Bel" in that section do link properly, but the first word "Bel" is obviously supposed to show up and link to the Wikipedia entry "Bel (mythology)." But it doesn't and I can't figure out why not.
Can somebody fix this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.225.181.137 ( talk) 05:28, 25 December 2018 (UTC)
In it’s latest drop advertisement balenciaga on purpose spelled baalenciaga on a piece of merch which in latin translates into baal is king. 41.200.129.199 ( talk) 00:13, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
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There is a need for a section that specifically refers to Baal worship among Israelites and Judahites, whether in opposition to, or alongside the cult of YHWY. What is the best way of introducing this material. The article should not have Baal under the heading of Judaism. Judaism is OR, and does not refer to anything before the Babylonian exile. Johnmcintyre1959 ( talk) 07:25, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
It has been suggested (on my talk page, rather than here, I do not know why) that
My italics.
This reveals a fundamental misunderstanding about the scope pf this article. I am not claiming that this article should only be about the multilple references to a single God known as Baal, or to multiple local Baals. However lets look at the history, as invited.
Here is the present lede.
Here it is with my change.
Followed by the above.
Now this version of the lede is from 21 May 2012 !!!!!
Note that it also contains the sub section Baʿal as a divine title in Israel and Judah
This article has for a long time been about Baal as a God or Gods. The use of the article to discuss the meaning of the word lord, master, etc is not the primary purpose of the article.
I am not changing the article, I am restoring it to what has always been its primary purpose. Johnmcintyre1959 ( talk) 17:16, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
Encyclopaedia Judaica vol EJ vol III pg 12 article Baal worship Nevertheless, despite the biblical tendency to avoid the use of the word as a proper name, it is now quite clear that by pre-Israelite times the term had become the usual name of the weather-god of Syria-Palestine. is an RS for the use of the term in reference to God/Gods. Also https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=n7i7k06rq7IC&pg=PA55&dq=baal&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CCMQ6AEwAThQahUKEwi79rWowNbHAhX0K9sKHfgpDR4#v=onepage&q=baal&f=false The Dictionary of Demons Baal the Cannanite name for God or Lord. Also Zondervan Illustrated Bible Dictionary By J. D. Douglas, Merrill C. Tenney the word Baal in the OT (sic) most often refers to a Semitic deity. in early years used for the God of Israel - Yahweh. Johnmcintyre1959 ( talk) 19:03, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
Baʿal (Biblical Hebrew בעל, pronounced [ˈbaʕal], usually spelled Baal in English) is a Northwest Semitic title and honorific meaning "master" or "lord"[1] that is used for various gods who were patrons of cities in the Levant and Asia Minor, cognate to Akkadian Bēlu. A Baalist or Baalite means a worshipper of Baal. "Baʿal" can refer to any god and even to human officials; in some texts it is used as a substitute for Hadad, a god of the rain, thunder, fertility and agriculture, and the lord of Heaven. Since only priests were allowed to utter his divine name, Hadad, Ba‛al was commonly used. Nevertheless, few if any Biblical uses of "Baʿal" refer to Hadad, the lord over the assembly of gods on the holy mount of Heaven, but rather refer to any number of local spirit-deities worshipped as cult images, each called baʿal and regarded in the Hebrew Bible in that context as a "false god".
How you can claim that it is a scope change to say that Baal is a God is beyond me. The article has always said that Baal is both a title meaning lord etc, and a God/Gods. Will you accept that something close to this text above be restored to the lede, or shall we take it to dispute? Johnmcintyre1959 ( talk) 21:34, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
"Do not caste your pearls amongst swine" This means dont teach them about how to make your temple incense or utter your gods name amongst those who are foreign. For instance Baal zibbul is probably Herucles of the peleset and theyre probably mocking his feats by saying hes the lord or curing plagues of maggots here:
5. Clean the Augean stables in a single day
the Augean stables were the home of 3,000 cattle with poisoned faeces which Augeas had been given by his father Helios. Heracles was given the near impossible task of cleaning the stables of the diseased faeces. He accomplished it by digging ditches on both sides of the stables, moving them into the ditches, and then diverting the rivers Alpheios and Peneios to wash the ditches clean. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:A601:A0C6:1200:A0CA:F01A:DFA8:7963 ( talk) 12:36, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
I cannot find an RS that backs up this claim; From its use among people, it came to be applied to gods. If no one can find one I propose to remove it. Johnmcintyre1959 ( talk) 21:36, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
This page: /info/en/?search=Bel_(mythology)
does not show up as a Wikipedia link in the "See Also" section for "Bel and Temple of Bel."
The words "Temple of Bel" in that section do link properly, but the first word "Bel" is obviously supposed to show up and link to the Wikipedia entry "Bel (mythology)." But it doesn't and I can't figure out why not.
Can somebody fix this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.225.181.137 ( talk) 05:28, 25 December 2018 (UTC)
In it’s latest drop advertisement balenciaga on purpose spelled baalenciaga on a piece of merch which in latin translates into baal is king. 41.200.129.199 ( talk) 00:13, 3 December 2022 (UTC)