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For information on how this article was moved and moved back, please see Talk:BDC Aero Industrie before moving it again. - Ahunt ( talk) 23:55, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
For the aircraft this is the corrected information
Correction #1 The title BDC Aero Puma does not exist, BDC Aero Industrie Inc. is a company Puma is one of the product so the title should be Puma Aircraft References are on the Government of Canada
Correction #2 Under the title The Puma Aircraft is a Canadian aircraft, originally designed and named Pluto by the Italian designer Antonio Bortolanza in the mid-1980s designed according to the European standard under ultralight regulation to meet the max takeoff weight of 990lbs. In 2008 BDC Aero Industrie Inc. redesign the aircraft size, structure, and make a systematic production procedure with quality control system to fit the North American market requirements for Canada and USA.Although the airplane resemble the Italian made, the new PUMA, has a complete new structure, components, interior, and it is engineered to have a max gross weight of 1320 lbs and 1420 lbs on floats. The Puma is equipped with Rotax 912 UL, 912ULS, 912iS, 914UL engines. The aircraft is only sold as factory build under three different categories: Light Sport Aircraft (U.S.A only) VFR day/night Experimental (U.S.A only) VFR day/night, IFR Limited Class (Canada and other countries) VFR day/night, IFR Advanced UltraLight (Canada) VFR day only At the moment BDC Aero Industrie do not offer home build amateur construction References are on the website, Transport Canada and widola
Correction#3 Design and development The Puma was originally called Pluto by Bortolanza when he first designed it in the mid-1980s as an Ultralight with 990lbs max takeoff weight. Later it was renamed as the Drakken (Swedish for "dragon"). In 2008 BDC Aero Industrie redesign the aircraft according to the LAMAC regulation to fit the Advanced Ultralight Regulation at 1230lbs max takeoff weight. In 2012 BDC Aero Industrie complete the first Limited Class Category with Transport Canada where the size, structure, production procedure, and quality control were implemented to meet the standards for a max takeoff weight of 1320lbs on wheels and 1420lbs on floats. Although the airplane resemble the Italian made, the new PUMA, it has a total new structure, components and interior, and it is engineer to have a max gross weight of 1320lbs and 1420lbs on floats, as well as new engines power and configuration. Today the Puma comes with Rotax 912 UL, 912ULS, 912iS, 914UL all of them mounted on a dyno focal engine mount and no longer bed engine mount. The aircraft is made with an aluminum wing and composite fuselage. Its 28 ft (8.5 m) span wing has an area of 124 sq ft (11.5 m2) and flaps.The Puma is approved by Transport Canada as an Advanced Ultralight and Limited Class, but, as of September 2015, does not appear on the Federal Aviation Administration light-sport aircraft list References are on the website, transport canada, FAA, and widola
Correction #4 Operational history In September 2015 there total 6 Pumas made, were five Pumas registered with Transport Canada, four Advanced Ultralight, one Limited Class, and one LSA all built by BDC between 2010 and 2013. There is one Puma LSA registered in the United States with the Federal Aviation Administration in 2013 References are on Transport Canada
Correction #5 Specifications (BDC Puma) should be change to Specification Puma Aircraft General characteristics Crew: one Capacity: one passenger Length: 20.8 ft (6.3 m) Wingspan: 28 ft 0 in (8.53 m) Wing area: 124 sq ft (11.5 m2) Airfoil: Modified NACA 4412 Empty weight: 662 lb (300 kg) Gross weight: 1,232 lb (559 kg) Fuel capacity: 24 U.S. gallons (91 L; 20 imp gal) Powerplant: 1 × Rotax 912UL four cylinder, liquid and air-cooled, four stroke aircraft engine, 80 hp (60 kW) Propellers: 2-bladed, 5 ft 9 in (1.76 m) diameter Performance Maximum speed: 138 mph; 222 km/h (120 kn) at sea level Cruising speed: 132 mph; 213 km/h (115 kn) Stall speed: 43 mph; 69 km/h (37 kn) @max gross weight and full flap Never exceed speed: 161 mph; 259 km/h (140 kn) Range: 575 mi; 926 km (500 nmi) Service ceiling: 12,000 ft (3,658 m) G limits: +4g/-2g Maximum glide ratio: 11.1 Rate of climb: 900 ft/min (4.6 m/s) Rate of sink: 350 ft/min (1.8 m/s) Wing loading: 9.9 lb/sq ft (48 kg/m2) Avionics Analog and digital
References are on the website
If you need a reference for all this just ask I will give you the right links I already did the research but I don't know how to put it online. I'm just reading this wikipedia article and it bother me when people put mis information on it
Let me know if you need anything else I will be glad to contribute. BAI73 ( talk) 01:08, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
There is no reference for this statement: he Puma's current manufacturer, BDC, states "many flying schools have adopted the PUMA as their training plane".[3] Is not on the website but if you want to know if any fligth school is using it here there is one in Canada: http://www.ecoleavitas.ca/fr BAI73 ( talk) 02:40, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
It is non sense to reference old website, this is the reason why we update info and you should do it too. The bottom line is that it is a trainer, and in Italy was used in many flight school but useless statement since the airplane is ot the same. Also you should not make any company statement because you are not my advertiser. Another error is in the Manufacture top right corner, the Manufacturer is BDC Aero industrie and not Bortolanza which is a designer that design the Pluto not the Puma and is no longer in business. Whatever he did was in Italy and not in Canada. The designer of the Puma which is a Canadian product is BDC Aero Industrie, we have internal designers that works on modification an updates and they are done in a teamwork like any other aircraft manufacturer. Thank you for the work done so far BAI73 ( talk) 15:40, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
MAnufacture and Designer is BDC Aero Industrie not Bortolanza. Bortolanza worked for Aeroplast up to year 2000 and Design the Pluto the Puma comes from the original design but was heavily modified structurally as you can see on my website picture the old puma is very different than the one new one, and if you want details I can make it to you in a list, that is the reason is called Puma otherwise it will be called Pluto. Correct please, people are confused. BAI73 ( talk) 18:40, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
In the variant you have to correct also, Aeroplast Pluto, Aeroplast Draken, Not Bortolanza, Bortlanza was the designer but airplane are made by Manufacturer not by designer. BAI73 ( talk) 19:00, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
Is own by BDC Aero Industrie but no longer active, I sent the correction today to Transport Canada will update you soon. Thank you BAI73 ( talk) 22:18, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
I'm uploading the picture of the Puma Limited and interior, also I received an email form Wikipedia that says the following:
"<Manufacturer> <Aircraft>" is the preferred naming convention for aircraft articles. We have < /info/en/?search=Douglas_DC-3> and < /info/en/?search=Boeing_747>, for instance.
You can read the naming guideline located at < /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(aircraft)>
Yours sincerely, Tim Boehde
I agree on this too it make more sense. Let me know about the pictures. Thank you BAI73 ( talk) 17:42, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
Manufacturer is BDC Aero Industrie not Bortolanza, please change. BAI73 ( talk) 17:50, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
The information is incorrect the mistake was done at the registration with Transport Canada, Bortolanza company never existed. The mistake is been taking care with Transport Canada soon it will be changed. All the Pumas in Canada are made by BDC Aero Industrie Inc. To resume Antonio Bortolanza created the Pluto in Italy under the company called Aeroplast, in Canada was redesigned and re-engineer by BDC Aero Indurtrie for the new market which is not ultralight. None of the part design of the Puma fit with the Pluto, as well as the material used. If you need more clarification let me know. Best regards BAI73 ( talk) 18:18, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
The Title on the Picture is Puma Limited is not Draken, not Pluto if you want to have a picture of the Draken and the Pluto let me know. Best regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by BAI73 ( talk • contribs) 18:20, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
Change the manufacturer name for the Puma BAI73 ( talk) 18:34, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
Let me corrected so you understand: Manufacturer: Aeroplast (Pluto and Drakken, 1980s-1999)
BDC Aero Industrie (Puma, 2007 to current)
Designer: (because we are in Puma Page not Pluto nor Draken) is BDC Aero Industrie Inc, Puma was not done by Bortolanza. Does it make sense to you? Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by BAI73 ( talk • contribs) 19:09, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
Also number built in Canada only is 6, in Italy I have to do a search and let you know, BAI73 ( talk) 19:23, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
The Bortolanza you see in TC is a mistake made by TC and it will be corrected soon, I'm the one giving information to TC. In Canada there are 6 made, nothing was done in Italy, Aeroplast close in 1999. BAI73 ( talk) 19:33, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
Correction to be done once again:
Role:Ultralight aircraft and Light-sport aircraft
National origin:Canada
Manufacturer:Aeroplast (Pluto and Drakken, 1980s-1999), BDC Aero Industrie (Puma, 2007 to present)
Designer: BDC Aero Industrie
(we are talking about Puma not pluto not Draken, or remove designer)
Status: In production (2015)
Number built:Six in Canada only
Unit cost:start from US$86,500 (2015)
Let me know
BAI73 (
talk)
19:43, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
I will change the reference, this is one of the reason why Wikipedia is not reliable, if the references are wrong the editing is wrong, but in this case you are talking to the person that make the references, I will fix it and make you happy. BAI73 ( talk) 20:27, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
Aeroplast closed in 1999 not 2005 BAI73 ( talk) 03:55, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
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For information on how this article was moved and moved back, please see Talk:BDC Aero Industrie before moving it again. - Ahunt ( talk) 23:55, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
For the aircraft this is the corrected information
Correction #1 The title BDC Aero Puma does not exist, BDC Aero Industrie Inc. is a company Puma is one of the product so the title should be Puma Aircraft References are on the Government of Canada
Correction #2 Under the title The Puma Aircraft is a Canadian aircraft, originally designed and named Pluto by the Italian designer Antonio Bortolanza in the mid-1980s designed according to the European standard under ultralight regulation to meet the max takeoff weight of 990lbs. In 2008 BDC Aero Industrie Inc. redesign the aircraft size, structure, and make a systematic production procedure with quality control system to fit the North American market requirements for Canada and USA.Although the airplane resemble the Italian made, the new PUMA, has a complete new structure, components, interior, and it is engineered to have a max gross weight of 1320 lbs and 1420 lbs on floats. The Puma is equipped with Rotax 912 UL, 912ULS, 912iS, 914UL engines. The aircraft is only sold as factory build under three different categories: Light Sport Aircraft (U.S.A only) VFR day/night Experimental (U.S.A only) VFR day/night, IFR Limited Class (Canada and other countries) VFR day/night, IFR Advanced UltraLight (Canada) VFR day only At the moment BDC Aero Industrie do not offer home build amateur construction References are on the website, Transport Canada and widola
Correction#3 Design and development The Puma was originally called Pluto by Bortolanza when he first designed it in the mid-1980s as an Ultralight with 990lbs max takeoff weight. Later it was renamed as the Drakken (Swedish for "dragon"). In 2008 BDC Aero Industrie redesign the aircraft according to the LAMAC regulation to fit the Advanced Ultralight Regulation at 1230lbs max takeoff weight. In 2012 BDC Aero Industrie complete the first Limited Class Category with Transport Canada where the size, structure, production procedure, and quality control were implemented to meet the standards for a max takeoff weight of 1320lbs on wheels and 1420lbs on floats. Although the airplane resemble the Italian made, the new PUMA, it has a total new structure, components and interior, and it is engineer to have a max gross weight of 1320lbs and 1420lbs on floats, as well as new engines power and configuration. Today the Puma comes with Rotax 912 UL, 912ULS, 912iS, 914UL all of them mounted on a dyno focal engine mount and no longer bed engine mount. The aircraft is made with an aluminum wing and composite fuselage. Its 28 ft (8.5 m) span wing has an area of 124 sq ft (11.5 m2) and flaps.The Puma is approved by Transport Canada as an Advanced Ultralight and Limited Class, but, as of September 2015, does not appear on the Federal Aviation Administration light-sport aircraft list References are on the website, transport canada, FAA, and widola
Correction #4 Operational history In September 2015 there total 6 Pumas made, were five Pumas registered with Transport Canada, four Advanced Ultralight, one Limited Class, and one LSA all built by BDC between 2010 and 2013. There is one Puma LSA registered in the United States with the Federal Aviation Administration in 2013 References are on Transport Canada
Correction #5 Specifications (BDC Puma) should be change to Specification Puma Aircraft General characteristics Crew: one Capacity: one passenger Length: 20.8 ft (6.3 m) Wingspan: 28 ft 0 in (8.53 m) Wing area: 124 sq ft (11.5 m2) Airfoil: Modified NACA 4412 Empty weight: 662 lb (300 kg) Gross weight: 1,232 lb (559 kg) Fuel capacity: 24 U.S. gallons (91 L; 20 imp gal) Powerplant: 1 × Rotax 912UL four cylinder, liquid and air-cooled, four stroke aircraft engine, 80 hp (60 kW) Propellers: 2-bladed, 5 ft 9 in (1.76 m) diameter Performance Maximum speed: 138 mph; 222 km/h (120 kn) at sea level Cruising speed: 132 mph; 213 km/h (115 kn) Stall speed: 43 mph; 69 km/h (37 kn) @max gross weight and full flap Never exceed speed: 161 mph; 259 km/h (140 kn) Range: 575 mi; 926 km (500 nmi) Service ceiling: 12,000 ft (3,658 m) G limits: +4g/-2g Maximum glide ratio: 11.1 Rate of climb: 900 ft/min (4.6 m/s) Rate of sink: 350 ft/min (1.8 m/s) Wing loading: 9.9 lb/sq ft (48 kg/m2) Avionics Analog and digital
References are on the website
If you need a reference for all this just ask I will give you the right links I already did the research but I don't know how to put it online. I'm just reading this wikipedia article and it bother me when people put mis information on it
Let me know if you need anything else I will be glad to contribute. BAI73 ( talk) 01:08, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
There is no reference for this statement: he Puma's current manufacturer, BDC, states "many flying schools have adopted the PUMA as their training plane".[3] Is not on the website but if you want to know if any fligth school is using it here there is one in Canada: http://www.ecoleavitas.ca/fr BAI73 ( talk) 02:40, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
It is non sense to reference old website, this is the reason why we update info and you should do it too. The bottom line is that it is a trainer, and in Italy was used in many flight school but useless statement since the airplane is ot the same. Also you should not make any company statement because you are not my advertiser. Another error is in the Manufacture top right corner, the Manufacturer is BDC Aero industrie and not Bortolanza which is a designer that design the Pluto not the Puma and is no longer in business. Whatever he did was in Italy and not in Canada. The designer of the Puma which is a Canadian product is BDC Aero Industrie, we have internal designers that works on modification an updates and they are done in a teamwork like any other aircraft manufacturer. Thank you for the work done so far BAI73 ( talk) 15:40, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
MAnufacture and Designer is BDC Aero Industrie not Bortolanza. Bortolanza worked for Aeroplast up to year 2000 and Design the Pluto the Puma comes from the original design but was heavily modified structurally as you can see on my website picture the old puma is very different than the one new one, and if you want details I can make it to you in a list, that is the reason is called Puma otherwise it will be called Pluto. Correct please, people are confused. BAI73 ( talk) 18:40, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
In the variant you have to correct also, Aeroplast Pluto, Aeroplast Draken, Not Bortolanza, Bortlanza was the designer but airplane are made by Manufacturer not by designer. BAI73 ( talk) 19:00, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
Is own by BDC Aero Industrie but no longer active, I sent the correction today to Transport Canada will update you soon. Thank you BAI73 ( talk) 22:18, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
I'm uploading the picture of the Puma Limited and interior, also I received an email form Wikipedia that says the following:
"<Manufacturer> <Aircraft>" is the preferred naming convention for aircraft articles. We have < /info/en/?search=Douglas_DC-3> and < /info/en/?search=Boeing_747>, for instance.
You can read the naming guideline located at < /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(aircraft)>
Yours sincerely, Tim Boehde
I agree on this too it make more sense. Let me know about the pictures. Thank you BAI73 ( talk) 17:42, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
Manufacturer is BDC Aero Industrie not Bortolanza, please change. BAI73 ( talk) 17:50, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
The information is incorrect the mistake was done at the registration with Transport Canada, Bortolanza company never existed. The mistake is been taking care with Transport Canada soon it will be changed. All the Pumas in Canada are made by BDC Aero Industrie Inc. To resume Antonio Bortolanza created the Pluto in Italy under the company called Aeroplast, in Canada was redesigned and re-engineer by BDC Aero Indurtrie for the new market which is not ultralight. None of the part design of the Puma fit with the Pluto, as well as the material used. If you need more clarification let me know. Best regards BAI73 ( talk) 18:18, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
The Title on the Picture is Puma Limited is not Draken, not Pluto if you want to have a picture of the Draken and the Pluto let me know. Best regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by BAI73 ( talk • contribs) 18:20, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
Change the manufacturer name for the Puma BAI73 ( talk) 18:34, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
Let me corrected so you understand: Manufacturer: Aeroplast (Pluto and Drakken, 1980s-1999)
BDC Aero Industrie (Puma, 2007 to current)
Designer: (because we are in Puma Page not Pluto nor Draken) is BDC Aero Industrie Inc, Puma was not done by Bortolanza. Does it make sense to you? Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by BAI73 ( talk • contribs) 19:09, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
Also number built in Canada only is 6, in Italy I have to do a search and let you know, BAI73 ( talk) 19:23, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
The Bortolanza you see in TC is a mistake made by TC and it will be corrected soon, I'm the one giving information to TC. In Canada there are 6 made, nothing was done in Italy, Aeroplast close in 1999. BAI73 ( talk) 19:33, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
Correction to be done once again:
Role:Ultralight aircraft and Light-sport aircraft
National origin:Canada
Manufacturer:Aeroplast (Pluto and Drakken, 1980s-1999), BDC Aero Industrie (Puma, 2007 to present)
Designer: BDC Aero Industrie
(we are talking about Puma not pluto not Draken, or remove designer)
Status: In production (2015)
Number built:Six in Canada only
Unit cost:start from US$86,500 (2015)
Let me know
BAI73 (
talk)
19:43, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
I will change the reference, this is one of the reason why Wikipedia is not reliable, if the references are wrong the editing is wrong, but in this case you are talking to the person that make the references, I will fix it and make you happy. BAI73 ( talk) 20:27, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
Aeroplast closed in 1999 not 2005 BAI73 ( talk) 03:55, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
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