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I took Carly Janiga out of the list of athletes trained by the Karolyis. I have never been able to find anything to verify this and it doesn't seem possible: Janiga was born in 1988 and would have only been eight when Karolyi stopped coaching. She would have been far too young to train with Bela and Marta. Mademoiselle Sabina 17:59, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
The article says: "He established a boarding school in Onesti..." Well, anybody who lived in those days in Romania can tell you that no individual established anything in Communist Romania in those days. (Maybe it is difficult for Westerners to believe it, but think of North Korea today. How many individuals can establish anything therenow ? It was the same in those days in Romania). The training center was established by the Romanian Gymnastics Federation, and he was hired as one of the coaches there. Eventually he became head coach. He didn't establish the center.Mycomp 02:12, 11 August 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mycomp ( talk • contribs)
I am concerned about Karolyi's "Later career" section as it is an incomplete portrayal.
Here is a yahoo sports article by AP sports writer Barry Wilner at http://sports.yahoo.com/olympics/beijing/gymnastics/news?slug=ap-gym-karolyi-ages&prov=ap&type=lgns
The article describes what has already been put into the wikipedia article, but then continues with what Bela thinks the solution should be:
"The solution, he said, is to not have any age limit. He believes if a gymnast is good enough to earn a spot at the Olympics or world championships, that athlete deserves to go. He said some juniors today are just as proficient as the age-eligble competitors. Nastia Liukin, for example, would certainly have made the squad for the Athens Games four years ago had she not been 14."
So, Bela strongly believes the Chinese are using younger girls than they say they are, but he also believes the age requirement should be abolished, as long as their gymnastics are at a proven level.
Can someone modify the article to improve this aspect? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.235.251.198 ( talk) 11:01, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
what was the justifications for taking out the controversy section(along with some of the criticism) and the semilock? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.104.246.170 ( talk) 02:20, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
also i am not sure the tone of the later careers section accurately reflects karolyi views. they tend to be selected from his less contraversial statments and are not directly quoted statments and may have been just added in the news report to make him seem more moderate
but over all i think the article is a lot better since the edits you guys made. much thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.104.246.170 ( talk) 03:37, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
I am an American Hungarian and proud of it. My Question how do you say your name. I have family with the name of Bela. It is pronounced Béla (bay la) with the "e" sounding like "a" not Bella. This is why there is an accent over the e. No disrespect Béla but when we hear it pronounced wrong we politely correct them. I have heard Béla Logosi was upset that people said it wrong. Now is your chance to tell America how to say your name correctly. We are corrected when we say José or Jésus wrong. Sallymae1 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sallymae1 ( talk • contribs) 06:47, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
There have been several edits back and forth claiming Károlyi's birth nation to be either in Hungary or in Romania. At the time of Károlyi's birth, Cluj-Napoca was a part of Hungary. The city, along with northern Transylvania, had been ceded by Romania to Hungary in 1940, under the Second Vienna Award. See the map of the Kingdom of Hungary between 1941 and 1944 on this page, which shows Cluj-Napoca (Kokozsvár) within its borders. Romania regained control of the territory with Allied assistance in 1944, and the original borders established by the 1920 Treaty of Trianon were reaffirmed by the Treaty of Paris (1947). Király-Seth ( talk) 06:55, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
Whoever keeps editing Károlyi's place of birth to Romania from the Kingdom of Hungary, please cut it out. It is well established that Cluj, along with the rest of Northern Transylvania, was under the administration of the Kingdom of Hungary from 1940 to 1944. Standard encyclopedic convention is to list a person's country of birth as the country at the time of birth, not the country today. See the Britannica page on [ Wiesenthal], for example. Király-Seth ( talk) 06:26, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
The edits keep recurring despite it being footnoted otherwise. Sources show that Bela Karolyi was born in 1942 in Kolozsvár, Hungary (Cluj-Napoca) when in WW II it was made part of Hungary before it was restored back to Romania sometime in the 1940s after WW II. --- Wikiklrsc ( talk) 15:10, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
I did the first edit, which did not change the country of birth. I changed the assertion that Cluj-Napoca has been a part of Romania ``since 1944". This statement was incorrect. As the user Király-Seth also points out, the city has been a part of Romania since 1918 or 1920, depending on how you count. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.162.162.211 ( talk) 02:11, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
YOU ARE WRONG SIR!!! Would you say the same about people born in Polish territories anexed by fascist Germany?? Transilvanya was recognized as romanian territory by two legal international treaties, but for a brief period during WWII it was under hungarian administration due to an ILLEGAL AWARD by Nazi Germany (the Second Vienna Award). These awards were not internationally recognized. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.226.188.218 ( talk) 03:05, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
Anonymous editor User:72.92.72.249 reverted an edit and wrote in the edit comment: "(Please stop adding text that implies the annexation of Transylvania by Romania was somehow a restoration of a previous situation.)". This text was in the article long before I ever edited it. I was restoring it to the current status quo. There is no incorrect implication. --- Wikiklrsc ( talk) 14:42, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
The article should mention that he graduated form the Romanian Physical Education Institute. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.226.188.218 ( talk) 02:47, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
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Please change "Kolozsvár, Hungary" to "Cluj" because the assignment of Cluj to the kingdom of Hungary gives credence to an occupation (1942-1947) of WWII that no government in the world recognizes, and which brings prejudice to the sovereignty of Romania. Equally, the city name is indicated in Hungarian language, which is not the official language of Romania, but a secondary designation of the city, in the Hungarian minority's language. As such, naming the city "Kolozsvár" instead of "Cluj" makes the Wikipedia page referring only to the Hungarian minority in Romania, and not to the whole country - this, too, brings prejudice to the sovereignty of Romania - while naming it "Cluj", in Romania's official language, refers the Wikipedia page to the whole country, including its minorities.
~~Serban Oprescu~~
After watching the documentary Athlete A, and conducting further research on the Károlyis; I am shocked to see the ledes in both this article and Márta's to be so one-sided to the point of absolute innocence and glorification without any sense of the trauma these two persons have inflicted on innocent youths. Factual representation needs to be included in both this article's lede and Márta's to better represent a NPOV. They are not angels. Maineartists ( talk) 01:21, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
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I took Carly Janiga out of the list of athletes trained by the Karolyis. I have never been able to find anything to verify this and it doesn't seem possible: Janiga was born in 1988 and would have only been eight when Karolyi stopped coaching. She would have been far too young to train with Bela and Marta. Mademoiselle Sabina 17:59, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
The article says: "He established a boarding school in Onesti..." Well, anybody who lived in those days in Romania can tell you that no individual established anything in Communist Romania in those days. (Maybe it is difficult for Westerners to believe it, but think of North Korea today. How many individuals can establish anything therenow ? It was the same in those days in Romania). The training center was established by the Romanian Gymnastics Federation, and he was hired as one of the coaches there. Eventually he became head coach. He didn't establish the center.Mycomp 02:12, 11 August 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mycomp ( talk • contribs)
I am concerned about Karolyi's "Later career" section as it is an incomplete portrayal.
Here is a yahoo sports article by AP sports writer Barry Wilner at http://sports.yahoo.com/olympics/beijing/gymnastics/news?slug=ap-gym-karolyi-ages&prov=ap&type=lgns
The article describes what has already been put into the wikipedia article, but then continues with what Bela thinks the solution should be:
"The solution, he said, is to not have any age limit. He believes if a gymnast is good enough to earn a spot at the Olympics or world championships, that athlete deserves to go. He said some juniors today are just as proficient as the age-eligble competitors. Nastia Liukin, for example, would certainly have made the squad for the Athens Games four years ago had she not been 14."
So, Bela strongly believes the Chinese are using younger girls than they say they are, but he also believes the age requirement should be abolished, as long as their gymnastics are at a proven level.
Can someone modify the article to improve this aspect? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.235.251.198 ( talk) 11:01, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
what was the justifications for taking out the controversy section(along with some of the criticism) and the semilock? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.104.246.170 ( talk) 02:20, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
also i am not sure the tone of the later careers section accurately reflects karolyi views. they tend to be selected from his less contraversial statments and are not directly quoted statments and may have been just added in the news report to make him seem more moderate
but over all i think the article is a lot better since the edits you guys made. much thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.104.246.170 ( talk) 03:37, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
I am an American Hungarian and proud of it. My Question how do you say your name. I have family with the name of Bela. It is pronounced Béla (bay la) with the "e" sounding like "a" not Bella. This is why there is an accent over the e. No disrespect Béla but when we hear it pronounced wrong we politely correct them. I have heard Béla Logosi was upset that people said it wrong. Now is your chance to tell America how to say your name correctly. We are corrected when we say José or Jésus wrong. Sallymae1 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sallymae1 ( talk • contribs) 06:47, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
There have been several edits back and forth claiming Károlyi's birth nation to be either in Hungary or in Romania. At the time of Károlyi's birth, Cluj-Napoca was a part of Hungary. The city, along with northern Transylvania, had been ceded by Romania to Hungary in 1940, under the Second Vienna Award. See the map of the Kingdom of Hungary between 1941 and 1944 on this page, which shows Cluj-Napoca (Kokozsvár) within its borders. Romania regained control of the territory with Allied assistance in 1944, and the original borders established by the 1920 Treaty of Trianon were reaffirmed by the Treaty of Paris (1947). Király-Seth ( talk) 06:55, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
Whoever keeps editing Károlyi's place of birth to Romania from the Kingdom of Hungary, please cut it out. It is well established that Cluj, along with the rest of Northern Transylvania, was under the administration of the Kingdom of Hungary from 1940 to 1944. Standard encyclopedic convention is to list a person's country of birth as the country at the time of birth, not the country today. See the Britannica page on [ Wiesenthal], for example. Király-Seth ( talk) 06:26, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
The edits keep recurring despite it being footnoted otherwise. Sources show that Bela Karolyi was born in 1942 in Kolozsvár, Hungary (Cluj-Napoca) when in WW II it was made part of Hungary before it was restored back to Romania sometime in the 1940s after WW II. --- Wikiklrsc ( talk) 15:10, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
I did the first edit, which did not change the country of birth. I changed the assertion that Cluj-Napoca has been a part of Romania ``since 1944". This statement was incorrect. As the user Király-Seth also points out, the city has been a part of Romania since 1918 or 1920, depending on how you count. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.162.162.211 ( talk) 02:11, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
YOU ARE WRONG SIR!!! Would you say the same about people born in Polish territories anexed by fascist Germany?? Transilvanya was recognized as romanian territory by two legal international treaties, but for a brief period during WWII it was under hungarian administration due to an ILLEGAL AWARD by Nazi Germany (the Second Vienna Award). These awards were not internationally recognized. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.226.188.218 ( talk) 03:05, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
Anonymous editor User:72.92.72.249 reverted an edit and wrote in the edit comment: "(Please stop adding text that implies the annexation of Transylvania by Romania was somehow a restoration of a previous situation.)". This text was in the article long before I ever edited it. I was restoring it to the current status quo. There is no incorrect implication. --- Wikiklrsc ( talk) 14:42, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
The article should mention that he graduated form the Romanian Physical Education Institute. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.226.188.218 ( talk) 02:47, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
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Please change "Kolozsvár, Hungary" to "Cluj" because the assignment of Cluj to the kingdom of Hungary gives credence to an occupation (1942-1947) of WWII that no government in the world recognizes, and which brings prejudice to the sovereignty of Romania. Equally, the city name is indicated in Hungarian language, which is not the official language of Romania, but a secondary designation of the city, in the Hungarian minority's language. As such, naming the city "Kolozsvár" instead of "Cluj" makes the Wikipedia page referring only to the Hungarian minority in Romania, and not to the whole country - this, too, brings prejudice to the sovereignty of Romania - while naming it "Cluj", in Romania's official language, refers the Wikipedia page to the whole country, including its minorities.
~~Serban Oprescu~~
After watching the documentary Athlete A, and conducting further research on the Károlyis; I am shocked to see the ledes in both this article and Márta's to be so one-sided to the point of absolute innocence and glorification without any sense of the trauma these two persons have inflicted on innocent youths. Factual representation needs to be included in both this article's lede and Márta's to better represent a NPOV. They are not angels. Maineartists ( talk) 01:21, 29 June 2020 (UTC)