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I'm sorry if you guys cannot read French, because most of the research on Tuaregs have been made in French so far, and if you can read "Encyclopédie Berbère", there is two distinctives articles, one for the Azawad, which have ALWAYS BEEN the Malian desert, and the other one for Azawagh and Azawak, which is a more general term about the area where Tuaregs can speak "TAWELLEMET" dialect. I'm sorry if I wasn't clear enough, I'll soon provide an article on AZAWAD with crystal clear references and I hope that it won't be reverted again as I'm getting sick of it. Best regards -- BabyFoot ( talk) 15:35, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
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This article named Azaouad describes Azawagh. The differences between the two is clear : - Azawad/Azaouad refers to a geographical area (Northern-Mali), early sources from Ch.Foucauld describes this word as geographic (it includes all saharan nomads living in...) - Azawagh instead, describes the extent of ethnic Tuaregs speaking area and exlude other nomads groups. A single search on Google helps to see the differences between the two word. Azaouad content need to be moved into Azawagh. On French Wikipedia, the differences between the two is very clear. Azaouad needs to redirect to Azawad article. -- BabyFoot ( talk) 17:30, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
I've opened a discussion on this issue here to try to get it all in one place. Khazar2 ( talk) 03:00, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
I've removed the following unsourced and arguably POV material from the article, but I'd be fine with its reintroduction if it can be reliably sourced:
This article needs some pretty serious work. The one source it has that clearly refers to "Azawagh" describes Azawagh solely as a part of Niger. p. 13-14 Otherwise, it appears to be predominantly original or unsourced research, all of which was added when the article had the title of "Azaouad", which appears to be synonymous with Azawad rather than Azawagh. Honestly, I'm tempted to just cut this down to something the size of the French wiki article, while leaving in place that "See Also", which seems helpful. But even then we still have the problem of definition. Any thoughts on how to resolve this? I'll probably start chopping in 24-48 hours. Khazar2 ( talk) 17:57, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
This source focuses solely on the Azawagh basin (which is, in my opinion, the most practicable option to define Azawagh) and seems to be comprehensive and full of information in terms of geography and pre- and early history. Alas, I have some difficulties with translating geographic specialist terms from French to English (neither being my native language). So, how is your French? -- RJFF ( talk) 18:22, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
The sources seem to contradict each other. While Mr. Paris describes the basin having 420,000 sq.km, Mrs. Popenoe says that the "Azawagh region of Niger" has the size of Austria (i.e. 84,000 sq.km). Also her map displays only a part of Niger, not a cross-border region stretching into Mali and Algeria. Paris and Popenoe seem to use different definitions of Azawagh. If Mrs. Popenoe regards only a section of the Azawagh basin, we should not use the number of inhabitants according to her (or, at least, use a formulation like "Nigerien Azawagh" or "the Azawagh region of Niger"). -- RJFF ( talk) 21:25, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
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I'm sorry if you guys cannot read French, because most of the research on Tuaregs have been made in French so far, and if you can read "Encyclopédie Berbère", there is two distinctives articles, one for the Azawad, which have ALWAYS BEEN the Malian desert, and the other one for Azawagh and Azawak, which is a more general term about the area where Tuaregs can speak "TAWELLEMET" dialect. I'm sorry if I wasn't clear enough, I'll soon provide an article on AZAWAD with crystal clear references and I hope that it won't be reverted again as I'm getting sick of it. Best regards -- BabyFoot ( talk) 15:35, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
{{subst:Azaouad|Azawagh}}
This article named Azaouad describes Azawagh. The differences between the two is clear : - Azawad/Azaouad refers to a geographical area (Northern-Mali), early sources from Ch.Foucauld describes this word as geographic (it includes all saharan nomads living in...) - Azawagh instead, describes the extent of ethnic Tuaregs speaking area and exlude other nomads groups. A single search on Google helps to see the differences between the two word. Azaouad content need to be moved into Azawagh. On French Wikipedia, the differences between the two is very clear. Azaouad needs to redirect to Azawad article. -- BabyFoot ( talk) 17:30, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
I've opened a discussion on this issue here to try to get it all in one place. Khazar2 ( talk) 03:00, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
I've removed the following unsourced and arguably POV material from the article, but I'd be fine with its reintroduction if it can be reliably sourced:
This article needs some pretty serious work. The one source it has that clearly refers to "Azawagh" describes Azawagh solely as a part of Niger. p. 13-14 Otherwise, it appears to be predominantly original or unsourced research, all of which was added when the article had the title of "Azaouad", which appears to be synonymous with Azawad rather than Azawagh. Honestly, I'm tempted to just cut this down to something the size of the French wiki article, while leaving in place that "See Also", which seems helpful. But even then we still have the problem of definition. Any thoughts on how to resolve this? I'll probably start chopping in 24-48 hours. Khazar2 ( talk) 17:57, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
This source focuses solely on the Azawagh basin (which is, in my opinion, the most practicable option to define Azawagh) and seems to be comprehensive and full of information in terms of geography and pre- and early history. Alas, I have some difficulties with translating geographic specialist terms from French to English (neither being my native language). So, how is your French? -- RJFF ( talk) 18:22, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
The sources seem to contradict each other. While Mr. Paris describes the basin having 420,000 sq.km, Mrs. Popenoe says that the "Azawagh region of Niger" has the size of Austria (i.e. 84,000 sq.km). Also her map displays only a part of Niger, not a cross-border region stretching into Mali and Algeria. Paris and Popenoe seem to use different definitions of Azawagh. If Mrs. Popenoe regards only a section of the Azawagh basin, we should not use the number of inhabitants according to her (or, at least, use a formulation like "Nigerien Azawagh" or "the Azawagh region of Niger"). -- RJFF ( talk) 21:25, 3 April 2012 (UTC)