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In order to be consistent with the article about Iranian Azerbaijanis, i edited the lead accordingly. All constructive remarks are welcome.---Wikaviani (talk) (contribs) 09:33, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
By the way I agree with @ Dêrsimî62:'s edit on the lead. Mention of "mixed heritage" is WP:SYNTH. Beshogur ( talk) 17:32, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
If one reliable source says A and another reliable source says B, do not join A and B together to imply a conclusionThis is exactly what it is about "mixed heritage". Beshogur ( talk) 18:54, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
I suggest to change all occurrencies of garble(d), corrupt(ed) when referring to linguistic changes. Words don’t rot or corrupt, they just change with time and/or when adapted by another language Torzsmokus ( talk) 15:55, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
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As you know, Azerbaijanis are an Oghuz Turkic ethnic group with Ancient Caucasian, Iranian and Kipchak Turkic influences. That's why I think the Category:Oghuz Turkic ethnic groups category should be added to the category section of this article. Squeaks 41 ( talk) 08:10, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
I’m suggesting a change and almost a total rewrite of the history category. When you read the history category you quickly realise this isn’t talking about the history of the Azerbaijanis but the history of the land of modern day Azerbaijan. Azerbaijan already has its own Wikipedia page where the history of the land is mentioned so also mentioning it in this page which is talking about the Azerbaijani ethnicity is wrong because the Turks of Azerbaijan didn’t enter the area until the 700-1000s. For example example mentioning the atabegs of Azerbaijan, Seljuks, the qizilbash and the role of Azerbaijanis in the Safavid, afsharid, and qajar empires would make much more sense then mentioning what people lived in the lands before, this is after all a Wikipedia page about the Azerbaijanis. Altynordu ( talk) 14:02, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
I believe @ Beshogur and @ Wikaviani can discuss the matter here. I guess the main argument of Beshogur is that the infobox can give undue weight to minority opinions, when separately mentioned. A middleway I can come up with is to revise how the sources are presented there so that there is no undue attention given. Aintabli ( talk) 22:24, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
Elling's 9,5 millions estimate is around 11%is 3-4% further from Arakelova. While most sources claim +- 20%. Beshogur ( talk) 20:32, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
many of the others are at least 10 years old, they should probably be removed as they are almost oudated for such a topicJust because Yerevan State University professor says so, we should not remove a source because it is 10 years old. These sources are 10 years old, yet mentions double the Yerevan State University professor's numbers. Beshogur ( talk) 14:32, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
I would go with Aintabili's proposal, old sources removed, Arakelova's figure kept in, more recent sources added instead of the old ones. I don't read Russian and i don't trust Russian sites either, thus, i don't care about vk.com.---Wikaviani (talk) (contribs) 09:00, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
I don't find Arakelova's numbers to be compelling. And the range of 6 to 23 million is impossible. Most sources provide the numbers of around 15-20 million. For example, Britannica provides the figure of 15 million for Iranian Azerbaijanis at the turn of 21st century, and that number is dated. [2] It should certainly rise in the last 20 years. You can see even from the infobox how many sources provide higher estimates against a single low estimate by Arakelova. It is better to stick to the range that the majority of sources provide. Grand master 17:04, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
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In order to be consistent with the article about Iranian Azerbaijanis, i edited the lead accordingly. All constructive remarks are welcome.---Wikaviani (talk) (contribs) 09:33, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
By the way I agree with @ Dêrsimî62:'s edit on the lead. Mention of "mixed heritage" is WP:SYNTH. Beshogur ( talk) 17:32, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
If one reliable source says A and another reliable source says B, do not join A and B together to imply a conclusionThis is exactly what it is about "mixed heritage". Beshogur ( talk) 18:54, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
I suggest to change all occurrencies of garble(d), corrupt(ed) when referring to linguistic changes. Words don’t rot or corrupt, they just change with time and/or when adapted by another language Torzsmokus ( talk) 15:55, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Azeri (disambiguation) which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — RMCD bot 08:02, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
As you know, Azerbaijanis are an Oghuz Turkic ethnic group with Ancient Caucasian, Iranian and Kipchak Turkic influences. That's why I think the Category:Oghuz Turkic ethnic groups category should be added to the category section of this article. Squeaks 41 ( talk) 08:10, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
I’m suggesting a change and almost a total rewrite of the history category. When you read the history category you quickly realise this isn’t talking about the history of the Azerbaijanis but the history of the land of modern day Azerbaijan. Azerbaijan already has its own Wikipedia page where the history of the land is mentioned so also mentioning it in this page which is talking about the Azerbaijani ethnicity is wrong because the Turks of Azerbaijan didn’t enter the area until the 700-1000s. For example example mentioning the atabegs of Azerbaijan, Seljuks, the qizilbash and the role of Azerbaijanis in the Safavid, afsharid, and qajar empires would make much more sense then mentioning what people lived in the lands before, this is after all a Wikipedia page about the Azerbaijanis. Altynordu ( talk) 14:02, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
I believe @ Beshogur and @ Wikaviani can discuss the matter here. I guess the main argument of Beshogur is that the infobox can give undue weight to minority opinions, when separately mentioned. A middleway I can come up with is to revise how the sources are presented there so that there is no undue attention given. Aintabli ( talk) 22:24, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
Elling's 9,5 millions estimate is around 11%is 3-4% further from Arakelova. While most sources claim +- 20%. Beshogur ( talk) 20:32, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
many of the others are at least 10 years old, they should probably be removed as they are almost oudated for such a topicJust because Yerevan State University professor says so, we should not remove a source because it is 10 years old. These sources are 10 years old, yet mentions double the Yerevan State University professor's numbers. Beshogur ( talk) 14:32, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
I would go with Aintabili's proposal, old sources removed, Arakelova's figure kept in, more recent sources added instead of the old ones. I don't read Russian and i don't trust Russian sites either, thus, i don't care about vk.com.---Wikaviani (talk) (contribs) 09:00, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
I don't find Arakelova's numbers to be compelling. And the range of 6 to 23 million is impossible. Most sources provide the numbers of around 15-20 million. For example, Britannica provides the figure of 15 million for Iranian Azerbaijanis at the turn of 21st century, and that number is dated. [2] It should certainly rise in the last 20 years. You can see even from the infobox how many sources provide higher estimates against a single low estimate by Arakelova. It is better to stick to the range that the majority of sources provide. Grand master 17:04, 19 January 2024 (UTC)