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a suggestion dont forget all the different kinds of avatars for every game u know like in ultima 4 or 5 ( I dont remember) he was just some kid that got sucked into the realm....
The Virtues were not from religious sources. I own the Official Book of Ultima, second addition, where Richard Garriott explained how it came about. The three principles the virtues are based on come from The Wizard of Oz. The Cowardly Lion sought courage, the Scarecrow sought truth/knowledge/intelligence(all the same in the Ultima games stats), and the Tin made sought a heart/love. And you only had the virtues from Ultima 4 onward, that the first game where any NPC you killed, stayed dead, you previously just having to exit town then return to get them back. Dream Focus 01:19, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to satisfy the inclusion criteria for a stand-alone article.
The virtue system has received plenty of coverage ever since Ultima 4 came out. The Avatar is a key part of that. There are 8,170,000 results when I Google for "Avatar" and "Ultima" together. Eight million! He is mentioned not just in reviews of the Ultima games, manga, and anime, but also as a notable character on his own. Dream Focus 19:59, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
I used Google scholarly search for the words "Avatar" and "Ultima" and then eliminated all the ones about Ultima Onilne. [1] Probably some good ones that mention Ultima Online as well, but I thought the results looked better without it. I added one reference to a publication on the study of the Avatar and his path. Dream Focus 19:51, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
Consensus was against merging. The guy trying to put a redirect here, was the one who sent it to AFD, it closing as Keep. Dream Focus 17:34, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
Yes, the article's lead does not adequately summarize key points of its contents. (The lead should be able to stand alone as a concise overview. It should define the topic, establish context, explain why the topic is notable, and summarize the most important points.) Just as the template reads (PROTIP: actually read the improvement templates and also Wikipedia MOS in general). And welome to Wikipedia. If you think any improvement template "junks up" an article, consider fixing the issue(s) in question so you can then remove them one you're done. -- Niemti ( talk) 17:02, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
What you need to do in this particular case:
The lead section should briefly summarize the most important points covered in an article in such a way that it can stand on its own as a concise version of the article. The reason for a topic's noteworthiness should be established, or at least introduced, in the lead (but not by using "peacock terms" such as "acclaimed" or "award-winning"). It is even more important here than in the rest of the article that the text be accessible. Consideration should be given to creating interest in the article. This allows editors to avoid lengthy paragraphs and over-specific descriptions, since greater detail is saved for the body of the article.
Which is what you would learn if you ever bothered to click on the template's link to the relevant part of MOS, instead of asking for anyone's "opinions" (it's not a matter of opinion). -- Niemti ( talk) 17:12, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
And how to do this? For example. -- Niemti ( talk) 17:19, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
And if you think these tag are "useless", go and nominate them both for deletion. Btw: the article is rated only C-class probably for these very reasons. And if you still don't feel "encouraged" to fix these issues, it's not my problem - you'll need to learn to live with these tags until someone else improves the article. -- Niemti ( talk) 17:33, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
Most video game articles, I predict, won't get past "C" class. I, for one, would love to see each and every Ultima-related article be featured someday. Scottman 01 ( talk) 21:38, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
The Avatar wasn't really the stranger until Ultima V.
http://www.atarimania.com/st/boxes/hi_res/ultima_v_-_warriors_of_destiny_origin_systems_i_5.jpg
As opposed to the Ultima IV manual:
http://c64sets.com/details_db.html?id=3153
In ultima IV it actually comes across as multiple different people rising up to fight evil. I understand the ret-conning that took place, but it's slightly inaccurate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.83.213.154 ( talk) 15:15, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
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a suggestion dont forget all the different kinds of avatars for every game u know like in ultima 4 or 5 ( I dont remember) he was just some kid that got sucked into the realm....
The Virtues were not from religious sources. I own the Official Book of Ultima, second addition, where Richard Garriott explained how it came about. The three principles the virtues are based on come from The Wizard of Oz. The Cowardly Lion sought courage, the Scarecrow sought truth/knowledge/intelligence(all the same in the Ultima games stats), and the Tin made sought a heart/love. And you only had the virtues from Ultima 4 onward, that the first game where any NPC you killed, stayed dead, you previously just having to exit town then return to get them back. Dream Focus 01:19, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to satisfy the inclusion criteria for a stand-alone article.
The virtue system has received plenty of coverage ever since Ultima 4 came out. The Avatar is a key part of that. There are 8,170,000 results when I Google for "Avatar" and "Ultima" together. Eight million! He is mentioned not just in reviews of the Ultima games, manga, and anime, but also as a notable character on his own. Dream Focus 19:59, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
I used Google scholarly search for the words "Avatar" and "Ultima" and then eliminated all the ones about Ultima Onilne. [1] Probably some good ones that mention Ultima Online as well, but I thought the results looked better without it. I added one reference to a publication on the study of the Avatar and his path. Dream Focus 19:51, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
Consensus was against merging. The guy trying to put a redirect here, was the one who sent it to AFD, it closing as Keep. Dream Focus 17:34, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
Yes, the article's lead does not adequately summarize key points of its contents. (The lead should be able to stand alone as a concise overview. It should define the topic, establish context, explain why the topic is notable, and summarize the most important points.) Just as the template reads (PROTIP: actually read the improvement templates and also Wikipedia MOS in general). And welome to Wikipedia. If you think any improvement template "junks up" an article, consider fixing the issue(s) in question so you can then remove them one you're done. -- Niemti ( talk) 17:02, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
What you need to do in this particular case:
The lead section should briefly summarize the most important points covered in an article in such a way that it can stand on its own as a concise version of the article. The reason for a topic's noteworthiness should be established, or at least introduced, in the lead (but not by using "peacock terms" such as "acclaimed" or "award-winning"). It is even more important here than in the rest of the article that the text be accessible. Consideration should be given to creating interest in the article. This allows editors to avoid lengthy paragraphs and over-specific descriptions, since greater detail is saved for the body of the article.
Which is what you would learn if you ever bothered to click on the template's link to the relevant part of MOS, instead of asking for anyone's "opinions" (it's not a matter of opinion). -- Niemti ( talk) 17:12, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
And how to do this? For example. -- Niemti ( talk) 17:19, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
And if you think these tag are "useless", go and nominate them both for deletion. Btw: the article is rated only C-class probably for these very reasons. And if you still don't feel "encouraged" to fix these issues, it's not my problem - you'll need to learn to live with these tags until someone else improves the article. -- Niemti ( talk) 17:33, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
Most video game articles, I predict, won't get past "C" class. I, for one, would love to see each and every Ultima-related article be featured someday. Scottman 01 ( talk) 21:38, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
The Avatar wasn't really the stranger until Ultima V.
http://www.atarimania.com/st/boxes/hi_res/ultima_v_-_warriors_of_destiny_origin_systems_i_5.jpg
As opposed to the Ultima IV manual:
http://c64sets.com/details_db.html?id=3153
In ultima IV it actually comes across as multiple different people rising up to fight evil. I understand the ret-conning that took place, but it's slightly inaccurate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.83.213.154 ( talk) 15:15, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
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