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I have deleted the critics section of the entry, as there were two useless links. The first was to a Haaretz article in Hebrew, which is not acceptable for an English language encyclopedia. The second was to a (very offensive) blog, which is not a credible source. If someone wants to create a critics section, I suggest they find serious criticisms of Professor Shlaim's view by serious historians, academics or journalists. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.111.194.10 ( talk) 04:10, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
I did the same, as it showed up again, however only with the link to the Heaaretz article in Hebrew. dynam001 ( talk) 17:31, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
In the Post-Zionism article someone has listed Avi Shlaim as a post-Zionist. There was no source listed. There is now a category for post zionists here Category:Post-Zionists. If someone finds a source for this, can you please add the category and describe him as such in the body of the article? Thanks. -- Deodar 14:41, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
There should be a discussion about Shlaim's Guardian articles which appear to be anti-zionist or anti-semite. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.35.58.145 ( talk) 17:45, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
Yes we know the Nation says it, but why is it on this page is if it is the absolute 100% truth that he is? What is "widely regarded?" The Nation is an obviously biased leftwing magazine with Palestinian sympathies. I don't see why it can't just say "The Nation says __________" when there is no proof that he actually is definitively "widely regarded." Tallicfan20 ( talk) 20:08, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
Again, another source that is used to call him "leading scholar" is Democracy Now. of course they are gonna say that. They are a leftist group, and that is a fact, not a smear. I agree with LoverOfTheRussianQueen. This violates NPOV because it tells the reader something as if it is fact, coming from a far less than neutral source. And it is agenda pushing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tallicfan20 ( talk • contribs) 09:39, 12 August 2009
Notice 6 sources say he's a "leading 'new historian'" 2 say he's a "world leading." 6 beats 2. And these are more NPOV sources. Tallicfan20 ( talk) 14:45, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
Roland, can you explain how describing Shlaim as a leading New historian, as supported by half a dozen references, which you yourself have provided, is "stigmatizing" him? LoverOfTheRussianQueen ( talk) 16:10, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Obviously, if he chose the Balfour Declaration for what he has it will (nad has) receive noteworthy critique. One of Israel's mainstream newspapers seems adequate sourcing for this clearly noteworhty issue. Jaakobou Chalk Talk 10:43, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
Anyone of the editors (CJCurrie, RolandR, Zero0000) is interested in backing up their assertion that Israel Hayom is not a legitimate newspaper? I know that Shlaim is important to some of you, but I just don't see where this reaction is coming from. Discuss, don't edit-war. Please. Jaakobou Chalk Talk 04:27, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
As far as I can see, with the exception of the first paragraph, the Criticism section does not actually contain criticisms of the subject that are attributed to reliable sources. Instead, it seems to contain information which the editors themselves have found by studying other literature in the field and which contradicts assertions made by Schlaim. The initiative to use these contradictions to "criticize" Schlaim would seem to be the editor's own (unless they have simply failed to attribute it in a clear way). In other words, the only attributed thing is the claims themselves, but the "criticism" is the editor's own, which makes it original research ( WP:NOR). Sourced criticism would have to involve, at the very least, a source explicitly addressing and naming Schlaim as the author of the claim being disputed; even then I'm inclined to think that such things should be placed in the "criticism" section of an article about an event, fact or position, not in the criticism section of an article about a person that has said something about it. Otherwise, there would be no end to potential "criticisms": Aristotle wrote that the octopus is a stupid animal, but I, editor X, can find a biologist that says the octopus is unusually intelligent, and so I may include that in the article about Aristotle; Bill O'Reilly said this or that on this or that date, but editor X can find some reliable source that says the opposite, so I include it in the article about him; etc., etc.. Rather, for something to qualify as sourced criticism of an author, the cited source should contain an explicit attempt to assess the person being criticized or at least of a major part of his work. -- 91.148.130.233 ( talk) 14:40, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
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I have deleted the critics section of the entry, as there were two useless links. The first was to a Haaretz article in Hebrew, which is not acceptable for an English language encyclopedia. The second was to a (very offensive) blog, which is not a credible source. If someone wants to create a critics section, I suggest they find serious criticisms of Professor Shlaim's view by serious historians, academics or journalists. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.111.194.10 ( talk) 04:10, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
I did the same, as it showed up again, however only with the link to the Heaaretz article in Hebrew. dynam001 ( talk) 17:31, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
In the Post-Zionism article someone has listed Avi Shlaim as a post-Zionist. There was no source listed. There is now a category for post zionists here Category:Post-Zionists. If someone finds a source for this, can you please add the category and describe him as such in the body of the article? Thanks. -- Deodar 14:41, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
There should be a discussion about Shlaim's Guardian articles which appear to be anti-zionist or anti-semite. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.35.58.145 ( talk) 17:45, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
Yes we know the Nation says it, but why is it on this page is if it is the absolute 100% truth that he is? What is "widely regarded?" The Nation is an obviously biased leftwing magazine with Palestinian sympathies. I don't see why it can't just say "The Nation says __________" when there is no proof that he actually is definitively "widely regarded." Tallicfan20 ( talk) 20:08, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
Again, another source that is used to call him "leading scholar" is Democracy Now. of course they are gonna say that. They are a leftist group, and that is a fact, not a smear. I agree with LoverOfTheRussianQueen. This violates NPOV because it tells the reader something as if it is fact, coming from a far less than neutral source. And it is agenda pushing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tallicfan20 ( talk • contribs) 09:39, 12 August 2009
Notice 6 sources say he's a "leading 'new historian'" 2 say he's a "world leading." 6 beats 2. And these are more NPOV sources. Tallicfan20 ( talk) 14:45, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
Roland, can you explain how describing Shlaim as a leading New historian, as supported by half a dozen references, which you yourself have provided, is "stigmatizing" him? LoverOfTheRussianQueen ( talk) 16:10, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Obviously, if he chose the Balfour Declaration for what he has it will (nad has) receive noteworthy critique. One of Israel's mainstream newspapers seems adequate sourcing for this clearly noteworhty issue. Jaakobou Chalk Talk 10:43, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
Anyone of the editors (CJCurrie, RolandR, Zero0000) is interested in backing up their assertion that Israel Hayom is not a legitimate newspaper? I know that Shlaim is important to some of you, but I just don't see where this reaction is coming from. Discuss, don't edit-war. Please. Jaakobou Chalk Talk 04:27, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
As far as I can see, with the exception of the first paragraph, the Criticism section does not actually contain criticisms of the subject that are attributed to reliable sources. Instead, it seems to contain information which the editors themselves have found by studying other literature in the field and which contradicts assertions made by Schlaim. The initiative to use these contradictions to "criticize" Schlaim would seem to be the editor's own (unless they have simply failed to attribute it in a clear way). In other words, the only attributed thing is the claims themselves, but the "criticism" is the editor's own, which makes it original research ( WP:NOR). Sourced criticism would have to involve, at the very least, a source explicitly addressing and naming Schlaim as the author of the claim being disputed; even then I'm inclined to think that such things should be placed in the "criticism" section of an article about an event, fact or position, not in the criticism section of an article about a person that has said something about it. Otherwise, there would be no end to potential "criticisms": Aristotle wrote that the octopus is a stupid animal, but I, editor X, can find a biologist that says the octopus is unusually intelligent, and so I may include that in the article about Aristotle; Bill O'Reilly said this or that on this or that date, but editor X can find some reliable source that says the opposite, so I include it in the article about him; etc., etc.. Rather, for something to qualify as sourced criticism of an author, the cited source should contain an explicit attempt to assess the person being criticized or at least of a major part of his work. -- 91.148.130.233 ( talk) 14:40, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
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