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There are a lot of general areas that don't have any proof. Some areas that don't have any verification:
Just thought these areas needed some verification, especially since there are only a total of 6 notes throughout the entire article. I just thought that seemed a little sparse. Zoke ( talk) 21:21, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
I am amazed as to how this article made no reference to Bartholomeu de Gusmão the very first man to build and travel on a hot-air device!
-- 62.169.67.134 ( talk) 03:07, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
There is common confusion between these two terms, and while sloppy usage is becoming less rare, the terms are not interchangeable. Aeronautics, (literally the study and activity of sailing the air) can encompass all forms of flight within the atmosphere, though traditionally it referred more to ballooning, due to the earlier success of balloons. Aviation (French, from Latin avis, bird) really refers to winged flight, which includes heavier-than-air craft, but not balloons or airships. As heavier-than-air craft have become the dominant forms of flight in recent decades, the use of the term aviation has gained in popularity, but largely in activities where lighter-than-air vehicles were simply overlooked. If the intent of this article is to include all forms of aerial transportation, then the article should be titled "Aeronautics", with a clarifying section on the term "aviation", and perhaps "aerospace" as well. Globalmindcollective ( talk) 22:06, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
English is West-Germanic Langauage that is developed in England and South-Westernic during Anglo-Saxno era. English is an International language and it is one the most popular languavge —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.68.66.252 ( talk) 02:41, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
If one looks at the section about non-lethal_shells where shells for example can be used to distribute propaganda leaflets, it becomes obvious that this is a form of air transportation. The question is just whether this should be included into the section about aviation. Modern artillery shells do have wings and sometimes an internal rocket. There is an example of such a shell here.-- hulagutten ( talk) 12:34, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
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I heard that the new name for Weber Aircraft is Zodiac Seats US LLC. Is this true?
Can someone mention Gustav Weißkopf at the history section ? See here KVDP ( talk) 07:49, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
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I propose that Aeronautics be merged into Aviation. There is much duplication between the content of these articles and there appears to be no universally accepted distinction between them.
Here are some dictionary definitions (culled from an initial discussion here):
Several show a general distinction between aeronautics as the science of aircraft flight vs. aviation as the practice, though Oxford sees aeronautics as covering both while Merriam-Webster thinks aeronauts are confined to balloons and airships, and Crane curiously sees aviation as embracing the "science" of operations. Wragg's definition confines aviation to heavier-than air, yet in direct contradiction to this his historical dictionary of "aviation" covers aerostats as well. Generally there is also a vagueness about whether one can "fly" in an aerostat or whether say an engine-powered airship is a "machine". From an encyclopedic point of view this whole semantic muddle suggests to me that there is no sense in treating them as separate topics. The rest of the world seems happy to use both indiscriminately, with "Aviation" the more widely used of the two (a quick hit count on Google suggests around ten times more). — Cheers, Steelpillow ( Talk) 13:04, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
Several of the above comments express the view that aeronautics is the science while aviation is the practice. Yet an aeronaut is universally defined as someone who practices flying. For example being an aeronautical engineer does not make one an aeronaut. Also, the current lead to the aeronautics article stresses the practical aspect, "While the term—literally meaning "sailing the air"—originally referred solely to the science of operating the aircraft, it has since been expanded to include technology, business and other aspects related to aircraft." How can these expressed opinions be reconciled with such a universal usage of "aeronaut"? — Cheers, Steelpillow ( Talk) 13:19, 24 December 2013 (UTC) [Updated 13:29, 24 December 2013 (UTC)]
So - I am proposing that we accept that aeronauts do practice flying. — Cheers, Steelpillow ( Talk) 14:05, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
Several of the above comments express the view that aeronautics is the science while aviation is the practice. Yet the definition of aeronautics as "the science or art of flying" is widely used. The term " Aeronautical science" is also widely used - around four times as many Google hits as "aeronautics." Firstly, this begs the question, what are the other aspects of aeronautics besides the science? Presumably, that must be the art or practice. Secondly, it suggests that the correct article for a discussion of the science would be Aeronautical science, currently a redirect to aeronautics. How can these expressed opinions, that aeronautics is only the science, be reconciled with such a universal usage of "art" vs. "aeronautical science"? — Cheers, Steelpillow ( Talk) 14:05, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
So - I am proposing that we do accept that aeronautics includes the "art" or practice of flying. — Cheers, Steelpillow ( Talk) 14:05, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
Since it seems like the sources are out on the meaning of aviation versus aeronautics and therefore consensus here seems unlikely, I propose that we change aeronautics article to Aeronautical science and keep aviation as is. A redirect from aeronautics to aeronautical science and in the lead define aeronautical science and then briefly say that meaning of aeronautics can either mean aeronautical science or aviation. This would provide a clear distinction between aeronautics and aviation that seems murky. XFEM Skier ( talk) 19:41, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
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There are a lot of general areas that don't have any proof. Some areas that don't have any verification:
Just thought these areas needed some verification, especially since there are only a total of 6 notes throughout the entire article. I just thought that seemed a little sparse. Zoke ( talk) 21:21, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
I am amazed as to how this article made no reference to Bartholomeu de Gusmão the very first man to build and travel on a hot-air device!
-- 62.169.67.134 ( talk) 03:07, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
There is common confusion between these two terms, and while sloppy usage is becoming less rare, the terms are not interchangeable. Aeronautics, (literally the study and activity of sailing the air) can encompass all forms of flight within the atmosphere, though traditionally it referred more to ballooning, due to the earlier success of balloons. Aviation (French, from Latin avis, bird) really refers to winged flight, which includes heavier-than-air craft, but not balloons or airships. As heavier-than-air craft have become the dominant forms of flight in recent decades, the use of the term aviation has gained in popularity, but largely in activities where lighter-than-air vehicles were simply overlooked. If the intent of this article is to include all forms of aerial transportation, then the article should be titled "Aeronautics", with a clarifying section on the term "aviation", and perhaps "aerospace" as well. Globalmindcollective ( talk) 22:06, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
English is West-Germanic Langauage that is developed in England and South-Westernic during Anglo-Saxno era. English is an International language and it is one the most popular languavge —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.68.66.252 ( talk) 02:41, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
If one looks at the section about non-lethal_shells where shells for example can be used to distribute propaganda leaflets, it becomes obvious that this is a form of air transportation. The question is just whether this should be included into the section about aviation. Modern artillery shells do have wings and sometimes an internal rocket. There is an example of such a shell here.-- hulagutten ( talk) 12:34, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
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I heard that the new name for Weber Aircraft is Zodiac Seats US LLC. Is this true?
Can someone mention Gustav Weißkopf at the history section ? See here KVDP ( talk) 07:49, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
You are invited to join in a discussion at
Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Aviation#Aeronautics_vs._aviation — Cheers,
Steelpillow (
Talk)
11:39, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
I propose that Aeronautics be merged into Aviation. There is much duplication between the content of these articles and there appears to be no universally accepted distinction between them.
Here are some dictionary definitions (culled from an initial discussion here):
Several show a general distinction between aeronautics as the science of aircraft flight vs. aviation as the practice, though Oxford sees aeronautics as covering both while Merriam-Webster thinks aeronauts are confined to balloons and airships, and Crane curiously sees aviation as embracing the "science" of operations. Wragg's definition confines aviation to heavier-than air, yet in direct contradiction to this his historical dictionary of "aviation" covers aerostats as well. Generally there is also a vagueness about whether one can "fly" in an aerostat or whether say an engine-powered airship is a "machine". From an encyclopedic point of view this whole semantic muddle suggests to me that there is no sense in treating them as separate topics. The rest of the world seems happy to use both indiscriminately, with "Aviation" the more widely used of the two (a quick hit count on Google suggests around ten times more). — Cheers, Steelpillow ( Talk) 13:04, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
Several of the above comments express the view that aeronautics is the science while aviation is the practice. Yet an aeronaut is universally defined as someone who practices flying. For example being an aeronautical engineer does not make one an aeronaut. Also, the current lead to the aeronautics article stresses the practical aspect, "While the term—literally meaning "sailing the air"—originally referred solely to the science of operating the aircraft, it has since been expanded to include technology, business and other aspects related to aircraft." How can these expressed opinions be reconciled with such a universal usage of "aeronaut"? — Cheers, Steelpillow ( Talk) 13:19, 24 December 2013 (UTC) [Updated 13:29, 24 December 2013 (UTC)]
So - I am proposing that we accept that aeronauts do practice flying. — Cheers, Steelpillow ( Talk) 14:05, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
Several of the above comments express the view that aeronautics is the science while aviation is the practice. Yet the definition of aeronautics as "the science or art of flying" is widely used. The term " Aeronautical science" is also widely used - around four times as many Google hits as "aeronautics." Firstly, this begs the question, what are the other aspects of aeronautics besides the science? Presumably, that must be the art or practice. Secondly, it suggests that the correct article for a discussion of the science would be Aeronautical science, currently a redirect to aeronautics. How can these expressed opinions, that aeronautics is only the science, be reconciled with such a universal usage of "art" vs. "aeronautical science"? — Cheers, Steelpillow ( Talk) 14:05, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
So - I am proposing that we do accept that aeronautics includes the "art" or practice of flying. — Cheers, Steelpillow ( Talk) 14:05, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
Since it seems like the sources are out on the meaning of aviation versus aeronautics and therefore consensus here seems unlikely, I propose that we change aeronautics article to Aeronautical science and keep aviation as is. A redirect from aeronautics to aeronautical science and in the lead define aeronautical science and then briefly say that meaning of aeronautics can either mean aeronautical science or aviation. This would provide a clear distinction between aeronautics and aviation that seems murky. XFEM Skier ( talk) 19:41, 26 December 2013 (UTC)